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The Apprentice Goes Organic. LED, Soil King, and Mr. B's Green Trees (PHOTOS!)

What's up everyone!

This will be my second grow and am uber excited to keep this journal going strong. My first grow was a two plant outdoor grow with synthetic nutes (Emerald Harvest) and it went quite alright but I have finally finished the research and set up my new indoor tent set up. Going fully organic after much reading on this forum (thank you guys btw).

I'll be running 7 plants/strains total all from seed. 3 are autoflower and 4 are feminized. I'll elaborate on why I did this and the theory behind it below the strain and consumables information below.
I'm doing something that I have not found a journal for before so maybe I am the first one... but probably not so if there are any tips or advice please lay them on me! I will probably need some help/advice in the areas of pest prevention, temperature and humidity issues but at this moment in the seedlings lives, I don't think what I currently have is unacceptable and I can wait a couple weeks to get a humidifier or another fan.

For this set up my equipment is as follows:

Equipment
4X4 Gorilla Grow Tent (Not using the extension due to roof limits)

NextLight Mega LED lighting. 650W actual draw but claims 1000W equivalency

Vortex S-Line 6" Fan (This thing looks like a plane engine and is pretty quiet!)

Can-Lite Filter

3, 3 Gallon GeoPot G-Lite pots and 4, 5 gallon G-lite Pots (But one 3 gallon pot is not the G-Lite version and is a bit thicker since the store gave me this one on accident)

I've also got two non-oscillating fans, one pointed at the LED and one pointed at the plants. This part of the set up may change as I figure out the temperature situation.

Now onto the other good stuff...
Consumables
(I really really REALLY wanted to grow some Chiquita Banana or GG#4.. GG4 was clone only and I couldn't get my hands on Chiquita as Utopia Farms and RB haven't released it to the masses so I decided to go with the best strains available in seed. I can still switch up if someone wants to send me one of the mentioned strains..... :biggrin: lol )

Soil King Big Rootz organic soil

Mr. B's Green Trees Growth and Mr. B's Green Trees Bloom granular top dress

Autoflower strains: Fastbuds Pineapple Express, Fastbuds Girl Scout Cookies, and Cream of the Crop Cash Crop

Feminized strains: Reserva Privada Kosher Kush, Elemental Seeds Honey Bananas, CannaVenture Cookie Wreck, and BlimBurn Seeds Chemdog #4

I started the autoflower strains 1.5 weeks before starting the feminized seeds. The idea behind this is that since autoflower don't need the light to be switched in order to flower, I am going to base my lighting needs on the feminized seeds and let the autos come along for the ride. I'll be going 18/6 for as long as I think the feminized seeds need and I am assuming the autoflowers will be flowering halfway through the veg cycle of the regular plants. When I switch to 12/12 the autos should be a good way through their flowering so when the autos are "done," I'll pull and process them which will leave more light and room for the four photoperiod plants.
I hope that sounds as clever as it did when I thought of that idea... maybe I was just stoned but I'm going to run with it lol.
I also put the autos in the 3 gallon geopots so they will be somewhat more dwarfed.

I don't plan on using much of the Mr. B's Growth since the super soil that I got is supposed to contain everything that my plants need. I might just throw a little bit of it here and there for giggles. I will be using the bloom formula though at full strength when the time comes for flowering.

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This picture is sideways but it is the filter and my light

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Also sideways, but this is my light panel from NextLight. Doesn't get very hot at all and is always cool to the touch

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Sideways but shows the distance of my light and the seedlings. Yeah.... Probably not the best idea to put seedlings under a 650W LED but that is why the height is so far away. I'll move the light to a proper distance when I transplant the 4 photoperiod plants into their 5 gallon pots. Haven't noticed much stretch and they seem happy.
 
Continued from above due to photo limits...

Continued from above due to photo limits...

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Auto Girl Scout Cookies at about 2 weeks from seed (Someone told me it looks like the trichomes are already starting but I think they're just random spots that will go away when the plant is older)


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Auto Pineapple Express at about 2 weeks from Seed


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Cash Crop at about 2 weeks from seed


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My 4 photoperiod strains that are a few days old.... Covered by foggy tupperware to increase humidity and to protect from excess light

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The final product of my outdoor Strawberry Banana.. Proud of how they turned out! I grew stuff that people actually enjoyed... Rad!


I'll be posting updates and questions here and there and as I mentioned.. if anyone has any comments, questions, ideas, advice, please don't hesitate to post! After all, this is a great community that has been built upon learning from each other
 
I think I made a booboo already.
I've been using ph down to adjust my water ph. Its usually around 8.5 ph from the tap and we have good water without too much additives.
Did I kill the biolife in my soil with this acid? Anyone have any recs on what I should use to adjust my ph and not kill my soil if I haven't already? And also what should I do to bring them back to life lol
 

Kmetak

Member
If I may advise, dont use PH down(acid nitric or phosphoric) for PH corecting. if you want to grow in the soil, use Acid citric from supermarket(food).. Mix a powder with water cca 1:2 a this mix use like PH down.. Citric acid help microlife in soil.. Try this.. You see..
 

ozzieAI

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Veteran
i grow in soil under leds and never ph my water...and it comes in 9 last time i checked...which was years ago...

not even for clones or seeds...

good soil will balance out in my experience...

good luck...
 
i grow in soil under leds and never ph my water...and it comes in 9 last time i checked...which was years ago...

not even for clones or seeds...

good soil will balance out in my experience...

good luck...

Thank you guys. I think you're right as it does have dolomite in it. I'll leave the ph out of it then and if I run into any problems I'll revisit this area
 

Kmetak

Member
i grow in soil under leds and never ph my water...and it comes in 9 last time i checked...which was years ago...

not even for clones or seeds...

good soil will balance out in my experience...

good luck...


Its a holy true!! Micro life in GOOD soil, doing his job.. besides buffer water..!:)

I post this already: " ....Try to avoid the use of pH correction products. Try to rely on the micro-life to do the work.Non-organic pH products will damage the micro-life we rely on so much. .."
 
So far so good! Couple weeks in from when I started this journey and the plants are looking happy. I last watered them all on Wednesday night and let them dry up until today and I watered and transplanted the photoperiod strains. I like to let the girls dry out once when they're young.. I feel it gives them some ruggedness lol. Photos below of the babies.. the auto girl scout cookies is just exploding. I think I'm getting a little squatting on her and I cut off the cotyledons and the lowest new growth so I can make more room for soil.

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Random update #1

Random update #1

Time for a photo update. They seem happy.. the honey bananas by reserva privada look a little odd but we'll see how it comes out. The cookie wreck also looks a little funny but I'm thinking they'll clear up soon.. if not I'll start looking at potential problem areas.

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I'm really liking the branching of my autos! Didn't train or top any of them until the day these pics were taken. I squished the top of the main stalks of the cash crop and gsc just to see what'll happen so will update on that

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Random update #2

Random update #2

Time for some photo updates! I'm on my phone do 2 this will be short for now. Will give more detail later.

Jan 6, autos started flowering! They all flowered at the same time. Weird. Lol
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Jan 9- had to do some major defoliation and training after this pic. Seemed that wpm was just baaaaarely trying to settle in and that freaked me out. Cut a bunch of leaves and did the organic apple cider vinegar thing. It might have been my imagination but I ain't playing around with that shit!
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Jan 13- slight training
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Jan 18- more slight training. They seem happy the kosher kush might be struggling a little but that would probably be my fault.. broke two big stems during prior training lol. We shall see what happens
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Looking good Apprentice...
I also run the Big Rootz indoor with the Mr B's... Love them both...
In my grows,,all plants,but especially your heavy feeders will appreciate the Mr B's 7-4-4 once a week...
Big Rootz is awesome,but some strains use it up about day 45 for me...
The Mr B's 2-8-6 once a week in flower is working nice with great results...
Looking forward to watching your grow... Peace
 
Thank you guys for the kind words and for tuning in. I'm trying to give my absolute best effort possible and the encouragement helps :)

I'm thinking to flip to a flowering light schedule in a week or two.. hoping to maintain as even a canopy as possible.
I'm also thinking to supplement my LED with a small uvb light in a sunblaster fixture in the middle of my 12 hour light, for 4 hours.. but a guy that's been growing and breeding successfully at a trusted grow shop is telling me that my full spectrum LED has the spectrum my plants need and that I should focus my efforts on sugars rather than additional spectrum.
I'd love to hear some educated opinions on this topic from those here who have experience with this, if you would be so kind.
Thank you!
 

Caligreen1

Member
I don't have much experience at all with LEDs, but I do know that they provide that full spectrum your grow shop friend has told you about. Instead of a MH and HPS the LEDs are smarter and provide both types of light plus more....from my understanding ;)

Really though I have seen side by side grows and the LEDs just pump them up so much and the branching seems so much tighter, not to mention they are freaking way cooler so less need for AC!
 
I don't have much experience at all with LEDs, but I do know that they provide that full spectrum your grow shop friend has told you about. Instead of a MH and HPS the LEDs are smarter and provide both types of light plus more....from my understanding ;)

Really though I have seen side by side grows and the LEDs just pump them up so much and the branching seems so much tighter, not to mention they are freaking way cooler so less need for AC!

What you've said is true about LED growing, it does have the full spectrum needed by the cannabis plant. It does not however, have the UV and IR spectrum which isn't technically needed for growth. What's debatable is that these spectrums are believed to actually harm the plant in a way that makes the plant produce more thc and stunts its growth.. I've seen threads that conclude it works and have also seen threads that conclude it doesn't.. so I think I've just got to try it since I can't seem to find a consensus. Its cheap enough compared to what I've got going on now so I might as well try but I don't like wasting time if it for sure does nothing lol
 
So I'm on day 34 for the autoflowers.. the gsc and the pineapple express by fast buds are doing well.. they're overall smaller than the cash crop auto but they have much more trichome development.
I know the cash crop is supposed to take a bit longer but at this point I'm thinking of killing it to free up some space since it doesn't look like its going to yield an acceptable quality final product.

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Pineapple express
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Cash crop
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Caligreen1

Member
Hell, as long as the led doesnt take THC away I'm all in haha. I know UVB rays were once mentioned, something about creating stonier thc I thought...more amber trichs.
 
Random Update #3

Random Update #3

So I'm on day 46 with the autoflowers and they're looking pretty good. Ran into a couple issues but I feel that I've solved them. I watered and came back 2 days later to the pineapple express having brown spots and leaves turning yellow and dying. Thought it was a ph issue but looked under the leaf with a magnifying glass and saw that I had russet mites. Picked up some hardener tea that contains dicotameous earth and foliar fed them that and then followed up with a foliar of green cleaner the next day.
The photoperiod plants look happy and are getting really bushy even with my supercropping and lst.. I'm thinking I should defoliate the plants in the back a little more. I've really only been taking off the leaves that start to yellow so the canopy is a bit thick!
I just flipped to 12/12, 2 days ago and am awaiting the bud making :)

Also, I gave the Cash Crop to a friend to finish the grow. I did this because of a couple reasons.. I could use the space, it looked like it was going to take much longer than the other autos, and my friend could really use the confidence since he failed at growing a couple times, so from this point on there will only be the other six strains in my photos..

Girl Scout Auto Day 46
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Pineapple Express Auto Day 46
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The whole crew about 4-5 weeks in
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So I pulled the pineapple express, a bit early, but it looked like just that plant was going to develop problems and it was close enough to harvest. Currently in the cure process.. took a preview toke and its quite good already! Will post photos when they're done.
Now onto the photo updates...

GSC day 68
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Week 2 of flowering.. my canopy is starting to get uneven but I'm not sure I want to supercrop much more or I won't have very big colas.. don't mind the gsc that's almost ready to harvest..
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The root system of the pineapple express auto. Took forever to gently get the dirt out!
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