just wondering how do these 2 differ in effect growth, herm tendencies , also which on more suitable for indoor growth
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thai stick or double thai
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inquest
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Originally Posted by inquest
hi Kanga,
Bushweed sent me your way, as I had a few questions about your Luang Prabang. I've picked up a pack from the boo and have been looking all over for grow/smoke reports.... There's not much out there man! so.. here goes:
Have you grown/smoked any before?
If so, what'd you think of them?
If not, how have you liked them so far? and
How much longer untill they finish up for you?
Thank you in advance and happy growing!
Hi mate.....ok I did not find anything so far in the Laos that I would get excited about, but dont get me wrong it is still good.
But out of the Thai sticks I have found a killer....70's stuff. I gave some to a mad indica head and he had one bong of it and 4hrs later tried another and that was it, now that is all he wants ..lol
But it took me 30 plants to find it and it has that fuel sort of smell, similar to the mullum.
The good thing about the Thai's is I had no hermies, cant say the same for the Laos.
By the way I left some on all the plants and they are still growing.
So how are yours going ???
Stay well...K
hi Kanga,
Bushweed sent me your way, as I had a few questions about your Luang Prabang. I've picked up a pack from the boo and have been looking all over for grow/smoke reports.... There's not much out there man! so.. here goes:
Have you grown/smoked any before?
If so, what'd you think of them?
If not, how have you liked them so far? and
How much longer untill they finish up for you?
Thank you in advance and happy growing!
Hi mate.....ok I did not find anything so far in the Laos that I would get excited about, but dont get me wrong it is still good.
But out of the Thai sticks I have found a killer....70's stuff. I gave some to a mad indica head and he had one bong of it and 4hrs later tried another and that was it, now that is all he wants ..lol
But it took me 30 plants to find it and it has that fuel sort of smell, similar to the mullum.
The good thing about the Thai's is I had no hermies, cant say the same for the Laos.
By the way I left some on all the plants and they are still growing.
So how are yours going ???
Stay well...K
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Iron_Lion
You missed the boat on Double Thai, they were on sale at the Bou a week or 2 ago for $45. I'll be giving some a run soon.
When I asked Dubi about them he said they were not so well suited for indoor but if you have patience and skills with sativa's they should do well.
With a 4 - 5 month flowering time Im hoping to be puffing some pure thai by 4/20 lol
Thai stick to me sounds more like a wild outdoor thai, where as the Double Thai is the Koh Chang Thai x Meao Thai F3, Meao Thai is more of a worked thai. Maybe more predictable results from the DT.
I went for the DT because there was a few pictures and reports available online and it's nice to be able to see what it might be like to grow it before I invested all that time.
When I asked Dubi about them he said they were not so well suited for indoor but if you have patience and skills with sativa's they should do well.
With a 4 - 5 month flowering time Im hoping to be puffing some pure thai by 4/20 lol
Thai stick to me sounds more like a wild outdoor thai, where as the Double Thai is the Koh Chang Thai x Meao Thai F3, Meao Thai is more of a worked thai. Maybe more predictable results from the DT.
I went for the DT because there was a few pictures and reports available online and it's nice to be able to see what it might be like to grow it before I invested all that time.
CharlesUFarley
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Thai Stick 103 Days
Thai Stick 103 Days
Just finishing up my 2 Thai Sticks.These photos were taken a few weeks back.Pulled the first one at 16.5 wks.Hung it and it dried in about two days.Wispy airy buds,the whole plant will yield less than an Oz.Not complaining its just part of the deal.On the second plant its going to go another week to a week and half,pretty close to 18 wks I would say.The second TS is a quite a bit more substantial in all ways from the first TS I pulled down.Either way I am going to have some doomsday Thai Stick to fire up,woo hoo.
It is a balancing act working with these gals indoors,its not impossible,but it isn't a feed it and forget it plant either.The balancing act comes in about mid to late flowering.I used pot size to keep the plants as manageable as I could indoors.That is the fine line I walked with these gals,containing size by keeping them root bound but at the same time trying to keep them healthy all the way through is not easy,it can be done but its not easy.Switched to a guano feed about month into flowering and I think that helped to keep from burning them up as they got bound up.
It's nice to be able to get a taste of these great tropicals but in the end I think the best any of us can do is to get a shadow/echo of what these plants will do in a natural environment.In the last week both plants really started dropping color and from what I could see in the scope it looked the last gal is probably already there at just under 17 wks.
I gotta say the one I just harvested without any cure and just dry enough to smoke is out of this world,clear buzzing right on the edge of being electric.Oh,I should mention that my tolerance is off the charts so for a strain to affect me that way is pretty impressive.Had some negative folks tell me there is no way this is 'real' Thai Stick,I told em' who the hell cares,its a damn good tropical no matter what you think it is.Right now with no cure the smoke is great but a bit short lived.I think the length will be stretched out with a bit of a cure.
I plan on running these again along with Double Thai.Although I am working on setting up a hoop house for next year to really let these gals really 'stretch' their legs.Yes you can run these gals inside but from my experience (1st time w/tropicals indoors) it takes a bit of planning and forethought,otherwise you will end up with a monster that will take over your room.Hope this helps.I want to thank every one on these boards and Dubi and Charlie for freely sharing the knowledge and experience that really shortened my learning curve with these gals.Not sure I would have as much success without the valuable input I got on these boards,thank you all:
Have a great week everyone,be well and take care,but most of all be safe my friends
Thai Stick 103 Days
Just finishing up my 2 Thai Sticks.These photos were taken a few weeks back.Pulled the first one at 16.5 wks.Hung it and it dried in about two days.Wispy airy buds,the whole plant will yield less than an Oz.Not complaining its just part of the deal.On the second plant its going to go another week to a week and half,pretty close to 18 wks I would say.The second TS is a quite a bit more substantial in all ways from the first TS I pulled down.Either way I am going to have some doomsday Thai Stick to fire up,woo hoo.
It is a balancing act working with these gals indoors,its not impossible,but it isn't a feed it and forget it plant either.The balancing act comes in about mid to late flowering.I used pot size to keep the plants as manageable as I could indoors.That is the fine line I walked with these gals,containing size by keeping them root bound but at the same time trying to keep them healthy all the way through is not easy,it can be done but its not easy.Switched to a guano feed about month into flowering and I think that helped to keep from burning them up as they got bound up.
It's nice to be able to get a taste of these great tropicals but in the end I think the best any of us can do is to get a shadow/echo of what these plants will do in a natural environment.In the last week both plants really started dropping color and from what I could see in the scope it looked the last gal is probably already there at just under 17 wks.
I gotta say the one I just harvested without any cure and just dry enough to smoke is out of this world,clear buzzing right on the edge of being electric.Oh,I should mention that my tolerance is off the charts so for a strain to affect me that way is pretty impressive.Had some negative folks tell me there is no way this is 'real' Thai Stick,I told em' who the hell cares,its a damn good tropical no matter what you think it is.Right now with no cure the smoke is great but a bit short lived.I think the length will be stretched out with a bit of a cure.
I plan on running these again along with Double Thai.Although I am working on setting up a hoop house for next year to really let these gals really 'stretch' their legs.Yes you can run these gals inside but from my experience (1st time w/tropicals indoors) it takes a bit of planning and forethought,otherwise you will end up with a monster that will take over your room.Hope this helps.I want to thank every one on these boards and Dubi and Charlie for freely sharing the knowledge and experience that really shortened my learning curve with these gals.Not sure I would have as much success without the valuable input I got on these boards,thank you all:
Have a great week everyone,be well and take care,but most of all be safe my friends
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Great work, I love the look of your plants.
"Thia Stick" is one of those things that has become a legend. Years ago it came into the scene. At the time it was the best stuff going around and it was very different from what people were used to so it left a strong and lasting impression. Since that time nostalgia and myth have blown it out of proportion into some sort of untouchable god smoke in the minds of those who tried it and then those who just heard about it and passed the stories on. Thia Stick was also not just about the genetics but where and how it was grown and cured. All of these things lend their own unique qualities to the end product.
It's a bit like how if you smoke some real Hawaiian sativa from the islands and keep a seed and plant it, the stuff you produce under your 1000w in hydroponics won't be the same as the stuff you remembered smoking. It will be similar but there will be differences.
Anyway, to make a long story short. Strains change over time and the ends product changes with how and where it was grown etc. We will probably never be able to completely reproduce the "Thia Stick" of 40 years ago but that is not to say that we can't produce something that is the same league as it was or that we can't get close to the original.
I can only go by what I have read, but it sounds like the "Thia Stick" offered by Ace is probably about as close as you are going to get genetically to the original without backpacking around the remote villages of Eastern Asia asking questions of the locals that might get you thrown in a third world prison or worse.
"Thia Stick" is one of those things that has become a legend. Years ago it came into the scene. At the time it was the best stuff going around and it was very different from what people were used to so it left a strong and lasting impression. Since that time nostalgia and myth have blown it out of proportion into some sort of untouchable god smoke in the minds of those who tried it and then those who just heard about it and passed the stories on. Thia Stick was also not just about the genetics but where and how it was grown and cured. All of these things lend their own unique qualities to the end product.
It's a bit like how if you smoke some real Hawaiian sativa from the islands and keep a seed and plant it, the stuff you produce under your 1000w in hydroponics won't be the same as the stuff you remembered smoking. It will be similar but there will be differences.
Anyway, to make a long story short. Strains change over time and the ends product changes with how and where it was grown etc. We will probably never be able to completely reproduce the "Thia Stick" of 40 years ago but that is not to say that we can't produce something that is the same league as it was or that we can't get close to the original.
I can only go by what I have read, but it sounds like the "Thia Stick" offered by Ace is probably about as close as you are going to get genetically to the original without backpacking around the remote villages of Eastern Asia asking questions of the locals that might get you thrown in a third world prison or worse.
Heading to the bay now.....I love that old school late 70s Thai Stick ( dipped in opium) or was that a urban legend?
Hello guy fawkes,
Double Thai is more tamed and is much better choice if you plan to do a pure thai indoor grow, it's better adapted to artificial light, modern style of growing and is better yielding than Thai Stick and it's hermie free. Both strains are 100 % thai but they dont share same genetics.
Double Thai is Koh Chang Thai x Meo Thai hybrid, while Thai Stick is a pure thai landrace, a different untamed third thai line. Thai Stick comes straight from Gypsy Nirvana and wont be available in our 2013 catalogue, the stock was a bit old now for future commercial releases from our side but i think you still can find her at Seedboutique/Seedbay.
Certainly Thai Stick still can produce a few hermie plants but Double Thai is surprisingly firm in sex, especially considering the genetics involved.
Hope it helps! dubi - ACE Seeds -
Hello FireintheSky,
Looks like you got the old lot that had some germination problems, please send me an email to [email protected] and ill replace your pack. Sorry for any inconvenience and thank you very much for posting the packing date of the envelope. This is very important to identify any problem with lots and is a must for us to evaluate the replacement for the customer.
Best regards!
Looks like you got the old lot that had some germination problems, please send me an email to [email protected] and ill replace your pack. Sorry for any inconvenience and thank you very much for posting the packing date of the envelope. This is very important to identify any problem with lots and is a must for us to evaluate the replacement for the customer.
Best regards!
M
Mr Weedy
is double thai sticking around? its listed as limited edition on the site.
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Hello Mr Weedy,
There's a bit of Double Thai stock left but wont last for too long .... later we will need to work on new selections and production of fresh seeds, so she will be probably be out of stock for a while when the current stock is finished.
Thanks for your interest. dubi - ACE Seeds -
There's a bit of Double Thai stock left but wont last for too long .... later we will need to work on new selections and production of fresh seeds, so she will be probably be out of stock for a while when the current stock is finished.
Thanks for your interest. dubi - ACE Seeds -
Hey dubi you guys need to find that "acid" pheno of Gypsy's thai stick and breed with it! You'd never be in stock if ya did that lol I'd just keep buying up packs. Hoping Kanga makes something with it
meo thai?
meo thai?
hello,long time lurker,short time poster here.i noticed the other day as i was reading the vintage photography thread an article from an old high times where r was talking about the original thai stick was apparantly grown by the meo tribe,does anyone know if there is any truth in this? im perticauly interested in this as i have just finished golden tiger and had two different phenos,one malawi and i believe a longer flowering meo thai one,which is my favarite of the two. anyway mate if i was you i would grow the double thai,you cannot go wrong with ace genetics.
meo thai?
hello,long time lurker,short time poster here.i noticed the other day as i was reading the vintage photography thread an article from an old high times where r was talking about the original thai stick was apparantly grown by the meo tribe,does anyone know if there is any truth in this? im perticauly interested in this as i have just finished golden tiger and had two different phenos,one malawi and i believe a longer flowering meo thai one,which is my favarite of the two. anyway mate if i was you i would grow the double thai,you cannot go wrong with ace genetics.
hello,long time lurker,short time poster here.i noticed the other day as i was reading the vintage photography thread an article from an old high times where r was talking about the original thai stick was apparantly grown by the meo tribe,does anyone know if there is any truth in this? im perticauly interested in this as i have just finished golden tiger and had two different phenos,one malawi and i believe a longer flowering meo thai one,which is my favarite of the two. anyway mate if i was you i would grow the double thai,you cannot go wrong with ace genetics.
i have golden tiger on in bloom atm mate, she fast overtaking the room lol
thanks champ if i had the dosh i'd buy more double thai, ive got 45 of those older GN stick weed to go with my two packs. i was gonna ask you about the future of double thai and thai stick, was thinking those two 'limited editions' would be turned into one" but who knows, n i guess if the breeding is yet to be done or tested you may not know the future as yet yourself.
regardless im talking about two strains im yet to try so please dont think im trying to push someone in a particular direction as its more like im a bit nosey, wanting to know whats going on next. dont get me wrong a double thai with similar work put into it as something like panama could be a breeders gold mine.
guess im just a bit envious of you guys making those decisions, overall sounds like its not the worst life out their.
can you be frank about your thai seed sales compared to the shorter, 'easier' varieties please dubi, dont think its a harm just pointing out what people generally select for in their plants. dont think their is anything wrong with promoting the longer strains if the end result is there.
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Well, to be honest the tropical long flowering sativas doesnt sell so nice like 8 week indicas That's a fact and that's maybe cos we are not a mainstream seedbank but i think is very important to offer a work of this kind due the lack of genetic diversity/availability of this kind of tropical genetics in today's commercial genepool.
I havent started the new double thai selections, i did lot of work with the tropicals (hazes, haze/thais and double thai) in 2011 season so the work is already done for a few years, at least till stock lasts.
I like most the Koh Chang Double Thai phenos although they are extremely slow flowering (even slower than haze!), but amazing quality and much better aromas and effect than meo thai expressions.
Hope it helps!
That's a fact and that's maybe cos we are not a mainstream seedbank but i think is very important to offer a work of this kind due the lack of genetic diversity/availability of this kind of tropical genetics in today's commercial genepool. I havent started the new double thai selections, i did lot of work with the tropicals (hazes, haze/thais and double thai) in 2011 season so the work is already done for a few years, at least till stock lasts.
I like most the Koh Chang Double Thai phenos although they are extremely slow flowering (even slower than haze!), but amazing quality and much better aromas and effect than meo thai expressions.
Hope it helps!
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yes dubi your right about not being as mainstream due to the fact the slower flowering pure sativas are not as popular as the fast indicas, I searched for a long time to find a bank selling real sativas, but every time I looked into the background of the plants claiming to be pure sativas they always seemed to have some indica influence. Finally I found Ace and was like a kid in a candy store looking through your catalogue . The seeds you offer seem much fresher than what im used to getting as well and much more vigorous. Thank you and the Ace team for offering these genetics even though they aren't as mainstream, im very gratefull. sorry for an of topic response.
. The seeds you offer seem much fresher than what im used to getting as well and much more vigorous. Thank you and the Ace team for offering these genetics even though they aren't as mainstream, im very gratefull. sorry for an of topic response.Well, to be honest the tropical long flowering sativas doesnt sell so nice like 8 week indicas
I havent started the new double thai selections, i did lot of work with the tropicals (hazes, haze/thais and double thai) in 2011 season so the work is already done for a few years, at least till stock lasts.
I like most the Koh Chang Double Thai phenos although they are extremely slow flowering (even slower than haze!), but amazing quality and much better aromas and effect than meo thai expressions.
Hope it helps!
thanks i thought that might be the case im glad you guys are still on the job. interesting about the koh chang thai phenos i will have to look out for them.
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I'm gonna stick my neck out and say, I'm not sure if the Thai stick is a particularly good strain to run unless you're in tropical conditions. The issue is the amount of light and heat needed for properly flowering them. In effect, all tropical sativas are autoflowering, because in tropical climates, hours of daylight are fairly constant throughout the year. This means flowering through temperatures that anywhere else would be high summer, and this explains why many don't do so well outside of their native environment. I'm in subtropical conditions and the Thai stick finishes towards the middle of winter. On top of that, the amount of hay in the line was/is significant. Kangativa found a sole noteworthy plant in two packs, but Nevil who tried the first sample off that plant, wasn't so taken with the wild, murky high from what is an unselected landrace.
Armed with this information and given the choice, I'd go with Dubi's double Thai, which I'm sure has been selected for earlier flowering and greater consistency...
Armed with this information and given the choice, I'd go with Dubi's double Thai, which I'm sure has been selected for earlier flowering and greater consistency...
