The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[cannascholar]

Greenies are all I use. They allow you to maintain a higher heat and humidity which makes for faster veg. Digging a trench along side it will keep plants and medium dry even through the wettest times. I like to run about 6k watts in mine plus 2 mr heaters to keep em happy on a rainy day. Dep tarp is used to avoid lighting up the mountain like a football stadium.

A good greenhouse shouldn't be more than 6gs or so unless you want bigger than 20x 100. Construction is the hardest part but you will be able to relax knowing a judge will be less likely to sign a warrant when there's no visible pot. It's also debatable on whether gh quality is better, light dep certainly is.

Anyone doing raised beds for deps? Anyone using bottled organic nutes for an extra kick? I'm playim with the roots organic line and some teas currently but am considering age old, botanic are , or general oRGANICs.

 

[boobs]

you can see my raised beds in the above picture, don't use any of that garbage you mentioned. applied a mung bean sst this morning following the picture, this is real organics.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Blumats - Anyone figure out how to use them in large containers, 200 gal and up? Seems like one dripper would not suffice, or have I missed some technology along the way with the Blumat design.

Thanks

Yes you missed the technology of inline drip emitter tubing.

 

[bamboogardner]

Yes you missed the technology of inline drip emitter tubing.

I actually have been using the inline drip emitter tubing 1/2" with 1 gal per min emitters spaced every 12" for the past three years. The part on the Blumat that I like is that they auto water thereby keeping the medium in the sweet spot 24 hours a day, rather than when you water them in just the morning.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Why don't you just hook up a tensiometer to open your irrigation as needed

 

[Bulldog420]

Anyone doing raised beds for deps? Anyone using bottled organic nutes for an extra kick? I'm playim with the roots organic line and some teas currently but am considering age old, botanic are , or general oRGANICs.

Thank for the info on Green houses, I pm'ed ya.

As for bottled organic fertilizer, it's kind of an oxymoron. However, if you must buy from a bottle/bag, Vital Earth is second to none with their nutrient and compost teas. Here is a link, http://www.vitalearthsproducts.com/content/vital-earths®-compost-tea-recipe.

Obviously this is fairly expensive, however if you get a good feel for how the Vital Earth guys do what they do, over the years you can start making your own teas following the intent that the Vital Earth guys paved. No doubt the best organic recipe by any large distributor IMO.

Also at the Max Yield Hydro show these guys are always willing to chop it up about growing and why their products work so well. Great company, great product. Hope this helps. BTW, their EWC are also some of the best bagged castings. Them and Roots Organics.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Double-dug a 500gal hole by hand yesterday and amended for a big one this year.

 

[Stank J.P.]

I hear ya Luther. I moved a couple of yards around by shovel yesterday and am hurting today. It's all good tho, think about the end results.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Went back at it today. "I'm going to put a plant there" "but there's a tree stump there". The tree stump lost, I have myself another prime hole with 12h full sun. Gonna go soak the backache away.

 

[Bulldog420]

The tree stump lost, I have myself another prime hole with 12h full sun.

Nice choice, good luck. Snap a picture or two if your willing. Would love to see some pictures of how people are doing.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

What's double dug?

Is that when you give up and come back to it later?

 

[furrywall11]

digging all the soil out and then filling it back in? that's some double diggin' there, yup, that's right.


I just got my soil analysis from FGL. This is last years vermifire mixed with 8:1 vemifire to vermiblend from this year. Haven't really had a chance a study it too much... the suggested ranges are for "tomato bushes" kind of caught me off guard when they asked what I was growin Does anyone have any idea about dealing with the excessive P and K? Seems like that's the first thing I'd want to do... also, curious about what the ranges for cannabis might be that might change the whole picture. Also, I'm not trying to build the perfect soil here. I'm going to be using the General Organic line and ACT.


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[Luther Burbank]

Backyard - It's an older system the French market gardeners developed in the 19th century and then popularized in the US by Mr. Rodale, may god rest his good soul. You basically dig out a layer as deep as your shovel/spade, then dig again to another shovel's depth in the subsoil, amending the subsoil layer, then amending and replacing the topsoil layer. Usually done with a series of trenches so the topsoil layer of the trench you're working on fills in the subsoil trench you just finished. The resulting beds are hugely aerated and well amended to a fantastic depth. http://www.organicgardening.com/learn-and-grow/double-digging-why-do-it

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

This is my first year going as big as I can afford to go.... guerilla style.
14 plants in plot #1.
I need them to be as big as possible. 1 - 2 lbs a plant.
The ground has been dug with deep holes and filled with used/new FFOF soil with chunky perlite and mixed w/ the black, native soil, that is already rich in nutrients.
Im putting 45gln camo growbags over the holes, with the bottoms cut out, so the roots can go deep, and I have 14 raised beds.
The moms are wicked bushy and about 20" tall w/ 20 tops. Im setting the light cycle back to 18/6 next week, then to 16/8 until July 1st, when they'll be put outside into those bags/holes.
I have 4x GG#4, 3x Chemical Blue, 1x StrawberryDogshit, 2x ChemmyJones, 1x Blue Dream and 3x GrandoggyPurps x (GrapeApe x OGKush)
Pretty excited about my first grow over 2 lbs. Thanx for all the great info on this thread guys.
Will the soil in the plastic bags get too hot in the summer? The spot gets full sun all day long. Thats why Im cutting a 10" radius out the bottom of the bags. Hoping the roots will grow deep into the earth and hit the shallow water table in the marsh, keeping the roots cool and healthy. Plus yielding more...

 

[abuldur]

hey overgrow,
I had no problems with my fabric grow bags that were double layered with black plastic tarp.Facing south full sun from 9 am to 18 pm south of france weather type.Same raised bed soil preparation.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Make new clones may 15 for your July 1 planting and plant in the prepared hole. Roots go out, not down.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

You saying I should scrap the big, beautiful mother plants Ive been growing for 3 months?
I dont know dude. I want big plants.

I understand about the roots growing outward. Thats why I have the bottoms cut out.
They can grow out and down when they're first put in there, for the first 7 weeks, then go deep and as wide as they want. Its wicked good earth under them.

You saying I can get just as big a plants from new clones, as I could from these moms?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Just try it out and see. How big the plant is before it hits the ground has nothing to do with what it will yield when it's done.

Unless you've been vegging those plants in 45 gal pots for the last 3 months , Again I would just make new clones.

Roots go out first, not down. Your best bet is just to plant them in the ground. Or just make a mound of soil on top of the hole...

 

[milkyjoe]

I gotta agree with Backyard. If you let a plant get even a tiny bit rootbound you have set it up for problems. As soon as you see the first hint of stretch you have created a hormone problem...auxin dominance over cytokinins. The plant will not make enough sugar at that point to feed the microbes, the microbes will die off thus providing less food to the roots and the downward health spiral has begun.

Foliars will help but it is far from ideal.

Give me a foot high plant going into the ground over a 4 footer any day.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Blech. Yeah I'm in the same boat trying to turn around a potential keeper I allowed to get rootbound in a 1gal pot. Glad I started some more seeds.