the Hand Watering coco thread

[shamanb]

hello icmag community...

iam here hopping you guys can help with my problem.
My setup its a 400w hps 80cm*80cm*200cm homebox with nice temperatures inside..
Iam on canna coco with full canna line, on 3.6 liter pot watering 2 in 2 days, with tap water
correct ph with 2 ml/liter a+b root stimulator and 1ml/liter cannazym with a bit run off.
the strains are s.a.d from sweet seeds and kaya47 from advanced seeds , and the plants are geting at first weeks 1 ml/liter
a+b and now (5 weeks ) 2, 2,5ml/liter and they never ever get that dark green, they allways slow grown light green.
a few days ago i start flowering then and i start give em the same profile every day with bit run of
and i notify they start to get a bit more green, the problem is that they dont get dry and tthe roots got rotten...
now iam at 7 days flowering and i give em full flush with cannazym and root stimulator to try recover the roots.
i wanna know what i did rong , why they never get that dark green and what should i do for and what nuts formula should i use, they have 20 cem per top.


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Tanks and sorry about my English

 

[GET MO]

would they sit in the water that ran off? if so that might be your problem. I use some cannazyme everytime I water too, but I know a lot of people who dont with good results.

 

[N-P-Kali]

Thanks bonecarver. BTW. Hand watering coco is the truth. A little more work than hydro when your doing 30 large size containers, especially when its time to flush, but well worth it when it comes to yield and flavor. I was a hydro-guy forever until a friend of mine got me to try coco and the rest is history.

50 posts before you can throw up pics right?

 

[bonecarver_OG]

shamanb - im afraid u have gotten to learn the hard way coco CAN get over watered.

some plants handle heavy watering better than others..

root rot sucks and it is very difficult tog et rid off - but if u try to keep conditions at the best it might work out ok anyway.

 

[shamanb]

Hello again.

GET MO - they dont sit in water i think they have a nice run off.

Bonecarver - iam waiting the pots dry out but i see alredy some new roots and they start to produce flowers..

tomorow ill give em 2ml/liter a+b and some root stimulator, 1ml/liter cannazym. what do you guys think?



tanks again .peace

 

[Dimajones-AICC-]

Hola!

Really nice threat Bone!

I grow in coco some years ago, and im really happy with that.

I grow in 3,5 liters pots and always i hand watering the plants

To water I use a 130 liters deposite, which carries an air pump with a porous stone for the oxygenation of the solution nutrient, and a 200l/h water bomb connected to a spear of irrigation with helmet of shower.

I use (now Atami coco) a&b nuts,rootjuice and zime, Cannabiogen Delta 9 and PK13-14.

presure hand watering

Check that : http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=75749


Saludos Bone amigo, good vibes to all.

 

[Dimajones-AICC-]

And this the presure hand watering now, few weeks ago.

Bone, I want to know what do you think about the dry periods of watering the coco coir.

I know the importance that the substrate have dry moments to favor the roots breathing.

But I know the coco grow is like an hydro grow, and if I pre-oxygenate the nutrient solucion , ¿do you believe that i could to dispense with those dry periods? And then, the coco could be always wet and roots oxigenated like the hydro grow.

Espero se me entienda bro.

Saludos

 

[Divine Cosmos]

Great thread. Does anyone know if the watering/ph is different for coco coir/peat. I keep hearing people talk about coir, and I've been following the guidlines for it; now I'm wondering if it applies to my particular coco. Any thoughts appreciated. Much love. Dimajones-AICC- nice setup - estoy celoso! Viva Palstina Libre!

 

[Rob547]

This thread is incredible, just read the first 15 pgs or so. I'm completely convinced to start a coco grow once I get a permanent setup going, just undecided about the nutes. h3ad's and get mo's threads are both great and show great results so I feel as though either way works. One thing though...are canna nutes more ph balanced than GH or other non-coco specific nutes? I have shitty water and always deal with a good amount of ph issues. thanks guys

 

[onegreenday]

Canna cogr has chunks/air exchange

Canna cogr has chunks/air exchange

that Canna cogr has granules, fibre & grit in a compressed block for the perfect
air ratio for growing. it should be great for hand/drip watering.

they guy at the grow store says plants like to grow their roots sideways in slabs
instead of downwards like in pots but i'm not sold on this yet; but anyway

i want to soak some gogr slabs, then cut them to size for my 9" square net pots and lay the slab into the pot for maximum air to the roots.

they make a small cogr square now and it puffs up when watered but it's a little small for me and the slabs may be cheaper to buy.

the roots will get air-pruned when they get to the edges (6) of the slab (counting the top/bottom) and this

promotes root branching further back on the same root. so the cogr slabs should fill quickly with a massive root structure,

which is what we want; a quick, good size root structure to support quick
flowering and turn around for new plants production.

with maximum air exchange because of the open structure of the net pot
and slab.

i suspect this will work fine but i have not run yet...................

 

[JamieShoes]

very interesting thread, I've read it from top to bottom. My question is, in order to maximise the flavour potential, do you use standard medium products? or is the advice to keep the products/salt off in the first place and wash regularly - or both? - I read early on that some have a preference for different A+B products, but I'm wondering about flavour enhancers specifically.



thanks
j


I think the idea that over feeding could be corrected with a quick rinse is very attractive to noobs like me...

 

[GET MO]

you do not have to let the coco dry out, at least from my experience with canna coco, dont know about the other brands. I can water whenever I feal like it, if I feal like a plant needs more nutrients then the dose Im givin um Ill water that one again with a higher dosage the same day or the next day. I usually need to use a couple drops of ph down the first half of growth with canna a+b but during flowerring I use a little more nutes and the boost and then the ph is usually where its sposta be.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

gosh thats a lot of posts and questions sure u all read it all before asking hehe

dimajones - the coco doesnt really need to get exactly "dry" - but since in general all nutrient solucions are oxygenated and still canna recomends to let the roots breathe, i would say its not enough with just watering with oxygenated water. water can NEVER hold as much oxygen as plain air

my experience is the results in coco get better finding the rigth watering moments.




divine cosmos - its the same thing pretty much and the ph is the same.

Rob547 - the ph must be adjusted in the nutrient solution. its a must to keep it atleast at 6 or even a bit lower. the coco itself if treated rigth will not have a fluctuating ph. use distilled water or RO water or anything equalent to mix with your tapwater to get it to a deacent ec level. my tapwater is ec 1.0 and i mix it with about 1/3 of distilled water or even more at times.



onegreenday - just buy a bunch of blocks of those smaller ones and cut them open and soak them in a big container to fluff it up - then just fill the pots with it. no need to be cutting slabs in pieces and complicating things. when fluffed up the coco is easy to work with.




JamieShoes - the best for flavour is like in any other grow - dont over nute it and it will taste better. flavour enhanching products dont really work... imho. PK and molasses etc are really mineral aditives and not flavour enhancers.


GET MO - exactly - "dry" is not really the best word - its rather a level of lower humidity. its not a good idea to let the coco dry out completelly... but for best results its a good idea to let the coco breathe inbetween waterings - it will increase root oxygen levels better than anything else.

coco is very forgiving and it alovs to have a certain time of reaction - if the one feels the nute level is too low its no problem to give an other watering with a higher dose same day. a lot has to do with pot size in general. a small pot will dry out and breath more efficiently than a very big pot.

cannas nutes have a low ph - but they really dont doo to much of a difference if the water ec is "normal" or above. low ec water will very easilly get the ph adjusted and less is needed in general.

with an ec of 0.4 or higher its pretty much a necesity to ad ph down to keep the ph rigth. specially when products like rhizotonic (high ph) and pk 13-14 (same) are used.

since canna coco nutes are tuned in for water with an ec of 4 - as a matter of fact cal-mag for example is not needed to ad in general to water with a ec higher than 0.4.

so - in other words - its quite relative with the adding of ph-down since its related to the water ec level.

peace all

 

[Divine Cosmos]

phew - thanks bc.

 

[Divine Cosmos]

Quick question: Is it alright to water with plain water first then your nute/water mix, that way one is not wasting as much nutes.

Also do you know about the ideal temp of the water? Cold water holds more O2 of course but, I heard tepid water is better for nutrient absorption?. much love.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

the only thing regardng rez temp that i do - is i throw in a pack of ice in the summer before water - if the outside temps are extreme. other than that i dont worry about it. but its true cold water holds more oxygen.

dont know in fahrenheit but i think i understood a water temp of about 20º celsius should be ideal.

peace

 

[Warpainted]

Sorry if this is a repeat question. I'm trying to figure out how much water I'll need for a small space.

I'm going to grow about 5 plants 12/12 from seed, I'm thinking maybe finish them in 2 gallon containers. I was planning on using a 10 gallon container for the nutrients.

Will that be enough for 1 week? About how many ml does a mature plant take a day?

 

[onegreenday]

onegreenday - just buy a bunch of blocks of those smaller ones and cut them open and soak them in a big container to fluff it up - then just fill the pots with it. no need to be cutting slabs in pieces and complicating things. when fluffed up the coco is easy to work with.

thanks for the tip .

the Canna 4" square CoGr is $3.50 US and the 1 meter (39")slab is $10.

So i'll cut the slab into 8 pieces and lay one on top of another to get a nice big almost 5" CoGr cube for $2.50 (saving $1. per cube) and it will be bigger.

more bang for my $$$$. I'm tight with spending money on grow supplies,
knowing how much USA grow shops charge.

 

[onegreenday]

Sorry if this is a repeat question. I'm trying to figure out how much water I'll need for a small space.

I'm going to grow about 5 plants 12/12 from seed, I'm thinking maybe finish them in 2 gallon containers. I was planning on using a 10 gallon container for the nutrients.

Will that be enough for 1 week? About how many ml does a mature plant take a day?

lots of variables there depending on lots of things in your grow
but 1/2 gallon per plant every other day
in 2 gallon pots might do the trick.

 

[Marzian]

HI GUYS ,
FIRST OF FIRST thanks all: i learned a lot reading this and the others thread about cocco coir..and yes, im newb of this medium.
So i have some question: im using not pure coco really but a mix with some canna soil and perlite: part of coco coir is bigger anyways. I nuted the plant with liquid guano 1 xweek (25-30 ml x lt) and a flowers booster by Biomagno (2 times x week) (then i gave them pure rain water: rain water really helps with ph))), but now roots got all the space in the pot and i have big loses of nutes while im hand watering. 1 plant has purple-red stems and i think she is showing any lock of P: plants stayed also for the first 3 weeks of flowering in a cold place..sooo, now im thinking to switch to canna coco A+B: anyone knows how canna nutes A+B work with liquid guano? Ill have any problems switching to canna nutes but still using guano 1 x week? Can i solve my problems of nutes loses using canna nutes and still handwatering the plant?
thanks
marziano