The 2020 Presidential Election

[hubcap]

So hubcap, got any proposals for how to fix the 99% being divided? I agree with your assertion that both parties serve ye olde powers that be, but whats to be done about it? I think its valid to criticize "the other side" if they express views you disagree with and go with whatever party most closely resembles your views. The other options i see are trying for a 3rd party or sitting it out; third party is fine, but I think it splits the vote amongst people that agree on most sides of an issue while just sitting out and refusing to vote for the evil of two lessers just takes you out of the process/discussion.

If I had the answers, Id have already laid them out, but, I do know TERM LIMITS for ALL 'career politicians' would be a good start.....
this would limit the damages done by any one party.
8 years max. And OUT. Thanks for your service. NO pension. No special security. No other privileges. Serving your country, honorably, should be reward enough.



And we all know how easy that will be to get career politicians to vote for their own exit, right?


Quite the conundrum, indeed.


-cap

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Fuck Iran,and try a bit of learning son.We gave money to the planets biggest supporter of terrorism.
How much blood is on Obama's hands?
Babble has a box set for the english language,so it's your lucky day.By November you may be able to read the results for yourself.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Not really. Hes just more transparent in his corruption and incompetence than that last line of morons that have led this country.


Good chat, folks. Im going to bed now. Work tomorrow and all that.....


-cap

What corruption? Where are the millions of dead bodies from Trump?
If it is so transparent, share an example.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

That shit concerns me too. Ever seen the film 'Jesus Camp?' Terrifying. People really need to unite. This right left shit is dumb. I admit I go after dems. But, that's only because they are frothing with hate for a man who's trying to save them.

If you were drowning would you want to trust a narcissistic sociopath to rescue you?

Or would you rather roll the dice on literally anybody else having a better chance of actually saving your life?

And we all know how easy that will be to get career politicians to vote for their own exit, right?


Quite the conundrum, indeed.


-cap

Great idea!

Thanks to physics, the guillotine is as effective as it ever was.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

If you were drowning would you want to trust a narcissistic sociopath to rescue you?

Or would you rather roll the dice on literally anybody else having a better chance of actually saving your life?

I guess that depends on the proximity of others. If I'm drowning, I would not be choosy.
But, I'm the type who would just back float and chill.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The candidates are the deplorables.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

We should have jury duty for Congress.

Everybody is chosen at random and serves one month.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

No better example than the current environment. Cant tell me that 'assets of the US' aren't publicly trying to upend the (fairly elected) Mango Mussolini.

That's exactly my point. Can you give me another example of an admin being subjected to anything even remotely similar to what the Trump admin is being subjected to. Can you explain this anomaly?

I can only think of one admin; The Lincoln Administration when he tried to end the rights of Democrats (or, anybody, but there were no republican slave owners, ever) to own slaves.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

We should have jury duty for Congress.

Everybody is chosen at random and serves one month.

That would make too much sense, don't be ridiculous.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I think someone shot JFK....

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

We should have jury duty for Congress.

Everybody is chosen at random and serves one month.

Honestly one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I've got a few more and there's millions of us.

Just wait till the guillotine gets oiled.

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Oh shit here comes the lube.
Goodnight and goodluck fellas

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

I've got a few more and there's millions of us.

Just wait till the guillotine gets oiled.

Oh, I am. Are you aware of the guillotines? I think the US ordered a few in 2015??

 

[Zeez]

are you still babbling about the money that BELONGED to Iran which we had frozen in the accounts? you still do not understand that it WAS THEIR MONEY? debunked every time it is mentioned, but you still dig it up because you have nothing else to say...whatever...

That's the fact!

He won't get it. They're preprogrammed to deny facts calling them fake news and then comeback with the propaganda version, no matter how stupid it might be. Facts supported with legal evidence just don't matter.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

That's the fact!

He won't get it. They're preprogrammed to deny facts calling them fake news and then comeback with the propaganda version, no matter how stupid it might be. Facts supported with legal evidence just don't matter.

I guess it really boils down to what the sanctions said originally. Did the sanctions say that we would pay the seized assets back someday? Because if they didn't, then it could be argued that it was our money, but that also depends on he fairness and legality of the sanctions. I don't think this subject has been settled yet. There's a lot of questions that seem to remain unanswered. John Kerry was on the record stating that some of the money would likely be laundered to Hezbolah. That sure would complicate things, wouldn't it. Between that and the fast and furious scandal, it looks like some pretty fishy stuff was going down with some flimsy excuses.

 

[xavier7995]

If I had the answers, Id have already laid them out, but, I do know TERM LIMITS for ALL 'career politicians' would be a good start.....
this would limit the damages done by any one party.
8 years max. And OUT. Thanks for your service. NO pension. No special security. No other privileges. Serving your country, honorably, should be reward enough.



And we all know how easy that will be to get career politicians to vote for their own exit, right?


Quite the conundrum, indeed.


-cap

Just a note, I didn't mean my comment in a dickish manner, tone doesn't always translate, not even sure if you took it as such.

Anywho...

I would agree that 8 years is good (maybe 10 to make it a round number if we are gonna change stuff). Building on that, I think just having it be a single 8 year term would help, as in not having the reelection campaign start a year or two after you get in office. Money corrupts, if you constantly have to campaign to keep your job you are beholden to whatever aids that, rather than the people that voted for you.

There are ideological differences within the country, as much as I would love to be able to just break it down by economics, you can't just say its the 99 vs 1. That ignores single issue voters, of which their are a bunch. You have the religious conservatives, that's a big block of folks that vote for people that agree with their agenda (abortion mostly). Gun folks are another big group that comes to mind. Not sure how to describe the liberal version of those, the legalize weed folks maybe , as stated we can often be blind to the follies of our own. Yadda yadda.

It would be great if a bit more, well a lot more honestly, of the political situation hinged on economics and people voting in their own best interests.

... and no, can't say I can see anything getting better as the ones that could change it have no reason. Can't really vote anyone out unless you join one of two parties.

If it were to get going it would need to occur on very local levels and grow from there. What do you think of people growing in terms of political responsibility? I didn't think Palin or buttiegieg were qualified as mayor of a small to medium city just doesn't give you the necessary background to lead a nation. How does one grow into a role, you cant just take CEOs or whatever, that's the closest I can think of to the sort of experience needed, as that would obviously wind up with some conflicts.

 

[xavier7995]

Double posting like a dork, but what did you think of yang? I liked him.

 

[xavier7995]

Who's going to fund new innovation if we don't allow the corporation to profit. I get it alot of corporations get a bad name deservedly so, in many cases.

Its very simplistic and short sighted to think that corporations, are going to keep taking risk, investing in innovation, when we don't let them make a profit.

Not to mention, who gets to weild the power to decide, who is allowed to make a profit. That is un-American.

Here is a article pertaining to the cost of research and product of new drugs. Almost 1 billion dollars before the corporation get a dollar in return.

https://www.biospace.com/article/median-cost-of-bringing-a-new-drug-to-market-985-million/

What I am saying is that you should take those corporations out of the equation. It is crazy expensive to bring a drug to market, and as such, they charge a lot of money for them. Why not directly link the scientists doing the research with a means to produce it? You are providing the people doing the actual work on a medical breakthrough with the necessary incentive/compensation to get the same sort of result as if it were occurring at a pharma company. The cost of testing and r&d would have to go way down if whatever requirements exist were part of the same pipeline.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Is this yet another crack in the armor, ay? buahahahaha

Senate Republicans demand answers from Trump on IG firing

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/498425-senate-republicans-demand-answers-from-trump-on-ig-firing

Dish washing my lily white ass...

minds_I