taking a clone from a clone from a clone

[GroovyFeeling]

Hello was woundering if taking clones from clones would have any effects on the plants if were talking a time period of perhaps 3 years? (4-5 times cloning a year)


Wold this have any effect on the plant and if how many times could you keep using clones for clones soo that you could skipp motherplants?

 

[chubbynugs]

If you have a separate space for veg i think a mom should be kept. My good bud grew the same ssh he had been growing going on 12 years. He got the seeds in amsterdam back in 95 and kept cloning and making new moms out of the clones and he said he lost none of the original vigor or potency/flavor.

 

[JackOneill]

mother plants are the way to go since you are keeping the original genetics intact and when you start making a copy of copy there starts to be degradation in quality just like if you kept copying a cd from a copy from a copy.

 

[pothead6]

its like copying a piece of paper eventually things become blurry or non exsistant but this may not be true with all plants i really dont know

 

[AinSophAur]

its like copying a piece of paper eventually things become blurry or non exsistant but this may not be true with all plants i really dont know

no this is not how genetics work. The answer is yes you can do it without any "degradation" of genetics for as long as you want.

 

[Floro Joe]

you can do it without any "degradation" of genetics for as long as you want.

This guy's right. It's not like the movie "Multiplicity".

 

[pothead6]

no this is not how genetics work. The answer is yes you can do it without any "degradation" of genetics for as long as you want.

well i learned something new today lol

 

[Chili_berkster]

makes no difference how many times you clone a clone a clone. It's always gonna be the same unless you change up the environment or different feedings. Only then will you see a difference, and the difference beign how big or how healthy. Cause it will always be genetically the same. Now if you stress a certain clone so many times with powerful sprays and nasty chems. It could be possible to fuck it up. But unlikely if you ask me.
We clone a clone a clone. Have for many many years using the same clones. Never seen any problems unless we made changes to nutes or light intensities. But in the end its the same plant over and over. I would bet we could do this for many many more if given the chance, luck, and love.

 

[eLiguL]

My thoughts:

Well you have to understand what constitutes a genetic change in order to claim an alteration. My understanding is a genetic's is only changed when two unique specimen combine to create a third unique specimen. Logic will lean towards the fact that a clone of a clone is just as good as the original.

Thats just my thoughts on this subject.

 

[Storm Crow]

Bio major, first time around in college...

Bio major, first time around in college...

Ideally, you should be able to take the clone of a clone of a clone of a clone and you should have no degradation. Each plant should be genetically identical.

But in real life it doesn't always work that way! Have you ever seen a tree or shrub with a single branch that is different? This is called a bud mutation. I had a pot plant do that- one branch had leaves of cream and green, the rest of the plant was normal. Now, bud mutations can occur when you are cloning and you get a plant that is odd in some way. Might be good or bad. So although under ideal circumstances, clones should be genetically identical, sometimes they are not.

There is a sort "genetic repair" that is like bud mutations- I have a tree in my yard that is an example of this. For the most part, it is a perfectly cone-shaped conifer tree and grows like that without any trimming, but one branch has reverted to a normal "wild-type" growth. When we create an extreme mutant strain, the plant may "decide" to revert to a more normal genetic pattern. These "repair" mutations are usually good for the survival of the plant.

Either one of these, a bud mutation or repairing, can change your clones, but it is only a small number of clones that do this. Keeping a mother solves the problem, but taking a clone of a clone of a clone isn't a bad thing most of the time. - Granny

 

[YwouldntI]

i been cloning off clones for a few years now and there is no difference in quality

 

[Guest]

I'm still cloning the same blockhead ordered from 2003 and plan to indefinately.

 

[eLiguL]

Ideally, you should be able to take the clone of a clone of a clone of a clone and you should have no degradation. Each plant should be genetically identical.

But in real life it doesn't always work that way! Have you ever seen a tree or shrub with a single branch that is different? This is called a bud mutation. I had a pot plant do that- one branch had leaves of cream and green, the rest of the plant was normal. Now, bud mutations can occur when you are cloning and you get a plant that is odd in some way. Might be good or bad. So although under ideal circumstances, clones should be genetically identical, sometimes they are not.

There is a sort "genetic repair" that is like bud mutations- I have a tree in my yard that is an example of this. For the most part, it is a perfectly cone-shaped conifer tree and grows like that without any trimming, but one branch has reverted to a normal "wild-type" growth. When we create an extreme mutant strain, the plant may "decide" to revert to a more normal genetic pattern. These "repair" mutations are usually good for the survival of the plant.

Either one of these, a bud mutation or repairing, can change your clones, but it is only a small number of clones that do this. Keeping a mother solves the problem, but taking a clone of a clone of a clone isn't a bad thing most of the time. - Granny

That sounds more like a damaged plant than a genetic change. If the portion that you chose for a clone is in perfect health then would you say you can avoid this "bud mutation"?

 

[bassmechanic27]

A clone of a clone of a clone is still from the original plant. There is no degredation. A clone from a plant you cut a year ago is a year old, just small. Same DNA. If that is better for you to do, you have nothing to worry about. Good luck!

 

[gnarly]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/martyz/45714796/

 

[clowntown]

I know there are quite a few threads like it, because I've seen many, but one particular title that comes to mind is:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=35028

 

[gnarly]

My thoughts:

Well you have to understand what constitutes a genetic change in order to claim an alteration. My understanding is a genetic's is only changed when two unique specimen combine to create a third unique specimen. Logic will lean towards the fact that a clone of a clone is just as good as the original.

Thats just my thoughts on this subject.

Not true.. genetic differentiation occurs through multiple ways. Reproduction is one way, varied gametes included. DNA mutation is another way and can sometimes occur during cell division & DNA transcription/translation. Single changes in codons can result in varied nucleic acid sequences, and thus altered proteins. Since proteins code for exactly what you will be phenotypically, this matters...

How's that for sharing my learning from school?!

AHA! i just looked up wiki about genetic mutation, and forgot to include chemical mutagens, viruses, and UV Light exposure (which if i recall) causes bonds between the thymine on sequential nucleotide bases.