the Hand Watering coco thread

[bonecarver_OG]

with canna coco nutes - using them in a soil/coco mix - will make less nutes do - if u use too much the risk of over nuting gets high.

mixes of soil/coco dont yield as well as pure coco - but it might give u the feel for it and the urge for more.

coco is a great soil amendment but its better to add it to soil after a cycle of use. that way the nutes contained within get recycled.

i think it sounds u can fix it.

peace

 

[B00st3d]

What PH do you water 70% coco 30%perlite? I did my first coco run with cococan/perlite and maybe 10 % fox farm ocean forest and 6.5 PH seemed to work well altho my plants seemed to yellow a few weeks b4 finishing.

Now Im using 50/50 cococan/perlite in my flowering rooms and been watering at 6.0-6.2 range. I also have a bunch of clones and seedlings in botanicare cocogro 70% and perlite 30% and been watering 6.0 but they dont seem to be nearly as happy as my cococan/perlite plants looked when they were young.

I think the cococan likes a slightly higher PH due to the worm castings. I wanna switch over totally to cocogro but Im still not convinced its better then cococan. If I continue with the cocogro/perlite setup should I be watering at 6.0? I heard that cococan is gettin discontinued so I might not have a choice.

And do you think GH nutes using the lucas formula is as good as using something like Canna or House and Garden brand? I been using the basic Advanced nutes line and think it sucks. So now Im gonna use up the rest of the flora series GH I have and was thinkin of goin to floranova because its one part. How would the flora series or floranova series compare to canna or H&G? Should I keep using cal mag? Im thinkin that theres enough calcium, magnesium and iron already in my nutes.

I think maybe even right now my plants have gotten too much calmag, some of them look great but several are yellowing and I dont think its from me not feeding enough. I think its either a slight PH problem or the fact that I have only flushed 2 times in 5 weeks of flowering. What do you think. Sorry my post is like a 10 headed monster, lotsa questions and concerns. Thanks guys

 

[NiteTiger]

I've always used FloraNova Bloom @ 8ml/gal with 5.8 Ph in my coco/perlite mixes, just treating them like any other hydro system.

 

[MeltingPOT]

Keep it simple...PH just under 6.0, rinsed coco, quality nutes.
Floranova @ 8ml/gal
Flora series @ 6micro/9bloom
Your plant will tell you if you need Cal-Mag by showing you deficiencies, depending on variety and your water source, of course, you may need it every watering...

Good luck.
MP

 

[Danknuggler]

I used to think mixing all kinds of things with coco would make it better and after a few runs with diferent things I found coco to be the best alone with nothing added period.Use coco nutes like canna or use heads/rez's gh flora nute formula and keep ph 5.8-6ish and you'll be fine.Seriously I use only canna A+B and cal mag and get killer results so far.Check it out, herijuana.

 

[B00st3d]

Why would I need to rise cocogro? Cocogro is supposed to be top notch and prepared well. And your Flora Series isnt the right ratio.

I been using water from a Tall Boy sediment/chlorine filter and it comes out around 200ppm according to my milwaukee TDS pen. I guess I will lower my water PH to 5.8-5.9 on my cocogro plants and see how it goes. But what about all the flowering plants I have in cococan/perlite ? Should the PH be closer to 6.2 or so? Should I stop using floranectar, silica blast, calmag and liquid karma? Im thinkin maybe I will start using the lucas formula every other watering alternating with plain ph'ed water.

NiteTiger do you use anything else? And what kinda coco do you use?

The Lucas formula was designed for ebb and flow and dwc, what about coco? Is 8ml of floranova the same for rockwool, hydroton and coco? Treat it all the same? I thought nutes built up in coco alot more so then in pebbles and rockwool so wouldnt I wanna use a lil less ?

 

[NiteTiger]

I use whatever coco happens to be on sale when I go to the hydro store

The only other thing I use is molasses, but that's not a nute component. Well, it can help prevent very minor CalMag problems, but that's not its intended function.

I do keep a bottle of CalMag on hand, but I haven't had to use it once I got used to coco. My main issue in learning coco was a matter of relearning - I wasn't paying attention to my runoff PH. That caused a def, but I quickly sourced the problem with help here in the coco section.

So once I got settled in my new medium, it was a breeze. Water once a day, and re-PH the coco as needed.

I'd also like to clarify your statement on the Lucas forumla. The Lucas Formula was developed for Cannabis - the nutritional needs of the plant are the same, no matter how it is grown.

FNB is basically lucas in a bottle, that's why the 8ml/G works so well in any hydro system. Any.

 

[AndreNicky]

U might wanna PH as low as 5.6, that way your plants will be able to absorb all needed nutrients as the ph drifts upwards

 

[MeltingPOT]

ASSuming that yer talking to me Boost....how bout this...

Yer a negative prick...

My flora series is the right ratio to grow bomb, but then again....that's what I do...

Good day, and good luck...
MP

 

[B00st3d]

Ok Nite Tiger I was just recalling what I read in Lucas's thread bout nutrients buildin up in coco and dirt but not in hydroton and rockwool. Just wanna make sure Im not gonna be givin them too much. I'll be switching over to floranova I think once my further along flowering room is done in 3-4 weeks. All the plants that are takin their place will be on floranova.I just wanna use up the rest of this flora series so it doesnt go to waste.
Deleted my original post cuz its not even worth goin back and forth with you Meltingpot

 

[Mountain High]

hey guys! first time with coco here and was wondering how much cal mag to add... do you follow what they recommend on the bottle or what do you guys recommend? im using floranova nutes for now, EC 1.1 ph 5.8. the plants are 3 weeks from seed. i started to notice the deficiency a few days ago.
Mtn High

 

[GET MO]

I use about 2 ml/gallon, sometimes 1.5 tho.

 

[Mountain High]

thanks GET MO! i've been searching around to find out what everyone uses. involves hours of reading from thread to thread, page after page... your help is much appreciated. saves alot of time! thanks again.
Mtn High

 

[~fvk~]

Yeah, it usually always saves your ass to start out with less than the recommended low strength dosage, ha... Too little is usually better than too much, at least when it comes to growing...

 

[bonecarver_OG]

Too little is usually better than too much, at least when it comes to growing...

words of wisdom

 

[Mountain High]

i hear that...less is more. thanks everyone. they are lookin better already!

 

[InjectTruth]

I've always used FloraNova Bloom @ 8ml/gal with 5.8 Ph in my coco/perlite mixes, just treating them like any other hydro system.

Are you watering with the 8ml/gal every day?


I have bales of piece and classic sunleaves coir, and a TON of FNB and FL+. I have no calmag, but tons of dolomite. Im trying to set up the most hassle free next run without buying any new stuff. I really need a good harvest to make up for several shitty ones.

I was originally going to use the coir to make LC's mix one, using nute recipe one for an add water only grow, but I dont have worm castings. My current grow is piece coir/classic coir 50/50, amended with bio-tone, blood meal, bone meal, kelp meal, dolomite. Im having issues including yellowing, leaf drop, lack of aroma, lack of trichomes, lack of density.

I have been growing for years, had no problem for the first 2-3, but the past 2 have been cluster fuck after cluster fuck. I really need a solid recipe for a solid, efficient harvest.

 

[bongoman]

When hand watering, especially outdoors in varying weather conditions, what is more important - watering at a regular frequency OR watering by moisture levels in the pot?

That is, should I water say, every other day (assuming the pots aren't getting too dry in the meantime) OR only water when I feel the pots getting lighter?

 

[shaunmulok]

I have a question for all you coco growers, Iam about to transplant to 3 gallon square pots when watering do i only water around the base of the plant or do i water the entire suface of the pot(first time coco) thanks for any info

 

[bonecarver_OG]

outdoors plants will use up the water very quick on sunny days. in most cases watering everyday is necesary - or gives best results.

water all over the surface - makes sence doesnt it

peace