The Official Hempy Bucket Thread

[bostrom155]

Sorry to post too much but the ol lady is sleeping and im smoking Permafrost. Ive been stewing over some new seeds. i think i'm going with BOG Lifesaver, CCP Chunky Cheese and MAN Hashberry. Gonna pull the trigger in the morning, any thoughts?

 

[Lord Doobie]

Since it's all the rage, what we probably need is new coco threads from experienced growers. Everything else can be found here and at the Hempy Collective. I'm sure many are still waiting for Hempy to do his own coco grow...

 

[dubwise]

bostrom-i've been thinking of that lifesaver too! Looks great. I'd also like to try satori. As for the plants w/ the 6 month veg...there will be two if not three. Two weeks ago they were lst'd and they look pretty wild. I'm hoping that (2) t5's will be enough light for those two ladies and the rest of the perpetual. Time will tell.
All-what is the big deal with coco? I'm not knocking it, I don't know anything about it (I mean, I understand the medium) I just don't know why anyone would want to change from perlite/vermiculite. Drop some knowledge to me down here in the dirty please.
Hope all have a great Sunday.

 

[bostrom155]

Hey Dubwise, im sure someone will chime in soon on coco, I ran out of perlite and my nursery said it would be a few weeks, so i seen they had 2 bags of biobizz coco mix and gave it a shot, i have 4 or 5 in coco now, one just went into flower in a 2G pot. But the growth rivals perlite in EVERY way, huge fan leaves etc. But like i said i just started messing with it. only thing ive grown in before was LC#1 mix. then hempys. Thinking of doing a 50/50 coco/perlite. Greenatik has a nice grow going using that ratio. In the end i like trying different shit. Later Dubwise

 

[Giant]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but can you re-use the runoff from hempy buckets? I am using 100% perlite in six 5gal buckets. They will all be connected via a drain line that will dump into a bucket for disposal later. Is it possible to collect this runoff and use it to water again?

 

[indicameds]

Kinda like a re circulating Hydro set-up? Im not sure about it but it sounds like a good idea for saving on nutes..

 

[Lord Doobie]

Once you a familiar with hempy, there is little to no run-off to capture. You're simply refilling the rez. If you're getting huge amounts of run-off, you're doing it all wrong.

All-what is the big deal with coco? I'm not knocking it, I don't know anything about it (I mean, I understand the medium) I just don't know why anyone would want to change from perlite/vermiculite.

Exactly...

 

[indicameds]

Once you a familiar with hempy, there is little to no run-off to capture. You're simply refilling the rez. If you're getting huge amounts of run-off, you're doing it all wrong.

True, true..

 

[delta9nxs]

hi, thizzness!

26.13 x 18.25 x 6.38 = 3,042.45 cubic inches divided by 231 (# of cubic inches in a gallon) = 13.17 gallons or 52.68 quarts of volume. you have 477 approx. square inches of area, which should be fine for 10 short day plants flowered at 8-12". i don't have a clue about autoflower plants.

on pg 6, post 86 of this thread there are some links to a lady that grows vegetables exactly as you are describing. she has used tubs and giant (4 x 100 ft) plastic lined wooden troughs with a single drain hole at the 1" level. her name is peggy bradley and she is a world known hydroponic vegetable expert. hope this helps

 

[delta9nxs]

indicameds

this just in:

Today young men on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.-

i can't remember where i got this but it was the first thing that came into my poor little brain when i saw your shrooms. you got my attention!

in the mississippi delta in the early 70's i can remember a species that grew naturally outdoors in cowpies after a rain. i think the latin name was psilocybe cubensis. i'll be watching.

 

[osecretgardeno]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but can you re-use the runoff from hempy buckets? I am using 100% perlite in six 5gal buckets. They will all be connected via a drain line that will dump into a bucket for disposal later. Is it possible to collect this runoff and use it to water again?

I've used the run-off before, I didn't see any real problems with it except sometimes there is a little perlite dust in it. If you are collecting it all you should just check the ppm and pH on the run off and see if it is still a viable use of nutrients.

But like Lord Doobie said ... there shouldn't be much run off once you know what you are doing.

Goodluck, -sg

 

[delta9nxs]

dubwise, thank you! very generous!

i'm still real shallow in the coco coir learning curve pool, but i've been reading everything i can get my hands on about it. you know how some of your plants act like you've got to hold a gun to their heads to get them to grow, some plants grow moderately well but fall short of their potential and are under developed, and some plants look like they "turn on" and really go for it? well, all my plants with at least some coco in them are "turned on". exactly why i don't know yet.

physically, they are developing thicker stems and branches that can only be described as "gnarly". larger fan leaves too which might be aiding photosynthetic processes. closer internode spacing and less stretch in veg some of them more than others depending on the precise mix. thick gnarly stems and branches to me mean well developed root systems, which we know produces well developed buds.

on my thread i'm running multiple mix experiments. the heaviest amount of coco i've used is 30% in perlite. i still am not ready to jump into the deep end with 100% but am watching with fascination.

how is that 6 month veg doing? where are you timewise? and do you have pics?

 

[indicameds]

indicameds

this just in:

Today young men on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.-

i can't remember where i got this but it was the first thing that came into my poor little brain when i saw your shrooms. you got my attention!

in the mississippi delta in the early 70's i can remember a species that grew naturally outdoors in cowpies after a rain. i think the latin name was psilocybe cubensis. i'll be watching.

That great right there. Ive read several books with qoutes in them that resemble that. It strange how millions of people that are actively indulging in psychedelics start to think the same type of things about our existence.

But ill take that as a complement. So thanks I try hard at producing tons of great mushrooms to spread the love, so stop by the thread any time as ill be updating it with a bunch of new stuff.

 

[delta9nxs]

most definitely a compliment! those things look great! i really want to learn how to do that.

and i forgot to mention that my daughter went to amsterdam for a week this summer. in addition to some seeds she brought me a plastic container about the size and shape of a petri dish. the label reads:

high quality sporeprint

"hawaiian" coopelandia

paneolus cyanescens

do you know anything about these? i haven't even opened the package yet. they've been sitting in a room temp desk drawer since august. are they still good?

i just realized how off topic this is. maybe we should take this over to your place?

 

[delta9nxs]

So delta you think its a plus to have something provide CEC

hey, bostrom! Yeah, almost all my 100% perlite plants showed tip burn by harvest. Even the isis, in a 5 gal all perlite hempy, is showing it. Anytime i've used perlite mixed with turface I don't get it. My 100% turface plants never show it. I've never used verm and don't want to (see msds), but coco could fix it. There are pics all over the internet showing 100% perlite hempy's and a lot of them have tip burn. The ones that used hempy's verm/perlite ratio don't seem to show it as much. The only thing I can think of is that the cec of the amendments is somehow buffering the effect of strong chemical nutes.



whats your opinion on EWC it would seem that it would wash to the bottom.

The jury is still out on that one. I only used a quart per 5 gals in one and a pint in the other. That's one part in 20 and one part in 40, respectively. I managed to retain hydraulic conductivity running tap water to wet and rinse but I really don't know yet. I put it in the mix more for microbial innoculation than nutrients.

Speaking of hydraulic conductivity I had to open a fresh bag of perlite for my perlite/coco plant, no ewc. I was not feeling well and rushed through rinsing it before mixing with the coco and loading the thing I built. You know how i've got the sump thingy set up. Well that baby has got to flow to grow. I started wetting down the whole mix after loading and the water immediately filled the bucket right to the top and then just sat there. For 3 days. I'm still not positive what happened but when you rinse fresh perlite you get that milky white super fine run off. I think I didn't wash it enough and it interacted mechanically somehow with the coco and formed a plug that held water like a bathtub stopper. Fortunately, I didn't have a plant in it. From what I understand coco fibers are little hollow tubes like a straw. Maybe it plugged the tubes, I don't know. I took some fresh perlite and washed the living hell out of it, mixed at the same exact ratio and it flowed right through. Well, later on

 

[Lord Doobie]

turns out that Hempy has started his coco grow only 3 days ago using coco, perlite, and hydro nutes
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=147954

 

[Luigi4Bud]

I was thinking, lets say I use a 3.5gal bucket for hempy. What shape bucket would be best for the roots, a tall narrow bucket or a shorter, wider bucket? Both would be 3.5gal, which shape do you think would yield better?

 

[delta9nxs]

hi! a taller thinner container is preferable to a shorter fatter one of the same volume given identical medium.

and here is why:

"There are two forces that cause water movement through soil - one is gravity, the other capillary action. Gravity needs little explanation, but for this writing I would like to note: Gravitational flow potential (GFP) is greater for water at the top of the pot than it is for water at the bottom of the pot. I'll return to that later. Capillarity is a function of the natural forces of adhesion and cohesion. Adhesion is water's tendency to stick to solid objects like soil particles and the sides of the pot. Cohesion is the tendency for water to stick to itself. Cohesion is why we often find water in droplet form - because cohesion is at times stronger than adhesion, water’s bond to itself can be stronger than the bond to the object it might be in contact with; in this condition it forms a drop. Capillary action is in evidence when we dip a paper towel in water. The water will soak into the towel and rise several inches above the surface of the water. It will not drain back into the source. It will stop rising when the GFP equals the capillary attraction of the fibers in the paper.

There is, in every pot, what is called a "perched water table" (PWT). This is water that occupies a layer of soil that is always saturated & will not drain at the bottom of the pot. It can evaporate or be used by the plant, but physical forces will not allow it to drain. It is there because the capillary pull of the soil at some point will equal the GFP; therefore, the water does not drain, it is "perched". If we fill five cylinders of varying heights and diameters with the same soil mix and provide each cylinder with a drainage hole, the PWT will be exactly the same height in each container. This is the area of the pot where roots seldom penetrate & where root problems begin due to a lack of aeration. From this we can draw the conclusion that: Tall growing containers are a superior choice over squat containers when using the same soil mix. The reason: The level of the PWT will be the same in each container, with the taller container providing more usable, air holding soil above the PWT. Physiology dictates that plants must be able to take in air at the roots in order to complete transpiration and photosynthesis."


this is from a contributor to one of the online gardening magazines. i've now seen the same principles stated on dozens of research papers.

later on, d9

 

[THC_Decapitator]

nice info delta .rinse rinse

 

[Giant]

My buckets.. I made some drain lines for the overflow to drain out of the tent.

It works!