The Haze discussion thread

[JohnnyChicago]

In my friends circle, we did all find the SSH to much commercial when it first came out.
We often called it the Haze of the decline.
Only to give you our perspective of 20+ years ago.

And indeed the haziness cannot be compared to A5, C5 or NH etc. that are straight Haze crosses.
Mango Haze for the same reeason too.

I would take the OH and outcross it to Mango or SSH. Or other commercial Hazes, to restore some haziness. If that is the problem, the haziness.

Below Star Crashs 1997 SSH F3.

 

[Bnyest]

I would take the OH and outcross it to Mango or SSH. Or other commercial Hazes, to restore some haziness.

I pollinated Mango A5 with Todd’s OH. I got one going right now

 

[GreenAndFast]

In my friends circle, we did all find the SSH to much commercial when it first came out.
We often called it the Haze of the decline.
Only to give you our perspective of 20+ years ago.

And indeed the haziness cannot be compared to A5, C5 or NH etc. that are straight Haze crosses.
Mango Haze for the same reeason too.

I would take the OH and outcross it to Mango or SSH. Or other commercial Hazes, to restore some haziness. If that is the problem, the haziness.

Below Star Crashs 1997 SSH F3.

Looks super hazey

 

[Piff_cat]

wow that ssh is awesome. i grew ssh in like 2008 cant remember which one but it was some stank. imo the dilution of the lines comes from taking it past f1 without proper selection which was pretty tough back then since alot of the metrics werent avilable to test. but it is definitly possible to make good f2s out of nevs work. hempys look nice, tropical seeds got the f2s from the 91 sensi release and those plants are at like f5 now and absolutely fire. stickman2006 has a thread at mns his plants are beautiful. which is pretty funny because they are so clearly different then what shanti is offering.nev also made some real nice f2s that mac has done work with if you select extreme outliers in the f1(top 10%) and make f2s you can create transgressive segregation. this is an excellent article on nevils work by sungrown midz
https://beardbrospharms.com/2021/04/nevil-schoenmakers-breeding-the-culture/
all of these plants by sticky are progeny of 5hzc f2s. extreme haze is the transgressive throwback pheno crossed to an oth green male and the inbred 5hzc is at f4

 

[Hammerhead]

There is an SSH cup cut here in Cali. I have no clue what year it came from. It's been here for over 10 years. I'll see if I can get more info on it.

 

[@hempy]

For the record, you’re the only one talking about the mango haze inbred’s breeding.
I’ve been talking about the regular mango haze release. which is apparently Nl5HzC x SkHzA.
I’ve gone through an auction pack of about 90 seeds of the mango haze and 2 packs of the Mango Haze Inbred. I made f2s and several crosses. I gave alot of those original seeds away to friends. No keepers have been found so far. I like mango haze alright, but stuff like simply irresistible and punto rojo check more boxes for me.

No i have said that the Test seed Mango Haze was a different Animal to any Mango Haze sold and any one that was there knows this.

 

[@hempy]

I grew the SSH and to be honest i did not like it at all i must be one of the few that didn't like it.

This also came from seed Nevil made.

 

[Donald Mallard]

No i have said that the Test seed Mango Haze was a different Animal to any Mango Haze sold and any one that was there knows this.

what was the difference ??,
where are the test grows of the apparent new variety pre release ?
how long between your test finishing and the release of the "new" variety ??

why is there so much mystery surrounding this when the lineage should be clear cut and the breeder shouldn't make mistakes listing it should he??

 

[Hammerhead]

Here she is 1998 SSH.. She won a few cups..

 

[regseeds]

....

 

[@hempy]

In the spirit of us all loving this plant i will respond Donald.

Shanti started a test seed Thread at CW 2001/2002 and offered 10 people Mango Haze and Shit Haze test seed i was lucky and got both.

People started to report back telling shanti they were culling the plants as the MH test seed were not practical in their opinion for indoors as they grew like Jungle sativas and they did only 2 people honored the test seed deal and grew them to completion they were Me and Jesse.

Because the Mango haze was reported as not being practical Shanti re worked it before releasing it.

Now that didn't happen until much later because of the Swiss drama and the Mango Haze finally went public i think around 2005.

When the Mango Haze was finally released and people started growing them and posting pics we then knew it the released version was different to the test seed.

The only information we had regarding the test seed at the time was it was a sister plant to SSH but it used a different father to SSH that was it.

Nevil was the first to tell me the father was SkxHzA.

Then Shanti had posted this

Originally posted by shantibaba

SSH is made up of Haze C combined to Skunk 1 or Skunk HzC which is the male side, the female side is Haze C combined to NL5 or NL5HzC

the Mango comes from a parallel cross same as SSH but with one difference

Haze A male combined to Sk 1 or Sk HzA being the male plant, the female is NL5HzC....that is the breeding of those three plants

This

Is found here
https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/mang...0/#post-194410

 

[CannaT]

Here she is 1998 SSH.. She won a few cups..

This is what goes around as Core cut in Europe SSH98' There is also I think 99 and 97...one of that two is bit more peppery and lemony compared to Core cut/that SSH98 you posted.

I found out info on my cut today that
In 80s, Haze was imported from California to the Netherlands. Several crossings followed, the one with the male Northern Lights, give the Amnesia Haze.
So is it possible that old school Amnesia come from Haze x NL1 1988 catalogue ?

Anybody know more about that.....here is the picture of that Amnesia cut behind this story its the same as my cut that I Have NL5 x haze or maybe haze x nl...

my cut

 

[Donald Mallard]

In the spirit of us all loving this plant i will respond Donald.

Shanti started a test seed Thread at CW 2001/2002 and offered 10 people Mango Haze and Shit Haze test seed i was lucky and got both.

People started to report back telling shanti they were culling the plants as the MH test seed were not practical in their opinion for indoors as they grew like Jungle sativas and they did only 2 people honored the test seed deal and grew them to completion they were Me and Jesse.

Because the Mango haze was reported as not being practical Shanti re worked it before releasing it.

Now that didn't happen until much later because of the Swiss drama and the Mango Haze finally went public i think around 2005.

When the Mango Haze was finally released and people started growing them and posting pics we then knew it the released version was different to the test seed.

The only information we had regarding the test seed at the time was it was a sister plant to SSH but it used a different father to SSH that was it.

Nevil was the first to tell me the father was SkxHzA.

Then Shanti had posted this





This
filedata/fetch?id=18076260&d=1645139403
Is found here
https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/mang...0/#post-194410

then why in the quotes the other guys have put up he said skunk hzA for the father ??
which is it ?? and why would he say two different lineages for the same variety ,
is it just to confuse , was he confused ,, what is the go ,
it kinda seems like a guy who says there is no mystery in the genetics like other breeders,
has then made a mystery of the genetics involved ,
quite a contradiction wouldnt you say ??

you can read the previous quotes from him surely and see he said skunk x haze A for the father and not haze C ??

 

[@hempy]

What shanti posts has nothing to do with me you know that so feel free to contact him and ask him your self.

You asked me for the history i posted it nothing more i can offer.

I was reading and posting in Mr nice from 2000 i also grew the test seed i can only tell you what i know to be factual.

Shanti described the Mango Haze test seed as a sister plant to SSH but it used a different father to SSH that was it.

Can you please remove Ragseeds post as i find that offensive and if i had posted that i would be on a week ban.

 

[Donald Mallard]

man i can see why i never bothered with the lineages of mns stuff ,
too may mysteries , too much drama between the members over it all ,
all i was worried about was did the plants grow well and produce good pot ,
the rest i gladly leave for others to argue and debate ,

while i like scott ,, it bothers me that he allowed so much mystery to surround some of the lineages ,
one wonders if he did it on purpose so folks would have heated debates ,
which does tend to become advertising for the variety in a round about way ,
anyhow that sort of stuff is not why im on the internet ,
im here to mingle with like minded folks and share a common interest in harmony ,
im here for enjoyment and fun ...
anything other than that ruins the experience for me ...

 

[@hempy]

CANNATORIUM people have pointed out that Nevil in some of the old catalogues had put the male first and female second in some of the strain description.

I had a fast look for you but cant find it will try and look for it again later.

It was brought up in one of the threads at Mr Nice not sure what one and most of them threads a large.

 

[Donald Mallard]

What shanti posts has nothing to do with me you know that so feel free to contact him and ask him your self.

You asked me for the history i posted it nothing more i can offer.

I was reading and posting in Mr nice from 2000 i also grew the test seed i can only tell you what i know to be factual.

Shanti described the Mango Haze test seed as a sister plant to SSH but it used a different father to SSH that was it.

Can you please remove Ragseeds post as i find that offensive and if i had posted that i would be on a week ban.

yea but we were all wondering is it just your history ,
or is it the history ,
if it conflicts with what the breeder has said , then who are we to believe ,
you over the guy who made the seeds ? surely he knows what he is doing and saying and what parents he uses ...

regseeds post is not abusive , it has no profanities in it , and he is entitled to say what he feels ,
at least its not a lie like the things you have said about me in previous posts that you never back up ,
which is quite bad form i must say but i still left the posts intact ...

 

[LostTribe]

How can you expect any plant to produce its best if you over fertilizer it ?

This might be why you didnt like the SSH.

 

[@hempy]

yea but we were all wondering is it just your history ,
or is it the history ,
if it conflicts with what the breeder has said , then who are we to believe ,
you over the guy who made the seeds ? surely he knows what he is doing and saying and what parents he uses ...

regseeds post is not abusive , it has no profanities in it , and he is entitled to say what he feels ,
at least its not a lie like the things you have said about me in previous posts that you never back up ,
which is quite bad form i must say but i still left the posts intact ...

I will take it up with Gypsy or Cosmic Donald you cant have one rule for me and one for those attacking me.

 

[flylowgethigh]

I kinda hate to break this harmony, but I have a haze question. When I started a year ago, I bought the only haze I could find on the server fund.

https://www.icmag.com/forum/marijuan...a#post17990241

I popped some, to get Sativa experience so I could run some ICMag OHaze.

What can a guy expect from something like this? The female smells pretty good so far.

Female then male? So ... SKOH (female) + OHLP (male) ... overlay the OH, make SKOHLP? At least the plants had similar structure, and about the same amount of time to show sex.

Haze? What about the progidny?