The Landrace Indica thread

[bonecarver_OG]

exactly

aplying same harvest methods on all strains unregarding tests etc for finding the perfect moment in the "harvest window" is a misstake.

but then again - the high people want is a different, so many different tastes..

but yeah sometimes some people might write off a strain as not potent etc because harvesting too late.

best thing is to harvest at different intervals during the harvest window and determine ones favourite moment.

this really gets obvious after growing same pheno for a period of time, experiencing all aspects of its different stages.

for example my keeper pheno of SSH x PTK looses almost all of its good flavour and nice high if harvested too late. while on the other hand it is highly psycho active from very very early on in flowering. harvested late it gets a much more sleepy sedative non productive - but medical high. personally i like to harvest a week or so before it gets to that stage - since i smoke and work fysically and something sedating would mean i get less productive/motivated.

now for my COOP partner, VEND, the medical part of the same pheno is the high he prefeers due to his need of a painkilling effect. harvesting at different intervals in the coop grows makes both of us happy.

as his mates put it about the keeper pheno harvested late; " you dont know your high untill you suddenly fall asleep"

peace all!

 

[Thule]

Especially some mostly sativa hybrids are at their best when not flowered too long. That extra two weeks might bring out the indica side and ruin the head high and psychoactivity.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

but as said before its not allways a question of potency.

skunkman has gone thru that thing well allready.

what i might find a great smoke might send some other smoker to the bathroom puking from a white out. not the same high is apreciated by everyone.

maybe it should get renamed to "percieved psycho-activity" because in the end its not something that can be measured more than in a percieved way - i.e. the feeling felt by the smoker when he is enjoying the high the most.

this soon goes from science to philosofy.

peace all!

 

[ngakpa]

mriko may step in and correct me on this, but from an indica point of view, the best charas is made by leaving the plants as late as possible cf. the colour of great Mazar and Sheberghan garda

(this should really be called the landrace WLD indica thread btw, as all drug cannnabis strains are indicas - Thais and other narrow leaflet ganja strains are NLD indicas cf. Hillig)

 

[hulkbogan]

Old BC Afghani Kush ....

 

[bonecarver_OG]

some quotes;

HASHISH
The Exotic Elixir
By: Ezrider


Welcome, Allow me to usher you into the den of tranquility. We shall
utilize Hashish as our guide to exotic places. as the aroma fills your
head, the sweet tingling is felt deep within your lungs. gliding
effortlessly on heights of Hash to the east and the land of charras.

Ah, Nepal!! The country with the highest mountain and it's Hash offers
an incredible altitude also. For thousands of years hashish has been
utilized by the inhabitants as both a medicinal herb and as an
intoxicant.

There are several countries that produce Hash, but only two basic types
can be produced. These are either pollen or resin Hash. Nepal, which
yields the resin variety, is known to have potentially the most
powerful resin Hash. However, because the resins must be gathered by
man, there are many variables that must be considered in seeking the
highest quality resin Hash.

Resin is gathered by hand-rubbing the Cannibis Indica, which is the
Asian variety of marijuana. Proper care must be taken when rubbing the
plants to insure maximum quality. To the unconcerned rubber, the plant
is lifeless, to be attacked and wutilated so as to squeeze the joy juice
from it's leaves and stalk, thus getting unnecessary weed fiber mixed
with the resin. Others respect the herb and treat their plants with
tenderness. They will converse with the plant as their hands gently
stroke it, knowing that they are stimulating their mistress to secrete
it's precious sap for them. When properly rubbed, the plant lives on and
continues to produce resin until the rains comes to bring the harvest
season to an end. So the wise harvester can visit his herbal lady daily,
caressing her and building up the sparkling resins on his hands. The
hands are periodically rubbed together to adhere the resin and form
little beads of sticky Hash. More and more rubbing produces a sufficient
amount of beads to be formed into balls or fingers of pugnent Hash.

A tremendous amount of man hours are required to obtain a quantity of
Hash and it's not unlikely for a hard working Hash rubber to gather only
a kilo during the two month harvest season. This directly affects the
market price and, of course, the availability, but considering the
potential for quality this laboring can be easily rationalized. Since
this actual labor is involved why not produce the very best? Easily
said, but other variables must now be considered. The altitude of the
plants should be mentioned as an important factor in resin production as
the best plants thrive at the elevation between 5,000 and 7,000 feet.
There is a Hash belt spanning thousands of miles and several countries,
winding it's way through the Himalayan mountain range. Before you grab
your hiking boots, let me say that not every hillside is covered with
resin dripping plants because other factors are involved. For instance,
the temperatures and the amount of daily exposure to the energy giving
sun are controlling factors in the growth of a premimium plant. During
the summer months the plants will protect themselves from the intensity
of the sun by secreting resins. Thus the harvester is collecting the
juices that flow from the plant rather that milking it.

Another variable of quality is the precipitation level. Understandably
the rains wash the resins away, so one must gather the vital fluids when
the plant is near or at it's maximum output. If the harvester waits too
long the resin may be carried away by the monsoons. Also, if the plant
is rubbed early in the morning while the dew is still clinging to it,
the water will accumulate with the resin. This usually makes the Hash
harsh in the upper throat when smoked and will also cause the Hash to
mold. This whitish mold is often mistaken for opium, but rarely will
this be the case. Sometimes water is intentionally rubbed on the outside
of a group of Nepalese fingers or a ball. This will cause a mold to form
on the outside which will harden it and create crust to protect the
moist interior. This is the basic packaging and protection of the Hash,
but freshness can only exist for a short period this way.

Occasionally resin has been adulterated with ghee or wax. The 'ghee',
which is animal or vegetable oil, is used as a coating on the hands to
assist the gathering of the resins and also as a binder to aid in
adhering. This is also true with wax, and sometimes water might be
introduced as a momentary binder. These adulterations do not yield pure
highest quality Hash for the purest resin will adhere to itself. When
considering the legend of opiated Hash, one should realize that opium
smokers prefer pure opium and the Hash consumers prefer the purest
Hash. If opium and Hash are mixed together it is usually because both
are of low grade and when combined might become marketable.

Our journey to Nepal has been brief but I hope all will make the trip
again. Nepal was the last country in the world to make Hashish
"illegal", but the Hash culture will witness the rise and fall of the
prohibition. We shall explore new haights on further adventures into the
realm of Hash. Until then, Best of Bowls! "Bom Bhola!!"


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Another file downloaded from: The NIRVANAnet(tm) Seven

Rubbing charas from young plant is only made for commercial purpose, the stuff from this is not that great.

 

[ngakpa]

hey --- can't help being pedantic, but I've got to correct that article you quoted Bonecarver...

Nepal produces both sieved ("pollen") charas, and handrubbed charas too

the handrubbed charas is more traditional, but the pollen produced in Nepal can be as good as the best Mazar-i-Sharif

sieved Nepalesed from squat "indicas"

notice the discolouration from handling - soft and melty with heat --- the high is in a whole different league from Moroccan

traditional handrubbed jungli


adulterated handrub - cut to buggery - what most backpackers smoke

 

[bonecarver_OG]

yeah man - it sounds like its written by someone whow doesn know too much.. but its quite well writen hehe

i mean i added mrikos quote because his statement pretty much sums up the real deal.

that last lumps in the pics look horrible!

peace

 

[ngakpa]

I've seen the left piece in the third photo selling for about 8Euros per g in "reputable" Amsterdam coffeeshops

the top piece of sieved hash is very, very good - hard to tell from the photo i know, but that would fetch at least 12Euros per g in the Dam

 

[levant]

ngakpa the middle pic is lovely, you can just see the natural purity of that
high altitude hand rubbed hash.

Recently I've had some very nice, sandy colored polm type hash,
most likely Moroccan it has a real nice taste and high - very clean and gives me the munchies which I like!
The smell is spicy pungent incense.
You can just "click" chunks of this stuff off easy with your nail,
then with a little pressure between your thumb and forefinger and it will
crumble to dust.
Now it's certainly pure, but I wonder what grade it is?
Can anyone give me some more clues to the origins of this hash?

 

[bonecarver_OG]

levant - its moroccan - a light pressed one. but you got to say if it bubbles or melts etc - to determine quality better.

ngakppa - the drysieve looks amazing!

peace

 

[ElAhrJi]

ElAhrJi:

Please do us the honor of a smoke report when you are ready,would you?

Not a lot to say...

Pure indica...heavy body with no tought provoking effects...

 

[Pops]

hey Bonecarver_OG

may I just jump in?

I know Mriko is using some landrace charas indicas - i.e. strains which should contain CBD

med users need CBD - ideally three parts CBD to 1 part THC!

but this thing you are saying about CBD developing at the end of flowering is a myth and a misconception that people really need to stop spreading --- as far as I know, the ratio of CBD to THC in a particular plant does not change during flowering cf. SamS work) --- the ratio of CBD to THC is genetically determined and will stay the same throughout flowering

traditional ganja varities (NarrowLeaflet Dominant indicas) such as Thai, Kerala etc. contain almost exclusively THC.... over many centuries seeds are retained from special strong plants, the reslut being a strong selective pressure in favour of potency

by contrast:

charas and hashish indicas have more CBD due to the nature of the selective presures created by the techniques used to create hashish and charas -- i.e. sieved or rubbed charas is created from many many different plants, with no focuse on specific plants, mixing and pooling seeds after production --- the end result is that the hashish genepool contains plants some of which are pure THC, some of which have both THC and CBD, and some which are pure CBD


you should check the more authoritative posts of SamSkunkman and POps and then follow the references they give to the most recent, up to date and authorative research on the relevance of CBD (cf. Rafael Mechoulam) in pain-relief, and the many many medical uses of CBD --- CBD would seem to be way more important than THC in medical uses

99.99% of Western drug breeds contain almost no CBD

leaving a plant late increases certain kinds of psychoactive terpenes which have a synergetic effect with THC and sometimes can produce a more sedative effect - but this is nothing to do with CBD... (I believe I am right in saying that THC can degrade to CBN which produces a more fuzzy, confused effect, but again, this is nothing to do wioth CBD)

only plants with a Bd allele procuce CBD --
consciously or unknowingly, Western breeders would select against CBD as it is a THC antagonist - it inhibits the effect of THC

most western strains contain two Bt alleles, as with most old world ganja strains, and two BT alleles = lots of THC... over centuries ganja using populations wouold tend to retain seeds from specific plants making for a greater selective presure for potency --- so the big THC strains come from places with a deep ganja culture... anywhere in the tropis basically, esp. anywhere that Indians have been (everywhere)

med users should start looking for CBD strains with Bd alleles --- eg old world hahish strains which have not been tampered with by Western breeders... these are oftern WLD charas strains, but also de any cultivars from charas regions: from Afghanistan through Pakistan, Chitral, Kashmir, to Himachal Pradesh in India in particular... once you reach Nepal you are on the brink of a more BtBt ganja region = more THC

for more context check out the work of Karl Hillig - he has done a paper on the chemotaxonomy of cannabis

above all else -- med users need CBD and most strains in the med scene in the US have no cbd at all!!!

time to introduce some CBD genetics to Americas med users --- I feel some real pain relief on the way!!!

Thanks for making me sound more intelligent than I really am. You are absolutely correct that CBD is either there genetically or it isn't. Far too many folks confuse CBD with CBN. CBN is a degraded form of THC about 1/10 as psychoactive. It is not present in fresh plants harvested at the peak of THC production. As the plant gets more amber, there is more CBN. CBN also forms as curing buds are exposed to air and light.

Your Sheberghan and Mazar are in the 3rd week of flower. The Sheberghan look far better than the mazar, which don't seem to like indoor growing. there are 2 phenos on the Sheberghan. I had 7 males and 6 females. I got 3 females that are about 5'2" in 5 gal pots and are 24" across. I have 3 females that are 32-36" tall and 8-10" across. They will be ideal for a hydro SOG that I plan next. They have many short branches and may yield quite well in a SOG. The Mazar do not look happy and never have. I believe you said that this was the first time they had been grown indoors. Both the Mazar and Sheberghan look like a cross between WLD and NLD(indica and sativa). They look nothing like the Kush type Afghan.

Speaking of CBD, my friend in Israel who worked in Mechoulams lab said that they had tested Raco's Paki X-18 and it had a fair amount of CBD. I would imagine that your Laspur and Hindu Kush#1 will as well.

 

[levant]

Hi Bonecarver,
It melts, but when I looked closely and put a wind proof lighter
(not zippo/petrol I mean the blow-torch type) to it - it does indeed bubble!
The resulting ash is not a very pure white but more Grey.
Either way lovely stuff and I'm gonna bill one now.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

then i think you can just call it moroc zerozero mate imho sounds like it

peace

 

[North]

this is an indica thread and you guys are talking hash? J/K
Love the looks of the jungli!

I'm still drooling over Raco's cabbage, though his pic in the afghan kush thread really blows my mind.(cant figure out how to post it here)
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=93840

has anyone ran the cannabiogen taskenti? if so,how is it, any details to share?

I'm looking at taskenti on the high end or lapis mountain indica on the low end of the price spectrum, for some pollen chucking to develop a homebrew outdoor strain.

 

[KindHypnos]

Definately subscribed to this one! Excellent thread!!

Thanks to all who've contributed, I hope to have something to add in the coming months.

-KH

 

[Black Ra1n]

Great read, thanks to all that contributed.

 

[Chaman]

indeed, interesting....of course those indicas unless put under lights here would never produce anything worth much, and the little it could produce unless during summer would rot to death.

I liked the read, great pics too ! I'd be interested in use'n the more pure land race indicas, but some many come from places that are hard to reach...jeje shit can't even pronouce the places yet alone find a way of contacting and gathering info from such places. Some places i'd be damn right scared too visit too...As I hear that there is alot of mafia involved in the hash busyness and even more in opium.

Indeed so many dreams of crosses to be made...yet the seed banks offer moslty the same crap.

Blessings,
Chaman

 

[bonecarver_OG]

im looking at the world map and trying to find a cultivation region of indicas at more or less same latitude as you mate.. and its not easy at all..

if there is any south indian indicas they might be interesting for you.. but i dont really know man..

maybe some hybrid would suut better the conditions?

btw - a fluorecent setup for vegging indicas is not necesarilly a big thing.. a low cabinet with fluoros would do the trick quite well im sure.

just avoiding to plant during rainy seasons?

peace!