Te most correct way of breeding too late strains earlier

[Sibbeli]

Hi,

I got three strains that are about a month too late for my Latitude, and I would like them to be early enough to be grown here.

I got earlier photos, I got IBL autos. But which way is the best one to go? I don´t want to loose too much of the late strains trait´s and overall appearance.

Is crossing with a much earlier photo, then breed some gen´s and then do a Bx the most used way, and after that again breed for early phenoes of the late strains?

This is a hypotetical question, and the strains could be any at all, just want to know the best way to do it, without loosing as little as possible of the late strains..

How would you have done?

 

[fjällhöga]

hej sibbeli !
Im not sure if breeding auto's is the correct way for you , to keep an auto line vigorous and potent , you need a healthy and relatively big population of individuals , which can get you into severe troubles , when you get caught with 100-200 or more plants flowering. There's no way to keep cuts as a backup , so you have to plant more seeds to get one or more of the desired phenotypes again , which then is no accurate instrument to keep potency high , hermies away and the vigor in the line ...

try to get some danish strains , those should be some of the best things possible for your latitude , most probably those are the ones which are quasi stable to some point ....

Friends of mine grew some danish stuff @55nL , but im sorry , i cant remember the name of the strain , danish <insert correct name >

hope this helps a bit

 

[Rinse]

With auto's it can get complex, because you will need to back cross to the auto most of the time to fix the auto trait, then inbreed. For this reason I would rather use an early photo male/s x Later strain fems, apparently the female parent passes down more in the way of terpenes to the next gen.

 

[MJPassion]

If the strains you want to keep are close to finishing by the end of your season, do a few filial generations. The strain could acclimate on it's own.

At the same time, develop an autoflowering variety.
No back crossing needed.
Auto x Photo = F1 Photo
F1 x F1 = F2: 25% Auto, 75% Photo
Auto x Auto = F3 Auto

 

[Sibbeli]

Fjällhöga, you´re from Sweden from the beginning? I got plenty of those Danish strains, and is going to germ alot more than 100-200 seeds anyway, so, yeah.. This country´s laws ain´t so forgiving as others. Could be alot worse too You probably mean Danish Passion, but they are also on the virgin of too late, they most probably will be ready beginning of the hunt here(10th Oct) and are some weeks earlier but not really super early for me. I got the Nepal, which should be as early as they come for me, but potency is a bit lacking, but otherwise a nice strain. It´s the hunt I would like to get the late one early enough, to not have me running in the woods when every farmer is out there with his pack of dogs, could be quite so interesting!

Anyone know how early HFH SE is, at what lat?

Rinse, thank´s for the info, have that written down somewhere, but it had slipped my mind. Problem is, seeded, the late strain most definately is way too late.

MJPassion, that way is what I meant in the OP, It is nice benefit of getting the Auto for "free". The thought of running a few filial´s to let it acclimatize have also been thought of, selecting early m x early f should make it earlier ofc, but question is if there isn´t a faster way without loosing too much of it´s original character.

If, I cross with an auto, is there some kind of guidance on how much earlier it usually get´s after the initial photo x auto cross?

 

[browntrout]

In pure or landrace sativas it is said that the earlier phenos are often more lcosely related to hemp. Many respected breeders use a method in which you use a sativa female and a male indica to get the best results. It seems the sativa plants when male are harder to spot potential in.

But for you sake I would take a male from the long flowering plant that isn't overly early and breed it to a strain that is slightly early or earlier in your climate. Sativa males drop pollen rather quickly and usually about 3 if not more weeks before the sativa females ripen. I have done this with a North Inidan sativa male, results were as expected.

BT

 

[MJPassion]

I don't know of a faster way to acclimate your strain.

By crossing your desired strain to another variety you gain some diversity but you loose some of your desired characteristics as well.

All I really know... It's a long twisted road, once ya get the bug for chuckin pollen n seaching through the resulting seeds. It's a lot of fun too.

 

[browntrout]

You may be able to hybridize your late strains with early strains that share the desired characteristics. Deep chunk is special in that it allows the traits of the opposing parent to shine through and even become magnified in some cases. But DC is fairly late on it's own.

BT

 

[Sibbeli]

I have ODH´s IBL strains, all of them, got superautos from him, around 30 different strains meant for real auto breeding and when he send me seeds, meant for breeding, then they are either true IBL or very near it.

I´m on sh.co forum with a thread if you are interested in what im doing, lies in HFH subforum links to it in the outdoor growing section.

Im going to do a true polyhybrid hashplant from acclimatized Moroccan strain, Lebanese strain, nepal strain and also Afghan.

I have 20 repotted morrocans up and around 8 Leb27, so Im´germing the rest leb27 I have now today, also will talk to dyr and see if he can send me some nepal that I really need and the ikings i had, i lot in a move....... So I need viking as afghan and nepal from TSD fo my project.

When Im releasing it it will be underr the name "True Hashplant" Able to grow everywhere as my focus is up to Lat62-63.

It will take some years thou as leb27/viking is IBL:ish Morrocan is IBL:ish and Nepal is Open pollinated all the way, so I might need to sow some 40 nepals.

The reason for me sowing this late, in june is that we have had 10c@night and 10-15c at day, and the oones that are a month old, is just on their third node, not including the cotyleidons. It has been by far the worst spring ever...

I also live in a ensely populated area, and have unlimited acces to pots, so I repot them until the warm weatherr comes and then they will go out. It is rainaing constantly here almost for a month and the ones repotted, Moroccan/DP/WS07 grow slower now than when they were in their 25cm high plastic boxes that is translucent, ordinary plastic boxes meant for storing is a way cheaper and also better thing to buy for seedlings than epensive shitty one time use plastic GH´s for about 11€ when these cost 6€ and will be able to use them for atleast 5 years OD me thinks If I just take them in when finished with them.

today I am germing alot of seeds, not shure on what yet..

I will check my breeding books and see what I got growing and after that sow what´s more thats needed but more Leb27 is needed and also the nepals, GG#1/2 HFH SE, Green ErdPurT is for shure to be sown, but I have about 65-70 strains on hand, half is autos rest is photos.

I will post a thread here in the HFH section soon, just need to work some before and dig more.

I got a work at a garden center so I get free ssoil and free pots, everything for free, really really nice, but it does make my shotggun breeding approach somewhat smaller me thinks. But I most probably still will do more than 30 hybrids because of th different autos I put on every single phot spot, to make 2 new lines of every Photo xAf: earlier photo adn photo AF.

 

[sprinkl]

Hi,

I got three strains that are about a month too late for my Latitude, and I would like them to be early enough to be grown here.

Is crossing with a much earlier photo, then breed some gen´s and then do a Bx the most used way, and after that again breed for early phenoes of the late strains?

I would hope that the most used way is selecting within a population, to keep the strain pure.

There will always be later and earlier specimens in a population. By breeding with the early specimens you can make earlier generations. Quality will have to be checked thoroughly. Early plants are notorious for being bad breeding material. So while you may go one step forward on flowering time, you may go back two steps taste wise/potency/quality of high. You may need to work several parallel lines, do backcrosses etc, it's going to be a lot of work, and you may not be able to keep all the qualities of the original strain.
But it's a noble undertaking, that's for sure

On the other hand making new polyhybrids will be easier to get them to flower earlier. Several genes that cause early flowering will combine and create earlier plants without losing much quality.
If the moroccan is anything like the one female seeds offers it won't be possible to get much earlier than that. Most strains from temperate zones like you listed have early finishers in them.