The quest to finish a pure haze in the north.

[Kiefer]

What do the experts think about vegging long flowering plants under 20+ hours of light, inducing flowering, then moving them outside after the solstice? That would give aproximatly 4 months to finish safely, if the stains would continue to flower. What is the general opinion on this? Am i overlooking anything? If they get good light, and a lot of room, can I get beautiful, huge, exotic buds that wouldnt normally finish? Would they revege no matter what because of the long days? I'm about 43 N in the NE united states..

The longest day, June 21, would include this much light, and decrease slightly every day thereafter:

Begin civil twilight 4:48 a.m.
Sunrise 5:23 a.m.
Sun transit 1:02 p.m.
Sunset 8:41 p.m.
End civil twilight 9:16 p.m.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

 

[Closet Funk]

It might be possible if you started flowering her indoors for a month or so. Then put outside and it should still flower. I'm not sure though. I heard Sativas are hard to finish up north.

 

[glock23]

The problem with some long flowering sativas is that they prefer 11 hours of light and 13 hours of darkness. There's a chance they would revert to vegging under 14 hours of light. If you cover and uncover them religiously, there's no reason why you can't do it outside. Do you have the commitment to bring em in / cover them at the same exact time every day?

 

[guest123]

What do the experts think about vegging long flowering plants under 20+ hours of light, inducing flowering, then moving them outside after the solstice? That would give aproximatly 4 months to finish safely, if the stains would continue to flower. What is the general opinion on this? Am i overlooking anything? If they get good light, and a lot of room, can I get beautiful, huge, exotic buds that wouldnt normally finish? Would they revege no matter what because of the long days? I'm about 43 N in the NE united states..

The longest day, June 21, would include this much light, and decrease slightly every day thereafter:

Begin civil twilight 4:48 a.m.
Sunrise 5:23 a.m.
Sun transit 1:02 p.m.
Sunset 8:41 p.m.
End civil twilight 9:16 p.m.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

nice idea , but you are probably better to make a hothouse to finish the plants in ..
i t will not work trying to induce flowering and then moving to 15 hrs of light outdoors , they will reveg .. no doubt ...

 

[Kiefer]

The problem with some long flowering sativas is that they prefer 11 hours of light and 13 hours of darkness. There's a chance they would revert to vegging under 14 hours of light. If you cover and uncover them religiously, there's no reason why you can't do it outside. Do you have the commitment to bring em in / cover them at the same exact time every day?

It wouldnt be about my level of commitment, that'd just be impossible as they would be someplace far from my house. Sativas require more dark than indicas?

nice idea , but you are probably better to make a hothouse to finish the plants in ..
i t will not work trying to induce flowering and then moving to 15 hrs of light outdoors , they will reveg .. no doubt ...

That sucks, I suppose I cant really ask for more of an expert opinion than yours.. What is a hot house exactly? I was thinking of tyring sativas that get mighty tall.. I've seen a thread where a guy keeps his afghani or somethin under 24 hours of constant light, and they basically autoflower whenever put outside with less than 20 hours.. Is this a rare anomoly for his strain? How early do you suppose I could put the flowering sativa out without fear of revegging? Would it be practical, or would the sativas be like 6 feet tall and very hard to move by the time they could be put outside and finish? Sorry for babbling.

 

[guest123]

yes they do get large ,, and with extra veg time they could be very large , the reason for the greenhouse is to extend your warm days a bit longer till the plant is ready to fully flower , it will be cold where u live by then .. and the sativa will not like it very much for maturing ...
yes i saw that thread on afghani too , maybe u should try a strain like that where u live ....

 

[guest123]

kiefer , why not try them without veging indoors and see what happens , ive seen sativas mature at 40 degrees south , quite well , u might get lucky wiht a nice long summer , never know your luck ..

 

[Kiefer]

yes they do get large ,, and with extra veg time they could be very large , the reason for the greenhouse is to extend your warm days a bit longer till the plant is ready to fully flower , it will be cold where u live by then .. and the sativa will not like it very much for maturing ...
yes i saw that thread on afghani too , maybe u should try a strain like that where u live ....

I have many strains that work well outdoors for me, I just really love those long flowering sativas, and its a rare and expensive treat to come across.. What do you suppose aside from the constant light is in the afghani that triggers the flower at such high light outdoors? Do indicas flower ealier?.. I can grow them indoors, and thats my main plan for my more exotic genes, but I think it'd be awesome if there were a way to finish some monster sativas outdoors.. the potential drives me..

kiefer , why not try them without veging indoors and see what happens , ive seen sativas mature at 40 degrees south , quite well , u might get lucky wiht a nice long summer , never know your luck ..

How similar is 40S to 40N? I'm closer to 43N/44N, and im sort of elevated (aprox 1300 feet give or a take a couple hundred depending on spots) This pushes my flower date back to about mid october.. I have seen years that would allow harvest as late as mid november.. but that is quite rare, and not worth counting on(well maybe a few would be worth a try, but i've also seen a light snow as early as october..).. But pleanty of my plants still havent started to flower yet, so if the haze or whatever sativa was a particularly late flowering strain.. I dont think they would have much of a chance to develope..

Very grateful for your expert perspective, Mr. duck.

 

[Chamba]

start them now in small starter pots for two weeks (is enough vegging time for sativas), then grow and flower them in 2 or 3 gallon pots......restricting root space is one way to help them trigger into flowering mode.....reduce N to a minimum after the first month or so of flowering....make sure there are no street, garden or house light shining on your plants at night..and make sure the plants are blocked off from the lingering (ambient) sunlight of sunset and sunrise ...place them in a place that gets good sun between 10 and 4 ( when the sun is at it's most powerful)

..if you are able to do this each day for a month, work out when your area will have 12.5 hours light per day (approx mid Sept-ish @ 45 Lat Nth) then for 30 days prior to that (about mid-August) place your sativas in a dark room every night so they only get 12 hours of light per day....as they will only be 2 ~ 6 weeks old they won't be so heavy or large..after a month of manually controlling the photoperiod leave them outdoors until finishing..this 30 days of 12 hours darkness, combined with root restriction will help them finish a little earlier - how much earlier depends on the strain - I hope it goes well for you!..the trouble is some sativas are only partially photoperiod responsive and rely partly on age/maturity to instigate their flowering response or "trigger"..some are more photoperiod responsive and less reliant on how old they are.

and of course, don't put all your eggs in one basket, so start a few varieties, including a few sativas that might not finish before the ice and a few indi's that will!

 

[Chamba]

with a bit of luck you will be able to have plants outdoors until late October...but being in small pots you can easily bring them indoors on bad days and back outside when the sun returns!

big plants in small pots are top heavy and tend to get blown over easily so make sure they are stable in case of strong winds ...also big plants/small pots tend to dry out more frequently and during dry hot days can dehydrate, so make sure to keep the water up to them....sativas take longer to flower, so need N during flowering more so than 7 or 8 week hybrids so guesstimating 100 days of flowering, make sure to feed them equal amounts of N, P and K for first 50 or 60 days, then gradually ease up on the N after that....just watch your plants and feed them as they require it!

I'd also recommend not tipping or cutting the plant back..as this can set them back ...anticipate that sats will grow tall (3 ~ 7 feet ??)even in 2 or 3 gallons pots, so stake them with 3 or 4 foot stakes when they go onto the flowering pots...a good way to grow them is horizontally..sats like going sideways!

keep us informed


btw what sativas are you growing?

 

[Chamba]

btw what sativas are you growing?

ahhh-so ...i just noticed "PURE HAZE"

many growers recommend starting hazes on 12/12...I don't..I used to like to start my Thais, Zamal and Hazes with about 14 ~ 20 days of 24 hours from germination so they get to a decent size then plant out ..but this was mainly because I used to plant in the bush and plants smaller than two weeks were easy prey for insects, grass eaters and storms whereas larger plants could weather a storm or grasshopper attack

 

[supermanlives]

never tried a haze. but have tried sativas from mexico. they had to be moved into a greenhouse. i will try again someday.

 

[glock23]

im lucky to live in a tropical climate. here are some pure indian sativas from seeds i personally took home from india. some of them took over 5 months from preflowers to finish...add a several month veg period to that...the wilted looking plant in this pic was 11 feet and bent over under its own weight...unfortunately, it died soon after. overferting. it was about 8 months old.

they were really leggy. im doing indica hybrids this year... ak 48, white rhino and durga mata. after the 1 lb+ harvest i had earlier this year, i want some indica...

 

[sm0kateer4204]

heh, if i had a pound of sativa i would probably want some indica as well. nice plant man. now on to you finishing sativa's. pick a strain right for you. im sure you could finish a 10 week strain no problem.

 

[glock23]

I have some Sensi Seeds Jamaican Pearl...from what I hear, it's a very hazy plant but it WILL finish for you...it's not a PURE haze though.

 

[Kiefer]

Thanks a lot fellas, i've posted this question in a couple of other places, but have gotten some very expert and helpful advice from this thread in particular. i'm kinda accepting it wont be possible the way I wanted.. Takin them in at when it starts to get too cold seems extremly difficult, as im sure they'll get unmanigably big outside, even in buckets.. It may make more sense to start them flowering indoors, I was told that keeping the root space restricted might also help trigger flowering (Thanks Chamba).. but then maybe I could time it so that when I put them out, they'll have been flowering long enough, and it will be late enough in the season to finish.. sort of like what was suggested ;-).. but i think it'd be better to try and move them outside when they were smaller.. I mean, I will be doing indoor grows in addition, its not like it would be impossible for me to just grow indoors, but the potential, both in terms of quality of high, and yeild, (but mostly quality) drive me to figure something out.. I absolutly love the haze taste, and there are a few other sativas that have that unique flavor and high that makes it different from any other herb (would like to try some of wally's genes too, after seeing how helpful and knowldegable he is). I guess just inducing flowering, and maybe trying to build a greenhouse would be my best (or only) hope. Thanks for the insights.

 

[guest123]

hey kiefer , let us know what u finally end up deciding on and how it goes , maybe a haze cross is more your kettle of fish where u hail from .. brrr , just the thought of snow makes me shiver ...

 

[Kiefer]

I have some Sensi Seeds Jamaican Pearl...from what I hear, it's a very hazy plant but it WILL finish for you...it's not a PURE haze though.

A good friend of mine grew this very variety out last year.. I did an early pearl and early skunk (sensi) grow the same year.. Though they all will finish (ES the latest), I didnt detect any haze taste in any. My early pearls/skunks were surprsingly indica, too.

hey kiefer , let us know what u finally end up deciding on and how it goes , maybe a haze cross is more your kettle of fish where u hail from .. brrr , just the thought of snow makes me shiver ...

Yeah, I think I will have to find the right cross.. now just gotta figure out which I have Wonder Haze from Rez.. thats supposed to be a relativly short hazey variety.. perhaps it could finish.. i'd almost bet on it with a greenhouse. Thanks for the support wallyduck, you are very gracious as a resource. What of your wonderful genetics (i've been browsing your vendor forum) would you suggest for my quest?

 

[glock23]

Thanks for the info Kief...were the Sensi strains good smoke?

I can do an original haze here...I might do TFDs...Can't really afford any beans right now. I still have quite a few to work through in the meantime...Hawaiian Sativa, Sour Mist and Celestial Temple Sativa are possibilities for my winter crop...

Started some Durga Mata a few days ago...2/2 germination (sowed directly in peat/perlite). I have high hopes for this strain...

 

[Kiefer]

The sensi genes grew really strong and hearty.. I was a lil surprised, because i seemed to get more indica leaning plants, even though they were advertised as mostly sativa.. Good smoke though, the buds were a bit leafy, but pungint, and pretty frosty. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures next time im home. You are very lucky to be able to grow such a variety of genes.. You will definetly end up with a more complete head stash than your truely, I might have to settle for the crosses.. anyways, good luck with your grows brothers