The Organic Think Tank

[montanaorganics]

Borlaug`s work has culminated in today wheat and corn being some of the most commonly grown, most commonly subsidized crops. Whats funny is they have some of the least nutritional food worth, and take more input energy than most worthwhile food crops.

Save 2 billion people yesterday, doom 6 billion tomorrow. Hurray, what a guy.

 

[RNDZL]

ORECKS SUCK .. Prove me wrong

for the non-believers ORECKS REALLY SUCK








Sorry coulnd't resist

 

[montanaorganics]

And, without water soil is wasted. I would venture if we damned less water for cities, lawns and large scale inefficient farming operations(such as wheat), that we may just have enough water to reclaim some of that un-arable land.
On top of that conglomerating all of the water just speeds up pollution while eliminating a huge detoxifying effect the microbiology of such soils would otherwise have upon our water sources.
Hell lets turn the whole world into one big hydro res and just pump the chems back and forth.

 

[cannaboy]

And, without water soil is wasted. I would venture if we damned less water for cities, lawns and large scale inefficient farming operations(such as wheat), that we may just have enough water to reclaim some of that un-arable land.
On top of that conglomerating all of the water just speeds up pollution while eliminating a huge detoxifying effect the microbiology of such soils would otherwise have upon our water sources.
Hell lets turn the whole world into one big hydro res and just pump the chems back and forth.

YEAH! Chem bottle base Hydro!! lets do it!!!! whooo ye har cowboys!!!


Then hydro would only be the viable means to sustain life,,
As it stands if we did the above organic natural aproach we can grow where lazy's say its un economical to do so!!! We can all go natural organic now!!!! And it will be survival of the fittest like it will be in a mass hydro mess!!!! And if we do natural organic now all over agriculture we can save the damage done!! Don't belive the HYPE!!!
Meanwhile laws on tossers using chems sending them to prison for pollution is good IMHO no different than fag companys or oil or other industries!!

Earth is a different plannet for Natural organic reasons stop making it dead you can't use the moon or mars yet!!!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

cannaboy... I know for a fact that you are composed entirely of chemical substances.

 

[EatMoGrass]

Derived from petroleum?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Meanwhile laws on tossers using chems sending them to prison for pollution is good IMHO no different than fag companys or oil or other industries!!

Earth is a different plannet for Natural organic reasons stop making it dead you can't use the moon or mars yet!!!

So.. unless you are typing your posts on an organic biodegradable computer powered by a hand crank generator connected to the internet with wires which are not wrapped in plastic as you sit in your cave... you too are no different from the oil companies either.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Derived from petroleum?

Nope... that works the other way around.

Petroleum is made from the same chemical elements you are made from. It was formerly living material, after all.

Now... which nutrients are derived from petroleum? No one ever answered that.... People keep on calling nutrients which are derived from mined minerals "petrol based chems"... Well, out with it... Exactly which component of Gen Hydro's flora series comes from oil?


(I already know the answer)

 

[mrwags]

I'd like to offer a deal for this thread poster. If you would maybe consider changing the title of this thread to maybe

The Organic Think Tank or something other than the word sucks.

I would make it a sticky. Sorry but having to see the word sucks in the sticky dept everyday is bad karma imo.

Just A Thought
Mr.Wags

 

[Lazyman]

I don't think water usage is a strawman at all, if the point of organic gardening is to be more environmentally friendly, why does it use 50-100% more water than a hydroponic system?

http://www.icarda.org/aprp/PDF/PAinAP_WUE.pdf


A good grower may achieve the same yield in soil as in soilless cultivation, but
is likely to use 50–100% more water as a result of water losses from overwatering
the soil and evaporation from the soil surface.

If we consider yield per unit of water applied, soilless systems may increase yield substantially over soilbased systems.
Nutrients and water are applied more evenly to the plants, therefore
reducing wastage and providing a situation closer to the ideal growing
conditions.
 Soilless cultivation has the capacity for increased yield. Improvement
in crop production could be more than 10-fold.
Water-use efficiency can be at least doubled compared with soil-grown
plants, since water is only introduced into the system when it is lost
through the plant.

So the hydroponic farmers reports and research I've found have essentially stated hydroponics outperform organics in the following ways:

Yield increased by 400%
Space reduced by 81%
Water use reduced by 50-100%

among others.

RNDZL, do you just think I'm making all of this up? Or perhaps you take issue with the sources I quote? I'm only posting a small sampling of the mountains of data that exist, but if there's some other statistic you'd like to see I'd be happy to find it for you. Or are you just unwilling to admit there are benefits to hydroponic growing that cannot be attained with organics?

 

[Lazyman]

Could we really quit talking about this frickin 40 year old scientific hypotheses that has never been quantifiably concluded in anyway? Einstein had a way to take care of the extra 2 billion people too, I`m tired of speculative conjecture from 40 years ago being touted as relevant new technology.
And why has nobody jumped on the MPB bandwagon in here? Isnt that currently the top yielding hybrid system... in general right now anyways...

Yeah, you're right, Borlaug was a moron. He should just have let people starve to death. You can only dream of matching his accomplishments in your lifetime amigo.

MPB is completely hydro, and Doubleds uses Advanced Nutrients Sensi line. Nothing organic about it whatsoever, and his yields are outrageously good. You picked a poor example to cite for organics!

 

[RNDZL]

i think water usage, or perhaps a better way to look at it, a organic-inorganic horticulture that does not depend on a soil base as a substrate is one way to save the planet

this now opens all the parts of the world that have been spoiled or don't have natural to soil to grow in as viable locations for self sustenance farming as an example

we can offset the stress on the limited farming resources by extending the viable grow horizons to alternatives

this is why I like the thought of hybrid organics

 

[Harinama]

yep, that is somewhat the process i have switched to.

80/20 coco/perlite, hempy, blumat autowatering
technaflora organics for starts/veg(at least until i run out)
technaflora BC (bloom/boost) chem for bloom via blumats.

Just could not keep my blumats from getting clogged with my organic ferts, even after straining every gallon. I have a "feeling" that chem nutes solutions, being more saturated and less particulate, do a better job of distributing the food throughout the entire rootzone..

I'd love to grow all organic, can someone point me to an organic fert that is decent for hydro?

Regarding this thread, i have found ZERO difference in quality or taste of my product between organic/chem ferts. Tbh, many other factors seem to affect my grows far more than the type of nutes. The key is in the flush and cure at the end imho.

Anyone used EarthJuice in drip hydro? If so, how were the results.(just read up on it, EJ is also too thick/particulate for drip systems)

So..is there ANY organic nutes appropriate for drip-hydro..what about the Iguana series from AN?(not that i want to pay THAT kind of $$ really..)

 

[Lazyman]

I've been told by a number of people not to use organic ferts in drip systems, and with Blumats being just gravity fed I think it holds even more true. If you want to grow organically indoors with Blumats I'd advise you to stick to soil amendments, and water with plain water. In light of this thread I think you'll find that a longer veg time will be required to achieve the same results with organics, as establishing the microherd in the roots does not occur instantly.

 

[NiteTiger]

I'd like to offer a deal for this thread poster. If you would maybe consider changing the title of this thread to maybe

The Organic Think Tank or something other than the word sucks.

I would make it a sticky. Sorry but having to see the word sucks in the sticky dept everyday is bad karma imo.

Just A Thought
Mr.Wags

I'm all for it Wags, but it's not giving me an option to change the title when I hit Edit

But hey, you gotta admit, it does have a certain eye-catching quality

Mod powers to the rescue?

 

[grapeman]

Derived from petroleum?

No - derived from carbon. Same as petroleum.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

No - derived from carbon. Same as petroleum.

Yup... Petroleum is composed of organic chemicals.

 

[mrwags]

I'm all for it Wags, but it's not giving me an option to change the title when I hit Edit

But hey, you gotta admit, it does have a certain eye-catching quality

Mod powers to the rescue?

A deals a deal and sticky completed. You guy's are blowing this thread up. Now if you don't mind I gotta get to work on this book I'm gonna write from this thread only lol.


Have A Great Day
Mr.Wags

 

[Lazyman]

Hey as long as I get an honorable mention! lol just kiddin man.

 

[osirica420]

growing plants with just 10-16 minerals just doesn't cut it for me...

chem grown weed can be better its just missing the other 70 + minerals and enzymes found within soil!!!

which has a heavy impact on different aspects of the plant even though the plant looks fine growing in just enough minerals to produce fat decent looking bud.....

If you remove the NacI from seawater you can recover and utilize these other macro/micro/trace minerals and enzymes
that are not in your current so called Lucas Formula chemical mix...

that is just one way to add these missing elements to your chemical grows....