The Mexican Cartel Thread - Anyone As Interested in Whats Going On Down There as Me?!

[LiLWaynE]

If you have been even remotely paying any attention to world news, you should know that there is some pretty LOCO shit going on south of our US border.....

There are countless videos available on the web that give minor glimpses of the violence that is running out of control down there...

....these videos that these bold assholes actually take the time to upload to the internet to "show off" get as loco as women decapitating men with knives, 14 year old boy with his head and hands dismembered, city of juarez police officers filming themselves forcing a woman they arrested giving them nude lapdances and things of the sort....the list can go on and on about the sheer madness going on down there.....the whole country is corrupt....journalists are murdered daily, members of the government are murdered daily, and obviously cartel members are murdered by the dozens DAILY.... and of course, innocent people are being killed as well....

in my very honest opinion, i believe that SOMETHING has to be done in order to stop this anarchy, chaos, and sheer madness which is fueled primarily by DRUGS and american money....

It was not highly documented, but the US has been sending unarmed drones over Mexico since February to gather intelligence on the major drug cartels... since then, ironically there have been MANY arrests of head cartel members.... since drones have been reported to be in use by the US government, the arrest rate of these high profile cartel leaders is the highest it has ever been since 2006 when Mexican president Felipe Calderon declared ware against the cartels.... from the time Calderon started this war within his country in 06', there have been over 40,000 reported deaths :wow:.....

this is all knowledge that I have gathered, and I am ALWAYS interested in hearing what others have to say about this madness....

anyone else as addicted to this crazyness as myself? lets talk

 

[NOKUY]

my very similar thread from last night has mysteriously been executed

 

[LiLWaynE]

This violence has also reached popular tourist cities such as Cancun and Acapulco !

.....and the travel channel seriously aired a special about Mexico's top beaches for tourists not even a week ago..............anyone going to visit mexico has BALLS...........these ruthless assholes will kidnap and extort ANYONE.....they'll rape women in front of their boyfriends/husbands.... fucking ruthless...

 

[LiLWaynE]

my very similar thread from last night has mysteriously been executed

one of the moderators is probably connected to the cartels ?


there is no reason for ANYONE to bin these threads... it is time for people to become educated.........

if this thread is deleted, i am flying to the UK and causing havoc in Surrey...

 

[bentom187]

yup, its just another reason to keep our green purley american.
we should feel proud if we can put an end to the blackmarket driven deaths and do what america was supposed to do inspire freedom from tyranny.
we do our part we deserve a patt on the back but obviously we know the shit still goes on and persaverence is most important.

 

[LiLWaynE]

how much longer will this violence go on?

this is not like the days of noreaga or escobar....

these are the days of MANY noreaga and escobar "clones".......

the us CIA and their high tech gadgetry helped columbia catch escobar....

but these days there are more big fish in the mexico for the US to help catch....

perhaps new technology will make it easier for them to catch them...

but when they "catch" them, will the Mexican government still be too corrupt to keep these guys caged up?

the most notorious, elusive, and wealthy mexican drug lord Joaquín Archivaldo Guzmán Loera a.k.a. "El Chapo" who stands at a whopping 5'-7", 160lbs was caught and arrested in 2001, only to "escape" and has never been seen again... His fortune has grown to more than $1 billion, according to Forbe's magazine, which listed him among the "World's Most Powerful People" and ranked him above the presidents of France and Venezuela. He has done all he has done even with a 7$ million dollar bounty on his head by US government....

 

[LiLWaynE]

last august, "El Chapo's" WIFE, Emma Coronel, 22, gave birth to twin girls at Antelope Valley Hospital in Lancaster, California....

The couple was married on the day of Coronel’s 18th birthday back in 2007 in a lavish wedding in the highlands of central Mexico while he was still a fugitive at large..... (6 years after his escape from a mexican prison)

"U.S. federal agents were apparently keeping tabs on Coronel long before she entered the U.S. and continue to watch her though she has now taken her daughters and returned to Mexico.

Though clues to her husband’s whereabouts are believed to have been discovered, officials say it is not always locating Guzman that is the problem, it’s getting to him."

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Interesting thread,LW.

Did you hear anything about the assault weapons that were supplied by 'someone in the US government' and a border agent was killed with one of them?Supposedly supplied for tracking purposes...brilliant.

We know what needs done and the current line-up ain't getting it...holy christ, I could imagine a few of these dirtbags sneaking their way across, just in time for amnesty.

Makes me want to man a post

 

[LiLWaynE]

Interesting thread,LW.

Did you hear anything about the assault weapons that were supplied by 'someone in the US government' and a border agent was killed with one of them?Supposedly supplied for tracking purposes...brilliant.

heard all about it.....i personally think someone in the US gov't wanted to get a piece of the pie and make himself some quick cash by providing weapons and dubbing it as a secret program.....for them to think they were going to supply all of these guns and not have them be used heinously just makes me laugh.......out loud..... heres the most recent article ive found on it for anyone else who is interested in this topic to read about....

September 19, 2011|By Ken Ellingwood, Richard A. Serrano and Tracy Wilkinson, Los Angeles Times

Reporting from Mexico City and Washington — Last fall's slaying of Mario Gonzalez, the brother of a Mexican state prosecutor, shocked people on both sides of the border. Sensational news reports revealed that cartel hit men had tortured Gonzalez, and forced him to make a videotaped "confession" that his high-powered sister was on the take.


But American authorities concealed one disturbing fact about the case from their Mexican counterparts: U.S. federal agents had allowed AK-47 assault rifles later found in the killers' arsenal to be smuggled across the border under the notorious Fast and Furious gun-trafficking program.


U.S. officials also kept mum as other weapons linked to Fast and Furious turned up at dozens of additional Mexican crime scenes, with an unconfirmed toll of at least 150 people killed or wounded.
Months after the deadly lapses in the program were revealed in the U.S. media — prompting congressional hearings and the reassignment of the acting chief of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — top Mexican officials say American authorities have still not offered them a proper accounting of what went wrong.


Marisela Morales, Mexico's attorney general and a longtime favorite of American law enforcement agents in Mexico, told The Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports. And to this day, she said, U.S. officials have not briefed her on the operation gone awry, nor have they apologized.
"At no time did we know or were we made aware that there might have been arms trafficking permitted," Morales, Mexico's highest-ranking law enforcement official, said in a recent interview. "In no way would we have allowed it, because it is an attack on the safety of Mexicans."


Morales said she did not want to draw conclusions before the outcome of U.S. investigations, but that deliberately letting weapons "walk" into Mexico — with the intention of tracing the guns to drug cartels — would represent a "betrayal" of a country enduring a drug war that has killed more than 40,000 people. U.S. agents lost track of hundreds of weapons under the program.


Concealment of the bloody toll of Fast and Furious took place despite official pronouncements of growing cooperation and intelligence-sharing in the fight against vicious Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. The secrecy also occurred as President Felipe Calderon and other senior Mexican officials complained bitterly, time and again, about the flow of weapons into Mexico from the U.S.


Patricia Gonzalez, the top state prosecutor in Chihuahua at the time of her brother's 2010 kidnapping, noted that she had worked closely with U.S. officials for years and was stunned that she did not learn until many months later, through media reports, about the link between his death and Fast and Furious weapons.
"The basic ineptitude of these officials [who ordered the Fast and Furious operation] caused the death of my brother and surely thousands more victims," Gonzalez said.


Fast and Furious weapons have also been linked to other high-profile shootings. On May 24, a helicopter ferrying Mexican federal police during an operation in the western state of Michoacan was forced to land after bullets from a powerful Barrett .50-caliber rifle pierced its fuselage and armor-reinforced windshield. Three officers were wounded.


Authorities later captured dozens of drug gang gunmen involved in the attack and seized 70 weapons, including a Barrett rifle, according to a report by U.S. congressional committees. Some of the guns were traced to Fast and Furious.


Email traffic and U.S. congressional testimony by ATF agents and others make clear that American officials purposefully concealed from Mexico's government details of the operation, launched in November 2009 by the ATF field offices in Arizona and New Mexico.


In March 2010, with a growing number of guns lost or showing up at crime scenes in Mexico, ATF officials convened an "emergency briefing" to figure out a way to shut down Fast and Furious. Instead, they decided to keep it going and continue to leave Mexico out of the loop.


Communications also show that the U.S. Embassy, along with the ATF office in Mexico, at least initially, was also kept in the dark.
In July 2010, Darren Gil, the acting ATF attache in Mexico City, asked his supervisors in the U.S. about guns in Mexico but got no answer, according to his testimony before a U.S. congressional committee investigating the matter.


"They were afraid that I was going to either brief the ambassador or brief the government of Mexico officials on it," Gil said.


Part of the reason for not telling Mexican authorities, Gil and others noted, is the widespread corruption among officials in Mexico that has long made some U.S. officials reluctant to share intelligence. By late last year, however, with the kidnapping of Mario Gonzalez and tracing of the AK-47s, some ATF officials were beginning to tell their superiors that it was time to inform the Mexicans.


Carlos Canino, an ATF agent at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City, warned headquarters that failure to share the information would have dire consequences for the U.S.-Mexican relationship.

"We need to tell them [Mexico] this, because if we don't tell them this, and this gets out, it was my opinion that the Mexicans would never trust us again," Canino testified to congressional investigators in Washington.


Atty. Gen. Morales said it was not until January that the Mexican government was told of the existence of an undercover program that turned out to be Fast and Furious. At the time, Morales said, Mexico was not provided details.


U.S. officials gave their Mexican counterparts access to information involving a group of 20 suspects arrested in Arizona. These arrests would lead to the only indictment to emerge from Fast and Furious.


"It was then that we learned of that case, of the arms trafficking," Morales told The Times. "They haven't admitted to us that there might have been permitted trafficking. Until now, they continue denying it to us."


In March, after disgruntled ATF agents went to congressional investigators, details of Fast and Furious began to appear in The Times and other U.S. media. By then, two Fast and Furious weapons had been found at the scene of the fatal shooting of a U.S. border agent near Rio Rico, Ariz.


As well, a second agent had been killed near the Mexican city of San Luis Potosi, sending the ATF hierarchy into a "state of panic," ATF supervisor Peter Forcelli said, because of fears the weapons used might have arrived in Mexico as part of Fast and Furious. So far, all the U.S. government has said in the latter case is that one of the weapons was traced to an illegal purchase in the Dallas area.


In June, Canino, the ATF attache, was finally allowed to say something to Atty. Gen. Morales about the weapons used by Mario Gonzalez's captors, thought to be members of the powerful Sinaloa cartel.


"I wanted her to find out from me, because she is an ally of the U.S. government," he testified.


Canino later told congressional investigators that Morales was shocked.


"Hijole!" he recalled her saying, an expression that roughly means, "Oh no!"


Canino testified that Fast and Furious guns showed up at nearly 200 crime scenes.


Mexican Congressman Humberto Benitez Trevino, who heads the justice committee in the Chamber of Deputies, said the number of people killed or wounded by the weapons had probably doubled to 300 since March, when he said confidential information held by Mexican security authorities put the figure at 150. The higher number, he said, was his own estimate.


A former attorney general, Benitez labeled the operation a "failure," but said it did not spell a collapse of the two nations' shared fight against organized crime groups.


"It was a bad business that got out of hand," he said in an interview.

Many Mexican politicians responded angrily when the existence of the program became known in March, with several saying it amounted to a breach of Mexican sovereignty. But much of that anger has subsided, possibly in the interest of not aggravating the bilateral relationship. For Mexico, the U.S. gun problem goes far beyond the Fast and Furious program. Of weapons used in crimes and traced, more than 75% come from the U.S.


"Yes, it was bad and wrong, and you have to ask yourself, what were they thinking?" a senior official in Calderon's administration said, referring to Fast and Furious. "But, given the river of weapons that flows into Mexico from the U.S., do a few more make a big difference?"


Still, Mexican leaders are under pressure to answer questions from their citizens, with very little to go on.


"The evidence is over there [north of the border]," Morales said.



"I can't put a pistol to their heads and say, 'Now give it to me or else.' I can't."

 

[bentom187]

how much longer will this violence go on?

this is not like the days of noreaga or escobar....

these are the days of MANY noreaga and escobar "clones".......

the us CIA and their high tech gadgetry helped columbia catch escobar....

but these days there are more big fish in the mexico for the US to help catch....

perhaps new technology will make it easier for them to catch them...

but when they "catch" them, will the Mexican government still be too corrupt to keep these guys caged up?

the most notorious, elusive, and wealthy mexican drug lord Joaquín Archivaldo Guzmán Loera a.k.a. "El Chapo" who stands at a whopping 5'-7", 160lbs was caught and arrested in 2001, only to "escape" and has never been seen again... His fortune has grown to more than $1 billion, according to Forbe's magazine, which listed him among the "World's Most Powerful People" and ranked him above the presidents of France and Venezuela. He has done all he has done even with a 7$ million dollar bounty on his head by US government....

funny you mention escobar, you should watch cocaine cowboys 2 ,youll realize he was a tool of a women who was in charge yet she is still alive and runs(literally) the prison she is in ,im sure governments have orchistrated it all.

 

[LiLWaynE]

funny you mention escobar, you should watch cocaine cowboys 2 ,youll realize he was a tool of a women who was in charge yet she is still alive and runs(literally) the prison she is in ,im sure governments have orchistrated it all.

cocaine cowboys 2? ive seen cc1, i guess ill go find me a cc2 torrent

 

[bentom187]

i seen it on zune movies on xbox live.
they have alot of good ones. square grouper ,orwell roles in his grave,the power of forgivness,exit through the gift shop ect.......lots of good ones,its worth gettin xbox.

 

[LiLWaynE]

The answer to how Mexico and US will "cut the head of the snake off" lies within this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/americas/16drug.html?_r=2&hp

 

[dbuzz]

and to think these cartels have huge presence in the united states. unless drugs become legal, it seems inevitable one day this kind of barbaric violence will happen in the united states.

apparently they're killing innocent bloggers now.

 

[LiLWaynE]

and to think these cartels have huge presence in the united states. unless drugs become legal, it seems inevitable one day this kind of barbaric violence will happen in the united states.

apparently they're killing innocent bloggers now.

i was talking to a police officer who was doing a late night part time security side job at a 7 11 convenient store and i happened to have a hightimes mag in my hand ready to buy it before i noticed the officer.... he ended up seeing the mag in my hand and jokingly made a comment in good humor about it and somehow him and I got onto the topic of mexican cartels.....

anyways, this police officer told me that since barack obama stepped up border patrol funding and has made it a lot harder for drugs to get through that there beginning to find evidence that the cartels are setting up shop throghout the USA and manufacturing/distributing right here on our turf thus avoiding any need to skip border....

in my opinion, ever since the border patrol started using high tech 3d scanning devices that do a freakishly amazing and accurate job of scanning any and every vehicle or train that crosses the border they have been doing SERIOUS damage to unsuspecting cartels... these guys are taking SERIOUS hits trying to get their shit across and its just pissing people off down there and they are just wacking (killing ) everybody off... yeah there is a lot of wacking off going on down there for sure especially with the prostitutes! (as an aside: little lupe the pornstar is SEXY - go google her).... NOTHING is getting across the border these days really.... only small amounts are making it through the border customs stations...

so since these cartels are losing millions of dollars in potential profits, they are figuring that although the operating costs will be higher in america, they will still be lower then what they risk losing by smuggling across border....

right now the cartels are mining out tunnels all along the border. The tunnels are their best option right now in terms of success rate. The mexican/american border is 1969 miles long. Most of the tunnels that the US has located have been under 500 feet in total length and were in spots really close to the actual customs stations. One of the tunnels I saw once was from Tijuanna to San Diego. The tunnel went from TJ to a warehouse in SD.... if memory serves me correct, officals became extremely suspicious after a local San Diegan had tipped them off... The DEA had watch SEMI's pulling into the warehouse and just loading up and leaving.... never once did they see a semi pull up and unload.....

I find it hard to believe that there are not tunnels that have been dug out by mexican slaves that begin in rural mexican areas and end in rural american areas.... if there is a will there is a way....

Jay-Z's most recent hit "OTIS" has a line in it that goes "build your fences, we diggin tunnels...can't you see we gettin money right under you? "................. better watch it jay, u exposing some sensitive data.... might catch a bullet hova...

 

[sso]

well, then...

if the drugwars are not repealed, then our future is quite clearly visible.



..plus with the billions these guys got, well, all of us live in a corrupt country where money talks till bullshit walks. (all westerners basically)



now from a detached point (cry laugh or detatched?)

its really interesting how people dig their own graves and then shoot themselves up the ass and wait to die.

 

[MIway]

in my opinion, ever since the border patrol started using high tech 3d scanning devices that do a freakishly amazing and accurate job of scanning any and every vehicle or train that crosses the border they have been doing SERIOUS damage to unsuspecting cartels... these guys are taking SERIOUS hits trying to get their shit across and its just pissing people off down there and they are just wacking (killing ) everybody off... yeah there is a lot of wacking off going on down there for sure especially with the prostitutes! (as an aside: little lupe the pornstar is SEXY - go google her).... NOTHING is getting across the border these days really.... only small amounts are making it through the border customs stations...

so since these cartels are losing millions of dollars in potential profits, they are figuring that although the operating costs will be higher in america, they will still be lower then what they risk losing by smuggling across border....

it makes sense that if they are hurting, things would get more & more violent... which is what we see right now.

thing about it is, if we really wanted to go in & take em out... all the mexican players... they really could. say who gives a fuck to the rules & send in the military... use the UN & let them bomb the fuck out of them. i'd suggest the US to do it, but we clearly have interests in keeping the whole facade in working order. quite frankly, same thing with the UN... too much money interest in keeping things going the way it is going... this is where all the opposing interests share in common ground... to preserve their current interests.

why else would we not try to resolve the issue in our own backyard... with what, 40k dead & counting... that clearly has detrimental effects to america as well...??? too much money flowing to sustain the status quo. it really is a bit depressing to think about for too long. we really do have the resources to end the madness at any time... but that's for most all of the world's maladies. depressing.

 

[titoon29]

All Mexico is not dangerours, North of it is. Oaxaca region is one of the most beautiful place to me, amazing people, great smoke, safe place.

You can try prevent drugs from crossing the border in whatever technical way, it will never go down. when there is demand supply is there.

Drug trafficking is a very very good business, as well for the US officials.

When they catch smugglers (usually just poor people paid to go through the border, bad guys never take risks)" where do they put them ? In federal US jails that are paid by the taxes, where most of the time a lot of people in local enforcement have their share in the private jails and make money with people being put there.

CIA is well know for very shady drug biz to finance their secret ops, drug trafficking included.

Unfortunatly all south america/center has been dying slowly from this war on drugs, while they don't have much interest in drugs themselves. If it was not for the northern countries (US, Europe, etc...) there would be no industrial production of drugs. That's the reality.

Now what approach to take, I don't know. Education, prevention and sharing should be the rules. And legalisation. Until a poor country can make money on another selling expensive locally produced drugs than there will be drug trafficking.

But we need some new ideas from our leaders and they won't come till they make money on this war on drugs.

Make peace, not war.

 

[Puffaluffagus]

I thought Gus wiped out the cartel last weekend?

 

[longearedfriend]

i'd rather not know about this stuff

not at the moment I woke up at 3 am and spent all morning (2-3h) agonizing and throwing up

still I think what is going over there near the border is unacceptable