The joint that's lit a second time

[Chevy cHaze]

Hey my dear Stoners,
Here's a question for all of you that I cannot fully figure out or at least I'm not sure 100%.


Why is it that a joint tastes by far the best when it's lit for the first time when you start smoking it?
After it has gone out in the ashtray and is picked up again and re-lit the taste is not halfway as good as right at the start.
Why oh Why!!!
Is it because

• There is little ash right when you start smoking that spoils the taste?
• The hot smoke vaporises the cannabinoids and terpenes further down the joint and carries them into your lungs so this weed becomes somewhat depleted before you actually smoke it?
• Do your tastebuds sort of lose sensitivity after the first couple good tokes?
• Or what?
• Does letting the joint go out cause this?
• would smoking the J in one sitting without letting it go out solve the problem? (ah that I will investigate right now)

I'm not bothered too much and will just smoke up, but if all tokes tasted as great as the first couple, that would be a great!
Maybe rolling smaller numbers and smoke in one sitting could help, or cutting off the ashes?



Interested to hear your thoughts!


CC

 

[Canna-bill]

I hate the taste of a relit joint or blunt! Like you say, it's just not the same. That's the main reason I moved to the bong, I can empty a bowl in one light and get that fesh weed taste every time.

 

[Gry]

A clean bong each and every session is the finest remedy I ever found.
Genuinely admire the timing involved.

 

[CannaRed]

I think it's the vaporization of the tars and they are accumulating on the unburnt joint.
When you relight it you are tasting all the stale smoke that solidified on the plant material.
Kinda like leaving smoke in a bong tastes nasty when stale.

 

[Switcher56]

I believe the heat generated, when smoking a joint is actually decarboxylating the weed somewhat, not to mention the tars produced during combustion, accumulating on the plant matter. Just look at the colour of the joint, near the filter. That tells the tale.

A bong, as others have said, will alleviate that, providing you don't overcrowd the bowl and don't relight the bottom for the lack of a better word.

One way to avoid that totally... is to use a vaporizer.

PS: The same shit happened when relighting a cig, that was left in an ashtray. It is the accumulation of tar remaining behind. You are better off smoking the enire cig or tossing it if you don't smoke it competently in one session. Your lungs will love you for it.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Cut your joint in half after you roll it.

You have two perfectly sized joints.

You may now avoid such issues.

You are welcome.



As to the cause of the issue I believe that all of your points are valid reasons and you are obviously logical enough to not need the peanut gallery....

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- I've found many half-joints - or long roaches - over the years - in odd places - and been VERY grateful to find them - even though they might taste real funky - they still get me high - and is especially great to find part of an old spliff - when you think you are dry -

- Why 2nd hand spliffs taste odd? - probably because you have already drawn combusted hot smoke thru all the 'erb in the spliff - and so it gets hot-smoke coated - so changing the whole bouquet/scent/taste of the 'erb -

 

[Switcher56]

Cut your joint in half after you roll it.

You have two perfectly sized joints.

You may now avoid such issues.

You are welcome.



As to the cause of the issue I believe that all of your points are valid reasons and you are obviously logical enough to not need the peanut gallery....

Problem solved

 

[yesum]

Same with tobacco cigs. I think nothing changes when it is sitting there. You got used to the gradual increase in tars and combusted stuff in the joint/cig as you smoked it the first time. Your palate clears and then when you smoke the second time you really notice the gunk build up in the taste.

If the taste is too bad the second time, then the answer is to smoke it all the way the first time or toss the roach or second part of the joint. I am dealing with this with cigs but with joints I do not smoke for taste so it all gets burned. I grow now so I can toss pot away and have or given it away, but the old habits of smoking it up to the last are still with me.

 

[flylowgethigh]

Ah yes, who hasn't gone on a roach scavenger hunt when dry? Cleaned pipes for the residue... better than none!

I believe that the heat passing through a doob releases the nice terps, which are more volitile. After a few hits the joint has changed and is becoming a resin/tar soaked doob, that has no more terps. First hits of a joint or pipe are always the best. After that, I pass it on.

This is why I have evolved to only hitting my material once in a heated chamber vape that has a pump to blow the heated air through the heated material. Power hit with a whip, pumping my lungs full of terpy goodness. Makes them feel lighter and clean afterwards. A guy with damaged lungs from an hot steamy industrial accident had the same effect, saying his lungs didn't feel "heavy" afterwards.

That same oil that sticks to the material in the roach, is also sticking to the inside of your lungs, sticking the sacs closed. Even with a volcano, the inside of the bag gets really sticky. The inside of my whip is pretty damn clean, and I am almost to 3 pounds of material through it since new last Feb. This technique will go through material! The first 8 inches of the clear whip show some almost clear liquid that has condensed. That is all. Lungs feel great. An old guy like me needs to keep what little he has left, and SPO2 in the low-mid 90's wants clean lungs.

I save the one-hit ABV and make butter for cookies. About 80-100 gr ABV to a pound of butter. The trick is eating the cookies fast enough to keep up, so I give them away to folks sometimes. That pound of butter cooks down to about half, and will make about 100 cookies with 80-100 mg each (assuming 10% ABV).

Toss the residual mash out somewhere - like on the grass. Evidence gone.

 

[billy_big_bud!]

one observation i have made in this regard is not related to taste but to potency. i have noticed that if you smoke half of a spliff or blunt and then put it out and re light it the next day there seems to be a slight increase in potency. i dont know if it is psychological or if the period of time marinating bumps potency up a little but that sure seems to be the case based on my observations. kinda like food tastes better the day after you cook it.

 

[flylowgethigh]

one observation i have made in this regard is not related to taste but to potency. i have noticed that if you smoke half of a spliff or blunt and then put it out and re light it the next day there seems to be a slight increase in potency. i dont know if it is psychological or if the period of time marinating bumps potency up a little but that sure seems to be the case based on my observations. kinda like food tastes better the day after you cook it.

I believe that is the active oils which vapor off at a higher temp, condensing on the remaining material (the filtration effect). The material is "stronger" now. Waxes and tars have also accumulated.

Leftover fridge food, like pizza, tastes better cause you reached for it when you were hungry or had a carb impulse, and it satisfy'd that urge. Carbs are sneaky little bastards.

 

[armedoldhippy]

cigars are the same way. tars etc re-absorb in the tobacco as you draw. a GOOD cigar tastes good, until it is about half gone. a BAD cigar tastes like shit from the start... i'm going to start cutting my cigars in half & re-sealing unsmoked parts. good thinking to all...

 

[Switcher56]

one observation i have made in this regard is not related to taste but to potency. i have noticed that if you smoke half of a spliff or blunt and then put it out and re light it the next day there seems to be a slight increase in potency. i dont know if it is psychological or if the period of time marinating bumps potency up a little but that sure seems to be the case based on my observations. kinda like food tastes better the day after you cook it.

I believe that is the active oils which vapor off at a higher temp, condensing on the remaining material (the filtration effect). The material is "stronger" now. Waxes and tars have also accumulated.

Leftover fridge food, like pizza, tastes better cause you reached for it when you were hungry or had a carb impulse, and it satisfy'd that urge. Carbs are sneaky little bastards.

^^ what he said ^^

 

[Switcher56]

cigars are the same way. tars etc re-absorb in the tobacco as you draw. a GOOD cigar tastes good, until it is about half gone. a BAD cigar tastes like shit from the start... i'm going to start cutting my cigars in half & re-sealing unsmoked parts. good thinking to all...

I can attest to that

 

[flylowgethigh]

cigars are the same way. tars etc re-absorb in the tobacco as you draw. a GOOD cigar tastes good, until it is about half gone. a BAD cigar tastes like shit from the start... i'm going to start cutting my cigars in half & re-sealing unsmoked parts. good thinking to all...

You will lose all that filtration effect of the last half.

Ever vaped pipe tobbaco? Broke buddy used to roll his own cigs with the stuff cause it saved money.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

I think it's the vaporization of the tars and they are accumulating on the unburnt joint.
When you relight it you are tasting all the stale smoke that solidified on the plant material.
Kinda like leaving smoke in a bong tastes nasty when stale.

I guess that's part of it but how nasty hahaha
Might have to resort to bong and vaporiser again after all.
Just love the way a joint hits differently ;-)


Great feedback all, and I tried earlier today to smoke the whole thing at once, it's still the same for the last 1/4 of the joint (maybe worth just shy of a gram).
I really didn't think about this before... roll one up, take a few tokes, put it aside... come back, smoke more... until it's gone. But the taste was never there and in the refuge of my home I have become somewhat of a pot snob
I grow my own, so I don't have to worry about efficient smoking hehehe.
When I'm on the road or somewhere else, I'm still the same old wolverine...


CC

 

[Switcher56]

Great feedback all, and I tried earlier today to smoke the whole thing at once, it's still the same for the last 1/4 of the joint (maybe worth just shy of a gram).
I really didn't think about this before... roll one up, take a few tokes, put it aside... come back, smoke more... until it's gone. But the taste was never there and in the refuge of my home I have become somewhat of a pot snob
I grow my own, so I don't have to worry about efficient smoking hehehe.
When I'm on the road or somewhere else, I'm still the same old wolverine...


CC

The joints of the '70s were no where near the size of the joints today, and although approx the size of 1/3 of a cigarette, packed on hell of a punch., Today not so much so. Yeah, the last 1/4 is what I am talking about.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Ahhhh the collective wisdom of IC members- nothing beats it!
My plan of attack from now on will be roll a fatty, then cut it in two!
And smoke two thicc but shorter joints!
Or break out the glassware again, or use the vaporiser.
Thanks again to all for weighing in on this.
CC

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Hey my dear Stoners,
Here's a question for all of you that I cannot fully figure out or at least I'm not sure 100%.


Why is it that a joint tastes by far the best when it's lit for the first time when you start smoking it?
After it has gone out in the ashtray and is picked up again and re-lit the taste is not halfway as good as right at the start.
Why oh Why!!!
Is it because

• There is little ash right when you start smoking that spoils the taste?
• The hot smoke vaporises the cannabinoids and terpenes further down the joint and carries them into your lungs so this weed becomes somewhat depleted before you actually smoke it?
• Do your tastebuds sort of lose sensitivity after the first couple good tokes?
• Or what?
• Does letting the joint go out cause this?
• would smoking the J in one sitting without letting it go out solve the problem? (ah that I will investigate right now)

I'm not bothered too much and will just smoke up, but if all tokes tasted as great as the first couple, that would be a great!
Maybe rolling smaller numbers and smoke in one sitting could help, or cutting off the ashes?



Interested to hear your thoughts!


CC

My first thought is your trichome density and terpene retention are low. Yes, there should be a slight difference due to the most fragile monoterpenes being vaped off in the first hit, but any decent strain should have plenty left for even the last hits on the roach.

The cleaner the cannabis, higher the trichome density and greater the terpene retention, the closer the last hit taste is like the first.

EVEN YOUR EXHALE should taste and smell good. Joint or bowl, there should be very little built up 'burnt plant/whatever' flavor by the end.