Thai

[dubi]

Lovely @BC LONE WOLF looks like one is already showing signs of being pollinated
When breeding, better use clones from selected well tested parent plants rather than pollinate blindly.

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Lovely @BC LONE WOLF looks like one is already showing signs of being pollinated
When breeding, better use clones from selected well tested parent plants rather than pollinate blindly.

Yeah early pollination was done because I have a one of a kind male with strong structure, so the male was not blindly selected. I also wanted to do most of the pollination process as outdoors as possible and being 49N I know after September non stop rain will kill the pollination process.

On the other hand I do have 3 clones of each Chiang Mai which will be tested during winter so I can know if it’s worth or not to keep the seeds I have already made. I’m also planning on testing progeny this winter. Clones and seeds on the same run.

I don’t have same parameters of breeding ACE has, I’m hoping to create a large gene pool for my future enjoyment, I have all the time in the world to do testing in the future.

One question for you if I may; when I read the description on these Chiang Mai; it says a well worked line. Would that imply that breeders here have already made selections ?

 

[GainesvilleGreen]

Lovely @BC LONE WOLF looks like one is already showing signs of being pollinated
When breeding, better use clones from selected well tested parent plants rather than pollinate blindly.

Expected a little better of a response from you @dubi. This guy is clearly respresenting YOUR brand of Thai ACE growing on this thread with great looking plants. He's told you multiple times he lives in the 49n trying to repo some beans for his outdoor micro grow.
We all know about clones but we all don't grow on multiple acres like you do from ACE.
Why put in feedback that's so basic, which YOU know, he knows about already!?
Have you seen his Duterte's (Phillpino male) ? You should be applauding it my friend.

 

[H e d g e]

@BC LONE WOLF great post for #420 in the thread! Beautiful plants.
@dubi you were right about my strawberry, I flowered the seed plant and it’s about 50:50 male female. I’ve not given up on it yet though, this is it grafted onto Baluchi rootstock.
Might be happier living in a small pot as a scion if the roots have a bit less vigor.

 

[dubi]

Sounds like a good plan @BC LONE WOLF Sorry if my previous post came across as rude, that wasn’t my intention. I just wanted to emphasize the importance of the following order when breeding with a new line: grow as many as possible from seed, clone them, flower them, evaluate them, and then select the ones for breeding. When taking a different route, the results are never as good.

 

[LG/]

Thai, 5 on the right side of the tent

Sounds like a good plan @BC LONE WOLF Sorry if my previous post came across as rude, that wasn’t my intention. I just wanted to emphasize the importance of the following order when breeding with a new line: grow as many as possible from seed, clone them, flower them, evaluate them, and then select the ones for breeding. When taking a different route, the results are never as good.

I appreciate you Dubi and I'm sure a lot of other people on here do as well
Onwards.
For argument sake, let's say I start 10 seeds. I get 5 males and 5 females. I run each group in two separate areas. I take pollen from every male and pollinate one bud on every female, labeling as I go.
I then finish the run, test the unpollinated female flowers and make my observations overall (even let the males run just for fun).
Finally I pick the best female or females, and accordingly the best males paired with the best females, and use those to move forward.
I think this would be nearly as good as the cloning and running everything out method. This is only practical in lower numbers tho.

What I've been doing is selecting
males and hitting every female on one branch with each male I picked. Then the seeds from the best girls are the seeds I use moving forward.

 

[dubi]

grow as many as possible from seed, clone them, flower them, evaluate them, and then select the ones for breeding. When taking a different route, the results are never as good.

That's mainly for hybrid breeding like in your case @BC LONE WOLF

However, for landrace preservation open pollination of large populations is required. Otherwise, genetic diversity is lost with each new reproduction, bottlenecking the population. Unless carefully inbred for desirable traits, the line can easily become low in vigor and uninterestingly homozygous.

In the case of this Thai Chiang Mai preservation, dozens of parent plants from different generations were open pollinated after removing intersex females, males, and low vigor plants during growth. Different phenotypes were observed, as described in the strain description, and the best females from each phenotype were identified (and previously cloned). Only seeds from the best seed lots have been included in this release.

After this point, once the landrace is well preserved in seed form and the best parent plants are safely cloned, females with specific, desirable, and well-known traits are selected for hybrid breeding goals in combination with other genetics.

 

[dubi]

Thai, 5 on the right side of the tent

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I appreciate you Dubi and I'm sure a lot of other people on here do as well
Onwards.
For argument sake, let's say I start 10 seeds. I get 5 males and 5 females. I run each group in two separate areas. I take pollen from every male and pollinate one bud on every female, labeling as I go.
I then finish the run, test the unpollinated female flowers and make my observations overall (even let the males run just for fun).
Finally I pick the best female or females, and accordingly the best males paired with the best females, and use those to move forward.
I think this would be nearly as good as the cloning and running everything out method. This is only practical in lower numbers tho.

What I've been doing is selecting
males and hitting every female on one branch with each male I picked. Then the seeds from the best girls are the seeds I use moving forward.

Hi @LG/ if the goal is preservation, then yes, that's the best approach in your case. Your future populations will certainly become more inbred using a low number of plants, becoming less diverse with each generation. So at least try to fix or improve the quality-frequency of certain desirable traits that you prefer through your selections and inbreeding process.

Keeping the best parents in clone form really makes a difference, as you can more accurately inbreed the line for your favorite traits and incorporate these desirable traits into outcrosses more easily, allowing you to replicate results, both in cultivation and breeding.