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testing my patience - OGK outdoors in 12th week

testing my patience - OGK outdoors in 12th week


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floral

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While I tap my feet waiting for the chop, may as well post some pictures.

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day 77 - more pics from 11-12 wks below

STRAIN / PROVENANCE
These were cuts from an unknown OGK mom that ended up in my care when a friend had to downsize his garden. From the distinctive lemon/pine taste with skunky aroma I would guess maybe Larry or Lemon Larry.

SOIL
Grown in geopots (3gal-7gal size) with organic living soil, not completely veganic but no slaughterhouse ingredients. I do use PSG and bat guano 2 or 3x over the life of the plant, but mostly a three-step series as follows: FPEs one watering, followed by AACT the next, then plain molasses/citric acid water the next, then back to FPEs to start the cycle again.

LIGHTING
During veg, they spent their days outside and their nights inside under an inexpensive LED grow light and CFL lamp. In the third week of July, they went outside 24/7 and responded just about immediately with stretch/flowering. Was aiming to be done and chopping by the harvest moon on 9/29, but the plants begged to differ. Since week 10, they have been coming inside at night if the marine layer looks too thick.

THIS CYCLE
This is the 4th cycle from the same strain, so I am getting used to it, with one catch: in all of the previous cycles, mold forced me to cut no later than ~65 days into flowering.

This year, hardly any mold. Yay!
Possible reasons for the improved luck:
1. Weather has been less humid.
2. Sprayed and drenched Actinovate and sprayed Serenade on a regular basis (yes, even into flowering, as late as 8 weeks for the Actinovate), every Monday for Actinovate and every Thursday for Serenade.
3. Did a better job with pre-flowering pruning, allowing for better airflow between the natural OGK "golf ball" clusters, though overall shaping was done in a halfassed way. Next time I'll do better, though with the plants spending most of their time in the great outdoors, it will never be my top concern.
4. Sprayed lactobacillus/EM-1, AACT, and occasional Actinovate and Serenade around the outdoor area where the plants spend their time, so the entire area may have had more diverse microbial life to compete with the pathogens.
Who knows?

But because I have never before had a chance to grow this strain until it is definitively DONE, I can't make up my mind about whether to chop.

So are they ready or not? The evidence
FADE (NOT FLUSH)
The last FPEs they got were at 8 weeks exactly, and the last time they got any guano tea was around 6 weeks in. They have gotten less water since their 9th week, and now only get a tiny bit of molasses water when they are starting to wilt. The big yellow fan leaves were removed for airflow & mold prevention and the smaller fans are getting pale with purple and red tinges, though you can't really see the colors in the pics.

TRICHOMES
I see maybe 1% clear trichs on the calyxes, with 74-94% cloudy and 5-25% amber depending on which branch I'm looking at. Some cola tips have a honey-colored sheen to them and are no longer sparkly white.

PISTILS
60-90% of the pistils are withered and rusty... but the two plants in larger containers keep throwing up a few new white ones.


  • Trichomes and pistils are the #1 reason I am considering chopping at 12 weeks. That and the fact that my pruning finger is getting really itchy and it's been so long since I've trimmed I'm actually looking forward to it. LOL, we'll see how long that lasts once I get started.

CALYXES
The calyxes are as swollen as I've ever seen them--but remember that I have never seen the plants go further than 65 days due to mold. They have gotten much fatter just in the past few days.

GROWTH PATTERN & FLOWER STRUCTURE

"Golf balls" developing nicely, with some foxtail-y tips coming up in a few places.


  • Calyxes and growth pattern are the #1 reason I am thinking about waiting even later to chop.

AGE
Tomorrow will be 12 weeks. OGK is usually labeled for 9 weeks, ha ha. I was interested to note that recent samples from this year's plants have a similar feel to previous years' harvests which were cut much earlier. So early/late harvest doesn't seem to make a huge difference in the degree of zing or couchlock--the strain stays pretty true to itself. That said, I have no use for couchlock and will be extremely bummed if I end up with overripe flowers. Another argument for chopping at 12 weeks, I suppose.



Enough recreational typing. Now without further ado, the pictures.

First, some from Day 77, almost a week ago
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And here are a few from Day 81.
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floral

Member
Don't you love the dog fur blowing in the breeze in that last pic? I have to bring tweezers to the garden every day to deal with those and the little dandelion and vine seeds that blow into the flowers.
 

floral

Member
One other factor is that their outdoor spot only gets about 5 hours of direct sunlight each day at this time of year, down from 10hrs/day in June.
 

Cannastyle

Active member
Nice looking plants!

Have you taken a sample branch off yet? I would knock a sample branch off and if it gets you good and baked with a quick dry she should be nice....other factors like bag appeal come to mind as well.....The way you describe the trichs they sound pretty done to me....

Take my suggestions with a grain of salt though....I am not an outdoor grower....
 
I'd take some now and not have to worry about mold especialy if you don't want couch lock quick dry some and see the dense tops would be gone but the bottoms could mature more.
 

floral

Member
thanks, all

thanks, all

Thanks to everyone who's chimed in via the poll, the thread, or PMs. :tiphat:

@ Cannastyle, Oh yes, samples have been taken, and potency is what one would expect from OGK.

As for bag appeal, well, the only one I'm trying to impress is myself, so I am just aiming to bring forth the tastiest, best smelling, most effectively medicinal, organic, slaughterhouse-free, and most importantly non-couchlock-inducing flowers I can.

Never having been able to take this strain past 65 days, though, I have to go from pictures and 2ndhand reports, and guess when the benefits of letting plants ripen are outweighed by the risk of insidious mold, marauding caterpillars, sudden weird weather, trichs melting away into amber, and having our household's routine put on hold for harvest season.

@ Bud buster, yeah, I am leaning toward taking at least some of them now as anti-couchlock anti-mold insurance, and leaving some to finish for another week or two as anti-unripeness insurance. Harder to do with whole plants, and I am aiming for the slowest possible dry w/o mold so the plan is to cut whole plants at the base of the stem and then let my worms and some living mulch (clover) keep the soil alive for the next cycle.

Thx again. Any other words of wisdom more than welcome. I keep 2ndguessing myself so it's fantastic to hear from objective experienced sources.

:thank you:
 

floral

Member
Update
Chopped three smaller plants and selected oversized tops from larger plants at day 85.

Leaving the rest of the two larger plants a while longer. Let's see how ripe they can get - or how late into the season they can go w/o mold when humidity gets to 90% overnight, or how long they can withstand the accursed inchworms. Will update with pics if there are any worth seeing. Wish me luck. :)

Most years weather gets bad much earlier, so I may as well extend this cycle as late as possible while I have the opportunity.
 

Hazeo

Well-known member
Veteran
Hey Floral,

don´t you have a microscope? get one and check the trichomes.
When they are getting milky it starts to get interesting.
Some people harvest their plants when all trichomes are milky; then the weed will be more uplifting-high. When the trichomes are allover amber the weed will be more couch-locking/body accentuated.
If you use this method you can check every genetic, phenotype or plant for its ripeness...
...after a while you will get experienced which plant, at which coloration of the trichomes, is best for your purposes :)

high regards
Hazeo
 

floral

Member
To each her/his own. I doubt an organic biological fungicide like Actinovate (rated as safe and nontoxic for pets and people up to harvest day) sprayed at 8 weeks is going to ruin the taste of anything harvested 4 to 6 weeks later. In fact, having tasted for myself I can say for sure it doesn't. Mold, on the other hand...

But again, to each his/her own. Should we ever meet f2f I'll try not to be too offended when you turn down a taste of my latest organic harvest. :)
 

benzo

Active member
To each her/his own. I doubt an organic biological fungicide like Actinovate (rated as safe and nontoxic for pets and people up to harvest day) sprayed at 8 weeks is going to ruin the taste of anything harvested 4 to 6 weeks later. In fact, having tasted for myself I can say for sure it doesn't. Mold, on the other hand...

But again, to each his/her own. Should we ever meet f2f I'll try not to be too offended when you turn down a taste of my latest organic harvest. :)

Hey, on actinovate , I know it says safe to spray up to harvest day. But is that for vegetables that get rinsed off before consumption?
 

floral

Member
How did they turn out? Any dry bud pics?

The three plants I chopped on day 85 are still drying. Will try to remember to take some pics when they're out of their cool dark location and ready for trimming. I do have some pics of the plants that aren't chopped yet and will post a few when I get them off of my camera.

Of the other two plants, I think the one in the 7-gallon container that's showing more reds and purples will get chopped tomorrow a.m. (day 94) and the other one in the 5-gal container that's more yellow and lime green may be allowed to go a little bit longer - not because it's not done, but because I may never get to grow out this long ever again due to weather, mold, caterpillars, and so forth, so I might as well take advantage of this rare opportunity to see at least a small portion get as ripe as ripe can be.

Usually the smaller containers ripen faster for obvious reasons, but the 7-gallon plant has been in the same container for an extra few weeks due to transplant timing.

One other interesting observation I mentioned in the "organics for beginners" thread a week or so ago is that the plant in the peat-based mix ripened significantly faster than all of the others in coir-based mixes. Was trying to do a comparison of four different soil mixes and all the mixes produced equally healthy plants throughout the cycle, so I had sort of given up on paying attention to any differences, but then when charting the ripeness of each plant I noticed a big and consistent difference on how far along one of the plants was, and it was the only one in the peat-based mix. Just one data point, not a valid study or anything, but interesting nonetheless. Since I'll be recycling these soils I suppose I can see if round 2 in the same container also ripens faster.
 
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SeaMaiden

Don't you love the dog fur blowing in the breeze in that last pic? I have to bring tweezers to the garden every day to deal with those and the little dandelion and vine seeds that blow into the flowers.

Thistles are my problem. I leave 'em be and pick them out when trimming. By all other metrics, to my eye, she looks done(sk). As for the experiment and the differences you say you're observing between peat and coir--are the containers the same size and are all other factors equivalent? The differences that I've observed have more to do with container size than anything else.
 

floral

Member
Re: peat vs coir, yes, same container size, same everything else. Here's the original post in "organics for beginners", a thread that nobody seems to be reading. :)

Re: dog fur and thistles, yeah, I have added tweezers to my trimming tool array.

Chopping almost all of the remaining garden this morning, day 94. Just leaving one main stem and cluster of branches on one of them as an experiment.

Ironically, thus far when I have sampled, my favorite samples were taken at 9 weeks - shouldn't be a surprise, since sat-dominant hybrids are my preferred medicine. Next cycle I think I'll be ready to spend $ on genetics - been hesitating to do so while I was still trying a bunch of new techniques (FPEs, biochar, vermicomposting, etc.) but all the new techniques went as I'd hoped so I may allow myself to invest in growing exactly the right kind of medicine rather than whatever I have on hand, which in this case was clones from moms that a friend had to downsize a few seasons back. Guess I will start trying to figure out organic seed sources, if such a thing exists. There's always something more to learn in this world, no?

Took a last set of photos of the plants yesterday and will post when I get them from the camera. They're a lot more colorful than they were in the last pics.
 
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SeaMaiden

Oh man... organic cannabis seed sources...? Well, my seeds would qualify, but I am not certified or registered (nor can I do so for cannabis. Everything else I grow, yes, cannabis, no).

I have not been following the OFB thread, but I have been following the bokashi thread.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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no way those are done. look at all the white hairs. Everyone always pulls a week early. 8 week strains are 9 weekers. 12 weekers can go 20 sometimes. Especially a haze.
 

floral

Member
Here is what they look like at 13 weeks.

Here is the plant in the smaller container, whose sugar leaf is more lime green/yellow and less red/purple. (Big fan leaves are gone.)

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