The Persuader

[OG Redwood]

I grow in a homicide riddled slum in the east bay of california. Recently theres been a large increase in home invasions, especially targeted at marijuana cultivators. And so, today, i sank 300 into a Mossberg 500 Persuader. It's pretty lame that I have to wait 11 days until i receive my 12 ga. beast of a gun, because i'm bristling with excitement for the day i first get to take it to the range.

The gun i got is the bare essential model with the regular stock, and is made for home defense. I was wondering if any of you own this gun, and what experiences you've had with it. Furthermore, did you buy any add-ons for your gun, such as an attachable light? I was thinking one of those might be useful for moving around with the gun in the dark, but then again i know next to nothing about guns as this is my first. While I will be taking it to the range, I bought this gun primarily for home defense and so i was wondering if i should buy buckshot or slugs for it?

edit: crap, i cant post links...i found some great info on them for those who know nothing about the gun i bought...

 

[smellthefunk420]

I know talking about growing + guns in the same, is definetly not a good thing! but see what folks say

should be fun when u take it to the range.. i've shot some legal 9mms, .45 and 12 guages ect.. just learn to do it saftley and have all your permits. and i think charges are a lot more harsh if you get caught growing with weapons

 

[ToKEN]

I grow in a homicide riddled slum in the east bay of california. Recently theres been a large increase in home invasions, especially targeted at marijuana cultivators..

keep your mouth shut and you wont have to worry about such things...

 

[MedResearcher]

Bad move in my opinion.

First off if you get caught with the gun and the grow your probably gonna do Pen time, and your gonna get more then in house invaded in the pen.

Second off, if you do get in house invaded what is the 12 guage gonna do.

Profesional thieves of that type wear bullet proof vests and teflon masks, and they dont work alone. Even if you pump a slug or spray some buck shot into one of them the other is gonna kill you.

If there amateurs you might just scare the trigger happy one into blasting you, or you might end up killing them. Headlines read, "Og Redwood kills 3 protecting his drug lab...."

Third off, gun fights in urban areas usually kill innocent people. What if they shoot and it goes through a couple walls and lands in a 5 year old girl........ Would that be worth protecting your little trees?

This is all just my opinion, if your getting in house invaded you already messed up somehow. Give them what they want, don't get mouthy and don't make any fast movements. If your lucky they take your plants and leave peacefully. Then you can move spots and grow some new trees.

I know that sounds weak, but man you can always grow new trees, you cant grow a new life.

I grew up in the ghettos also, I know a solid handful of people who have been in house invaded. It is pretty damn scary, and it is turning a bad situation into a really bad situation. Thats why I left the city along time ago. Reminds me of Al Capone and alcohol prohibition.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

I understand the need to protect yourself. But what are you going to do when 3-5 guys bust in at 3:00AM and put a gun to your head? They arent going to knock and say "hey we are here to rob you, let us in". Or they wait till you come home and push their way in as you enter.

I think you may be getting yourself into more trouble.

Of course if the opportunity presents itself just right, you may be able to use it but I doubt it. And even if you do use it and manage to live, you'll have to explain to the police about your grow.

I think a small handgun that can easily be concealed would be better.

If you do get robbed, your first thought should be, let me be cool and just try to get out of this alive. DOnt reach for the gun first.

You may also want to invest in some theft deterrence. Bars, dog, alarm system etc.


I hope you are never faced with that situation. good luck

 

[OG Redwood]

lol thanks for the responses guys. i understrand the strong emotions towards guns, and i do foresee how it could be a negative rather than a positive. However, many of the home invasions here result in murder anyways...so i would rather have a fighting chance rather than to get killed even after cooperating with the robbers. Secondly, my grow is a legal medical grow, and i bought the gun legally so i dont know how having a gun in my grow room, where i also live, during a police raid will lead to time in the pen? maybe i'm unsure of some sort of law you guys know about. Thirdly, one excellent reason to buy a shotgun for home defense is because buckshot is the safest shot to fire in an area where other people live, as it usually will not go through walls and kill others. Another advantage to a shotgun is its immense stopping power, so even if robbers were wearing bullet proof vests, theyd still most likely be knocked to the ground where a finish blow could be inflicted

dont get me wrong, i'm not itching to kill any robbers that come into my house. Actually, i read the CA gun laws which make it especially clear that you cannot kill a robber in your house unless he intends to kill, rape, or otherwise imperil the residents of the house, at which time you can respond with equally lethal force. I understand that these guys attack in groups, and i most likely wouldnt stand a chance against trained professional robbers with bullet proofs, but i'm more worried about the amateurs around where i live that might have smelled something from the grow room and see an opportunity to come up on some cash without really thinking out their plan. Anyways, thanks for the responses.

another thing to consider = when the zombie outbreak occurs, i'm going to be sitting pretty. what will you guys do?

 

[GrassRoots]

Another advantage to a shotgun is its immense stopping power, so even if robbers were wearing bullet proof vests, theyd still most likely be knocked to the ground where a finish blow could be inflicted

This was busted on Myth Busters. Due to Newton's Law that every action must have an equal and opposite reaction, if the shot were to send them flying (like it does in the movies) it would send you flying just as far the other way. They tested it and could barely get the dummy to move.

another thing to consider = when the zombie outbreak occurs, i'm going to be sitting pretty. what will you guys do?

LOL, thanks for that. I'm going to be screwed. Hopefully they're the slow types like in Shaun Of The Dead.

I do not live in a bad part of town but I want to own a shotgun similar to what you're picking up, not just for grow protection but all around general home protection. I do not live in a legal state however and the possibility of jail time keeps me from doing it. It sucks because I feel like I can't protect myself nor can I rely on the protection of the police. I wish we weren't all considered criminals, f|_|ck the drug laws!



GrassRoots

 

[Echoes]

You have every right to protect yourself if there is a credible threat of home invasions in the area. I'd be scared, myself. Keep your mouth shut about your grow and your gun. You deserve a chance to defend yourself. I agree, most intruders come prepared with at least one weapon and more than one person so that already puts you at a disadvantage. Fight fire with fire.

 

[Verite]

Lets hope you dont get to test your rights in court when they basically tell you that you killed someone while in the process of committing a felony [ growing ] Its not like you can shoot someone and the cops arrive and you can prevent them from searching the basement or the rest of the house. Not like you can shoot them and then spend three hours tearing down the grow either.

If the state doesnt get you Im sure the family wouldnt mind the opportunity of filing a civil wrongful death case against you.

Then again statistics show that more guns kill their owners than they do intruders. No shotgun in the world is going to stop word of mouth if your grow security gets leaked, count on a wave of attacks if that happens. Unless youre itching to shoot someone common sense would have everyone else moving. And when they practically issue 215 cards like candy why wouldnt you use that least little bit of protection as well?

 

[TheGroBro]

I think you raise a really interesting question with having a legal gun at a legal grow. In theory that should fine but I wonder . .because what cops try to do in CA if they do actually catch you with legal weed . .is try to prove that you are a drug dealer and then any amount you have is illegal.

There is a case in Orange County where a 215 patient was stopped with weed in his car. A warrent was then issued for his house and they found less than 8oz - which is legal. They said, though, that because he had a scale and baggies and the pot in a few jars that he was drug dealer. Long story short - it was eventually overturned in court and the guy got off free.

I wonder, though, if the cops would say that because you have a gun that is evidence you are a drug dealer and then try to prosecute you. True a gun is legal but so are scales and baggies, right? The dude could explain the scale and baggies because he worked for a jeweler . .what if he couldn't though? Anyway . .I am sure it cost him some $$ for lawyers and stuff and took years off his life.

Anyway - I feel for you living in a crime ridden place - that sucks. Whether you can handle yourself or not, it's not fun. Hopefully you can move to a safer area soon and grow/puff in peace.

 

[Guest]

Watch Death Wish III

It is a shame you have to deal with this bullshit, good luck bro

 

[OG Redwood]

thanks for all the responses guys! yeah, my growing situation is a shame. you all make excellent points that i will well consider...Hopefully someday ill own acres of land somewhere near the coast and will be able to grow in peace...until then, i don't think i could sleep in my grow house without the sense of protection a gun provides.

oh and lmao at death wish 3. i just saw the trailer, and that is definitely a must see movie hahah

 

[ninfan77]

mossberg makes a fine shotgun, remember to clean it once and a while

There's not much you can do wrong w/ a persuader. It comes apart very easily, easy to clean, easy to load, easy to shoot.


As for guns and growing.... thats one's personal choice and obviously not for everyone here. Although, the few thieves i've met, weren't running around decked out like the SWAT team.... typical joes thinking they can sneak in somewhere at night w/ a crowbar and a flashlight. The sound of a 12 gauge shotgun loading up is more than enough to make them stop in their tracks.

"Professional" Thieves go after larger takes, i doubt you'll run into armed men with bullet proof vests in your 5 plant grow. More than likely its your cousin, brother, neighbor's friend who heard from your wife's sister's hairdressers son.

 

[EasyBakeIndica]

There's nothing wrong with weapons, but to rely on them as an actual form of defense, when you know you're allready a prime target for home invasion is extremely reckless.

Like Verite says, even if things do go perfectly and you're the last man standing (el hombre ultimatum) now you get to face homicide charges. Honestly, if all you're doing to protect your grow-op is buying a weapon, then I wouldn't blame a jury for convicting you.

Killing a man should always be your last resort. (no exceptions.)

There are a lot of things you can be doing to ensure your personal security. Owning a gun is not the solution which will help you sleep any easier at night.

ebi (ex-military, strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment.)

 

[ninfan77]

Well of course it's a last resort... dogs, odor control,keeping your mouth shut, not selling, a big fence, hidden cameras, if you're in MMJ, staying w/in your legal limits.. all important.

 

[guest]

I'm currently out on bond for attempted murder.

Three men tried to enter my home at 1AM.

One was shot for his efforts.

All of this took place outside my home. Yet they claimed that they had to search my home.

Yet .. they got a warrant (after they already found what they wanted).

In a legal situation such as CA mmj growing .. I'd have no second thoughts about protecting my grow in any way possible.

The rippers that feed off sick people don't deserve much of a second chance.

Just make sure you don't get shot with your own weapon.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

I think you raise a really interesting question with having a legal gun at a legal grow. In theory that should fine but I wonder . .because what cops try to do in CA if they do actually catch you with legal weed . .is try to prove that you are a drug dealer and then any amount you have is illegal.

There is a case in Orange County where a 215 patient was stopped with weed in his car. A warrent was then issued for his house and they found less than 8oz - which is legal. They said, though, that because he had a scale and baggies and the pot in a few jars that he was drug dealer. Long story short - it was eventually overturned in court and the guy got off free.

I wonder, though, if the cops would say that because you have a gun that is evidence you are a drug dealer and then try to prosecute you. True a gun is legal but so are scales and baggies, right? The dude could explain the scale and baggies because he worked for a jeweler . .what if he couldn't though? Anyway . .I am sure it cost him some $$ for lawyers and stuff and took years off his life.

Anyway - I feel for you living in a crime ridden place - that sucks. Whether you can handle yourself or not, it's not fun. Hopefully you can move to a safer area soon and grow/puff in peace.

he needs a scale to make sure he is under the legal limit doesnt he??? LOL Damned if you, damned if you dont

PeanutButter, were you the one that posted the link about yourself a week or two ago? You had a high bond and when they finally realized you shot one in the front versus the back that they originally claimed, they lowered your bond??

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

I grow in a homicide riddled slum in the east bay of california. Recently theres been a large increase in home invasions, especially targeted at marijuana cultivators. And so, today, i sank 300 into a Mossberg 500 Persuader. It's pretty lame that I have to wait 11 days until i receive my 12 ga. beast of a gun, because i'm bristling with excitement for the day i first get to take it to the range.

The gun i got is the bare essential model with the regular stock, and is made for home defense. I was wondering if any of you own this gun, and what experiences you've had with it. Furthermore, did you buy any add-ons for your gun, such as an attachable light? I was thinking one of those might be useful for moving around with the gun in the dark, but then again i know next to nothing about guns as this is my first. While I will be taking it to the range, I bought this gun primarily for home defense and so i was wondering if i should buy buckshot or slugs for it?

edit: crap, i cant post links...i found some great info on them for those who know nothing about the gun i bought...

I could not wait to respond once I read this!

You made THE perfect choice. (For home defense.) Six booms to clear six rooms my friend. I'm too excited don't know where to start!
First off, I will begin by saying I'm sorry you must live and grow in those conditions. It is a fact of this country. That being said, I would purchase slugs and bucks. Load them alternating. Remember which you put in first, the recoil will be slightly different. The point is that this increase (as if the Moss. isn't enough) the intimidation factor. A outpouring of good old American lead. 18 and a half inch barrel semi automatic crop ripper stopper. LoL. You just let that bitch go through the wall if you hear some shit, ask who's there. Most likely you'll hear just what you want. "Get down motha fu*ka!, you know what this is." Yes. Permission.

You have every right to protect yourself if there is a credible threat of home invasions in the area. I'd be scared, myself. Keep your mouth shut about your grow and your gun. You deserve a chance to defend yourself. I agree, most intruders come prepared with at least one weapon and more than one person so that already puts you at a disadvantage. Fight fire with fire.

FACT.

Let's not get off too much though. You do have to seriously consider facts, laws, and logic. Make your crop easily rippable. Meaning QUICK to take down. I mean 15 - 20 minutes. Remember you only have to MOVE (not get rid of) what is illegal. You can have lights and fans.
Obviously, this person knows the risk of growing and owning a gun. What risk does he run getting caught out without a burner? Has anyone been killed in any of these home invasions?
And just remember OG Redwood, the best defense for anyone coming into your grow room is NOT TELLING ANYONE. You DO want to avoid the situation, but don't let ANYONE make you feel it's wrong to prepare for it.

Thank You.
ARTofMAKINGfire, Gun Enthusiast.

 

[guest]

PeanutButter, were you the one that posted the link about yourself a week or two ago? You had a high bond and when they finally realized you shot one in the front versus the back that they originally claimed, they lowered your bond??

At first no bond.
Then it got set at $250k cash only.
Then lowered to $75k 10%. yes .. lowered after the judge found out it was a home invasion and the guy got shot in the chest.

I was in jail 40 days.

Rippers that feed off sick people have earned a special place in hell.

 

[OG Redwood]

wow thanks for all the great responses. i wasn't very sure about my purchase after the first few posts but now i feel a lot better. Here is the section about protecting ones home from the ca gun laws:

"A person may defend his or her home against anyone who attempts to enter in a violent manner intending violence to any person in the home. The amount of force that may be used in resisting such entry is limited to that which would appear necessary to a reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances to resist the violent entry. One is not bound to retreat, even though a retreat might safely be made. One may resist force with force, increasing it in proportion to the intruder’s persistence and violence, if the circumstances apparent to the occupant would cause a reasonable person in the same or similar situation to fear for his or her safety.
The occupant may use a firearm when resisting the intruder’s attempt to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime against anyone in the home provided that a reasonable person in the same or similar situation would believe that (a) the intruder intends to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime; (b) there is imminent danger of such crime being accomplished; and (c) the occupant acts under the belief that use of a firearm is necessary to save himself or herself or another from death or great bodily injury. Murder, mayhem, rape, and robbery are examples of forcible and life-threatening crimes.
Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry had occurred. Great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury. (Penal Code § 198.5.)
NOTE: If the presumption is rebutted by contrary evidence, the occupant may be criminally liable for an unlawful assault or homicide."

i understand it, but i'm not sure if killing someone who breaks into your home with ski masks at 3 am and threatens you is considered legal. what i mean to say is, where is the line drawn between someone breaking into your house to steal things, and someone breaking into your house to inflict pain or for "robbery" which is listed above as a killable offense? how could you prove it in court...

oh and also...yes or no on the tactical light? i've heard a muzzle flash can temporarily blind you in the dark, rendering you an easy target...