The Landrace Indica thread

[Herbalistic]

Great Raco, as always with your plants simply great

GanjaPasha: I have drooled several times on your PA, but never realized the size of a container you did grow that monster!! Was it from seed, or clone btw?

Hashassasin: I hope this thread will fluorish like UST, start is looking pretty damn promising, so it has ALL the potential to evolve like UST..

How about collecting descriptions from strains of each region and add some pics and edit all that in your first post? Now that would be great me thinks

 

[Thule]

To be honest, I think sometimes we attach too much emphasis to the term landrace, after all, many of what we call landraces are not really such, they are cultivars that have been maintained by human hand rather than true wild landraces. Perhaps the indica world is less well off in terms of actual landraces than the sativa world as it tends to be that the wild landraces are typically taller, more thin leafed and what is called a sativa, it has been mentioned many times, going back to Vavilov, that the indigenous landraces of Afghanistan were/are found on the margins of the cultivated valleys, usually on more arid upper elevations and are described as being taller, thinner leafed, sativas. It is also said that the 'Hindu Death Cabbage' type short, squat, highly resinous indica is the result of human intervention - it being the cultivated varieties that fit this profile. To be honest, it is hard (and the subject of much taxonomical debate) to determine just where in the scheme of things many varieties of cannabis from europe, the middle east and asia fall. Take the Lebanese/Egyptian hash varieties we were discussing, should these be regarded as indicas or sativas? Are they landraces or heirloom cultivars? Then we have the more northerly types, there are both tall, thin-leafed varieties in europe (think of the Altai mountain landrace plants posted recently) and short, squat, indica varieties (often called ruderalis).

I think we need to come up with a consistent, accurate taxonomy for cannabis, but that will have to wait until more genetic research has been done. Because cannabis is illegal most everywhere, there is a huge lack of scientific knowledge about the plant. Legal things like rice have had their genomes completely mapped and thoroughly researched, yet with cannabis we are still in the dark about so much of the genetics. Even guys like Dave Watson and Rob Clarke who probably know more about cannabis genetics than anyone else, know far less than their counterparts specialising in other plants do about their chosen genome.

There sometimes is a little confusion about the definition of a landrace. According to dictionaries the term refers to domesticated animals or plants adapted to the natural and cultural environment in which they live. Landrace doesn't usually mean wild.

The look that cannabis takes in the wild resembles that of a sativa. You can clearly see that in all climate zones from Siberia to Africa. The ruderalis type can have as thin leaves as a South East Asian, that's why we like to classify our cannabis based on the high it delivers, in other words the cannabinoid and terpene profile.

It is my conclusion that an indica will turn very sativa like in only a few decades if the climate is pushing towards that. Take for example Royal Dane which is supposed to be pretty much a pure indica and has been grown in Denmark for quite some time. They look like sativas! Just like european hemp, ruderalis and other old acclimatized landraces.

To sum it up, indica is a result of acclimatization to a mountain climate and hash making. The thick resin coating was probably first a protection against drought, and was then bred intensively by man, making indica a cultigen subspecies. In the wild all cannabis types will eventually develope thin leaves and longer internodes like their wild ancestors. Just take a look at the landraces in the russian sub forum.

 

[levant]

Ganja Pasha and Thule,
Thats exactly along my lines of thinking,
Most wild and feral populations have sativa characteristics,
Whether you are in Africa, Asia or of course Russia!...
Whereas I've heard very little in the way of wild broad leaved Indica's.

Lebanese and Egyptian strains may be old crosses,
Perhaps African sativa x Asian Indica? No idea but it fits geographically.
Actually they are on about the same latitude as Morocco which has similar strains.
I find the pictures in Lawrence Cherniak's books, and R.C Clarke's, are invaluable.

Also I notice many landrace Indica's have sativa "phenotypes",
For example the Yarkhun collected by mriko.
I've grown Afghan strains for a few years outdoors and every generation they usually
revert to more sativa looking plants, especially during late veg and flower,
And this is @ 50N.

By the way not to be off topic but why cant I see My pic I posted?

 

[Alfred-cannaria]

Hi friends!!! great thread

Purple Afghan with a friend



More Purple Afghan plants from GP. This pheno began with several dark green colors, now, she are showing some blue and dark purple colors, is very difficult apreciate it in this pic, soon i´ll make pics.












She is other purple afghan with ligth green colors, smells like the sea bad pics by the wind









Two cuts from my Deep Chunk mother, very shinny females, now they are big and dark hehehe ( Yeeahhhh )

 

[TheHashAssassin]

hola herb me bro, that was the idea of this thread, to make the indica equivalent of the UST. I realized how much info on sativas has been collected in that thread, and decided that the indicas needed the same attention I will edit abit of info on my first pic there, but am leaving it alone for the most part, I like to avoid editing. However, I think it is vital to the collectiveness and intent of this thread to include as much information as possible on the genetics we are playing with and preserving. Ganja Pasha does a super job of this, you are very thorough bro.

Levant, do you know where your afghanis were collected? I have heard, and seen it in the few I have grown, that the southern afghanis do that, start out with super indica looking leaves that take on more of a sativa look to them as they get older.

Alfred brother, those are some luvly looking girls ya got there, glad to see ya found us

 

[ElectroSticky]

Regardless if a plant is an actual LANDRACE....

the plant is still going to have several Genotypes(sativas, indicas...).... that depending on the growing .. might show even more phenotypes ...(sativas, indicas...)....

I believe that by the name of the thread we are looking for Indica Landraces....

i have seen a lot of great sativa genotypes from ''MIDDLE EAST strains'' so far ...

But..

I believe a fine example of ''INDICA'' landraces would be raco's Uzbeckis...

all crosses made with that plant show such a great genotype .. as well as looking amazing.... and real INDICA...

 

[levant]

HashAssassin, I don't know the region this one was collected...
But various different Afghans and Pakistan strains seem to revert to
The finer leaves etc...
Yes the Indicas need more attention, that sativa thread is how many pages long now?
Looks like we got some catching up to do lol...
There is Loads of info in the thread
"Questions for Sam Skunkman on Hindu Kush Indica's"
It's great to have people like Ganja Pasha spreading their knowledge and educating us! Thanks.

I'd like to hear and discuss more about the different "highs" of Indica's
And the relationship between the environment and cannabinoid profile.
I believe much is genetically determined but dna is synonymous with the environment.

It's not fair that some smokers disregard the Indica effect as stupefying and narcotic, when in fact there are many clear headed and highly blissful Indicas.

 

[eskimo]

Purple (pakistani )
















1 love

 

[Dignan]

Kashmiri

Kashmiri

Fuck me blind. I keep losing my posts today! I'll make this really short.


People have PMed me today asking about the Kashmiri, so I'll post here for all. Wanted to pull my old report from Cannabis Eye, but they are down. Forgive me if my memory is off a bit...

Not a good outdoor plant. Low drought resistence. Does NOT finish by mid-September as Dr. Greenthumb suggests. Finished about October 10. Works for me, though.

This is 2005/6 stock... when he called it Kashmiri Hashplant rather than Resin Factory, btw. Supposedly IBL... I've noticed a blue-green and a lime-green plant. Both are very nice.

Fat, resinous colas made up of dozens of golfballs. Great yielder. Great bag appeal.

Berry/fruity and floral. Not perfume yuck floral... field of tulips floral. The smells and flavors are one of the Kashmiri's finest attributes. Really nice.

Two week cure, smoke test- unimpressed. Put it away... 6 weeks later, smoked some again and it blew my mind. This is one of those whose potency increases dramatically with a proper/extended cure. Went from very average to being a standout smoke.

I made some Kashmiri seed and also crossed this sub-par outdoor plant with my best-ever outdoor plant (in terms of drought/mold/insects) in the hopes of finding some really nice gems and growing them for the next couple decades. I am growing those Kashmiri x Blue Dragon this year outdoors.


KBD:


I think that's it. Whew, didn't erase my post this time.

Peace-

Dignan

 

[levant]

eskimo, lovely pics!

Dignan, the Kashmiri sounds sweet,
I've always wanted to try "Big Laughing", also a supposed landrace.
Anyone grow this one?

How about the different smells of our beloved fat leaved ones?
I was never fond of the skunk/shit aromas...
I just love Afghan strains with the musky/acrid/citrus lemon smells
That usually develop into middle eastern familiars like figs and dates!

Here is some Pakistani.

 

[Pops]

Dignan, that KBD looks great! I know what you mean about fucking up posts.LOL I have been looking for unworked land race seeds to find a high CBD strain for med users. Just got some Deep chunk, Pine tar Kush and SCBB x PTK x SCBB in. Have some Chinese Yunnan Indicas going now. Will be starting some hemp seeds soon.

 

[Dignan]

IMO, Kashmiri Resin Factory from Greenthumb is a great plant, but not what I would consider an IBL. There is a bit of variation in the seeds he sells and, according to a friend who has worked with it over the past couple years quite a bit, there is a bit more variation when you make beans from the KRF and grow them out. It's fairly stable, but not an IBL.

And I seriously doubt it's truly a landrace. From what I've heard/read, Greenthumb is the real deal and sources his seeds himself, cares about the cannabis plant... but I do think the KRF is a Kashmiri outcrossed, then stabilized somewhat. Just my 2 coins.

Dig

 

[dogsnob]

heres a few kasmir hashplant pics as well fellas

 

[Goldenseed]

Thanks alot Dignan!!

@dogsnob: Is this one also from Dr.Greenthumb or an other source? Looks very good...how´s the smoke?

Greetz Goldenseed

 

[Ras Pablo]

eskimo, lovely pics!

Dignan, the Kashmiri sounds sweet,
I've always wanted to try "Big Laughing", also a supposed landrace.
Anyone grow this one?

How about the different smells of our beloved fat leaved ones?
I was never fond of the skunk/shit aromas...
I just love Afghan strains with the musky/acrid/citrus lemon smells
That usually develop into middle eastern familiars like figs and dates!

Here is some Pakistani.

So beauty no pics of the flowers

 

[muddy waters]

hello everyone, great thread... i have also been intrigued by the origin of the 'indica' phenotype in cannabis, where it can be traced to, how many varieties of it exist, that sorta thing...

really loved the pics, Raco, BH good to see you guys again, been away

 

[Raco]

Dignan, that KBD looks great! I know what you mean about fucking up posts.LOL I have been looking for unworked land race seeds to find a high CBD strain for med users. Just got some Deep chunk, Pine tar Kush and SCBB x PTK x SCBB in. Have some Chinese Yunnan Indicas going now. Will be starting some hemp seeds soon.

...and a couple of moroccans,if everything works out well... :wink:

Muddy good to see you! :wink:

 

[aspirinka]

i got photos of land raced indicas but not able to post pictures all these look great fav indies uzbek ,affe, paki, nepali and lebs

 

[Ganja baba]

land race shimla

land race shimla

here is my land race indica , I picked her up in the shimla mountains .
i was at the hanuman temple and got talking to the guy who looks after the monkeys , cause the monkeys had stolen my friends glasses lol , we had to pay the monkey some food to get um back,it was march and to cold in the mountains for ganja , but i asked for seeds and he said there were some in the temple plates, he gave me a hand full , this has been one of my main breeding plants ,she tastes of the afghan that made sk1 , cheese , blue berry , antiseptic , earthy ,hash , Nepalese berry hash and spicy in a none sativa way
when i cross with her she is so dominant , and passes on vigour compared to her at p1 pure form ... she likes little ,if any food . finishes with small but tight dense buds ... and very unique tasting ...
ill do a high land and low land punjab Indian thread soon …
There are some nice land race indicas in this thread , those purple pakis look good.















not shimla but highland Punjab


hanuman ji temple










goats cheese = uk cheese x shimla


pinequeen = uk pineapple x shimla




you can see how dominant the shimla is in the crosses ,

 

[highroller]

Nice thread Hash Assassin and great shots and comments all.......

Thought I might post a couple shots of Breeder's Choice Chitrali which I believe qualifies as a landrace strain. Pleasure to grow and smoke for sure.