tale of mystery - Dyatlov Pass

[igrowone]

for those who like a good mystery, this is a fine one
the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident

here's an excerpt that gives the overview

The Dyatlov Pass incident was an event that took the lives of nine hikers in mysterious circumstances on the night of February 2, 1959 in the northern Ural Mountains. The name Dyatlov Pass refers to the name of the group's leader, Igor Dyatlov.
The incident involved a group of nine experienced ski hikers from the Ural Polytechnical Institute (Уральский политехнический институт, УПИ) who had set up camp for the night on the slopes of Kholat Syakhl. Investigators later determined that the skiers had torn their tents from the inside out. They fled the campsite, probably to escape an imminent threat. Some of them were barefoot, under heavy snowfall. The bodies showed signs of struggle; Dyatlov had injuries to his right fist, as if he had been in a fist fight. One victim had a fractured skull and another was found with brain damage without any sign of distress to the skull. One of the skull fractures was so severe it was determined that he would not have been able to move. Additionally, one woman's tongue was missing. Soviet authorities determined that an "unknown compelling force" had caused the deaths; access to the region was consequently blocked for hikers and adventurers for three years after the incident. Due to the lack of survivors, the chronology of events remains uncertain, although several possible explanations have been put forward, including an avalanche, a military accident[citation needed], and a hostile encounter with a yeti or other unknown creature.

 

[mr.brunch]

Maybe another case of lead in the food cans leaking out into the food , causing hysteria.
This has happened in the past, ( franklin expedition, I think?)
Just a stoned thought

 

[Green Squall]

It's always bugged me that there hasn't been a solid explanation for what happened. I've always thought it was a combination of an avalanche and the whole paradoxical hypothermia thing. As for the radiation, I read somewhere that the mantles in those old lamps contained thorium and could emit radiation. I'm not saying this is what happened, it just seems like the most plausible scenario.

Have you seen Devils Pass? Pretty cool movie.

 

[_tessarecting]

...a yeti?

 

[igrowone]

It's always bugged me that there hasn't been a solid explanation for what happened. I've always thought it was a combination of an avalanche and the whole paradoxical hypothermia thing. As for the radiation, I read somewhere that the mantles in those old lamps contained thorium and could emit radiation. I'm not saying this is what happened, it just seems like the most plausible scenario.

Have you seen Devils Pass? Pretty cool movie.

not seen the movie, this incident is good movie material imo
the avalanche is the most likely explanation, but the physical evidence just doesn't jibe

 

[igrowone]

...a yeti?

i guess why not? so strange a yeti had to be involved
and not just a yeti, but a tongue eating yeti, the worst kind

 

[CosmicGiggle]

... a tongue eating yeti, the worst kind

I've heard about them, they are the worst!

 

[Green Squall]

Many people think the Mansi were involved. They are an indigenous people located in that area who had been hostile towards outsiders in the past. But then again, many of them actually helped in the search and rescue. So many theories!

 

[_tessarecting]

They helped because they were guiltridden

aliens

 

[igrowone]

what i've read describes 6 of the 9 deaths were from freezing, that part is kind of cut and dried
the others had physical injuries that are extremely difficult to account for
traumas that couldn't have been caused directly by other humans, forces required were too high
some unaccounted physical event caused that trauma, then the others slashed tents and ran for it from whatever that event was
the injured seem to have been helped to move down to the group's 'final stand'
there doesn't seem to be much evidence for avalanche, which is about the only thing that could make for a plausible explanation

 

[Genghis Kush]

it says the injured where in a ravine under 4 meters of snow


sounds like a bear chased them out and then lingered around the camp long enough for the 6 to freeze to death, the three others wandered off and got crushed by an avalanche

 

[igrowone]

it says the injured where in a ravine under 4 meters of snow


sounds like a bear chased them out and then lingered around the camp long enough for the 6 to freeze to death, the three others wandered off and got crushed by an avalanche

a bear occurred to me, but the conditions make it seem unlikely
extreme cold, but i seem to half remember some accounts that have mentioned bears active in the deep winter
no track evidence as far as i could tell, but snow conditions could make it difficult

 

[_tessarecting]

If a bear is wandering and not hibernating its deranged for some reason, lack of food and drought is known to cause this for example, it would for sure attack a camp without even thinking twice

 

[igrowone]

If a bear is wandering and not hibernating its deranged for some reason, lack of food and drought is known to cause this for example, it would for sure attack a camp without even thinking twice

i guess not impossible
likely a brown bear in that region? pretty similar to a grizzly
no physical evidence of bear attack on the injured, at least that's how i read the evidence summary
but just the presence of a bear could cause panic, that could explain some things

 

[_tessarecting]

I saw what a bear did to a piece of property in Tahema co because of this exact reason...total devastation...would be terrifying to encounter one in this state of mind

 

[Green Squall]

Here's a good article that answers a lot of questions. I just came across it.

http://www.aquiziam.com/mysteries/conspiracies-and-cover-ups/dyatlov-pass-answers/

 

[Stoner4Life]

most definitely a yeti.......


EDIT:
the abominable snowman.

 

[Stoner4Life]

 

[igrowone]

Old mysteries are seldom solved, but we may have an exception here.
A Russian investigation has concluded the infamous Dyatlov incident was the result of an avalanche.
In a nutshell, the victim's tents were partially buried in an avalanche. They ripped and clawed their way out only to emerge in -40 C air and succumb to hypothermia. Link below but just internet search if not a fan of the dailymail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rs-skiers-victims-hypothermia-NOT-aliens.html

 

[igrowone]

It can be funny how a mystery won't die.
Another set of scientists tell how the mystery is indeed solved.
And their explanation details why you probably shouldn't believe the explanation. It's really quite good.

The link: https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021/01/new-scientific-study-solves-dyatlov-pass-mystery-again/

But I took the liberty of putting up the text for the link adverse.



New Scientific Study Solves Dyatlov Pass Mystery (Again?)

Paul Seaburn January 30, 2021

Nine young hikers came to a mysterious end in the winter of 1959 on a frigid remote pass in the Ural mountains, launching Dyatlov Pass into the world lexicon and kicking off a search for the reasons how they died and why their bodies were found scattered around the area, some with horrific and baffling injuries, others with none, some in various stages of undress, all frozen to death. When conventional causes proved inconclusive, the strange and bizarre quickly emerged – UFOs, aliens, Yeti, radiation from a secret rocket test, secret heat ray weapon, poisoned alcohol, KGB killing, a vacuum bomb and more. None of those has been confirmed either, so a group of scientists went back to one of the conventional causes and revealed this week the most plausible scientific explanation for the Dyatov Pass incident.

Drum roll, please.

“Here we show how a combination of irregular topography, a cut made in the slope to install the tent and the subsequent deposition of snow induced by strong katabatic winds contributed after a suitable time to the slab release, which caused severe non-fatal injuries, in agreement with the autopsy results.”

If you missed the clues (irregular topography, cut, snow, slab release), the authors of the study, published in the journal Communications, Earth & Environment, concluded that the Dyatlov Pass hikers were run over by a small avalanche which them the injuries and scattered them and their belongings, forcing their deaths by hypothermia.

Arguments against the avalanche theory, please.

A snow avalanche is not a new probable cause – in fact, it was one of the first proposed and first rejected. For one thing, there was no sign of an avalanche when rescuers finally arrived. Second, the slope was less than the minimum angle for an avalanche. Third, the hikers fled their tents in the middle of the night – not a typical avalanche time. Finally, not all of the injuries appeared to be of the type normally seen in avalanche victims.

Arguments for the slab avalanche, please.

Johan Gaume, head of the Snow and Avalanche Simulation Laboratory at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne, and Alexander Puzrin, a researcher at the Institute for Geotechnical Engineering in Zurich, studied records from the time of the incident and then ran them through a digital avalanche model. A slab avalanche addressed the main “it’s not an avalanche” objections. The angle of the slope was steeper than reported and subsequent snowfalls reduced the pitch and also smoothed over the signs of an avalanche. While the cut in the slope was made during the day, extreme winds blew as much as a foot of snow above the highest tent, weighing it down enough to cause a break and a slab avalanche. Finally, because the hikers were asleep in a vertical position, the injuries they suffered would not have looked the same as those of people upright while hiking, skiing or running away. (Excellent drawings of the above can be seen in the study.)

Time for a “That’s it!” drumroll?

“In conclusion, our work shows the plausibility of a rather rare type of snow slab instabilities that could possibly explain the Dyatlov Pass incident. Yet, we do not explain nor address other controversial elements surrounding the investigation such as traces of radioactivity found on the victims’ garments, the behavior of the hikers after leaving the tent, locations and states of bodies, etc. While possible explanations are given in multiple published sources as well as by both the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation, we believe that this will always remain an intrinsic part of the Dyatlov Pass Mystery.”

Gaume and Puzrin hedge their bets by using the word “plausibility” in their conclusion. Still, it seems to be the best argument for a slab avalanche cause for the Dyatlov Pass incident. Will it convince those hoping for aliens, Yeti or one of the other unconventional explanations? No drum roll needed here.