TAG - Landing (Resource for True Aero Growing)

[Guest]

Yeah! I can't wait to see it GroNut. The AK is a huge success...I was curious what your drying and curing procedures are? Those nuggz look so nice and picture perfect. I could eat them like M&M's

The Widows were vegged for a month and were about 12" tall going in, they really didn't stretch much, but I did top them and take new clones so that each only had about 3-5 branches to line. Which, as you saw...they did quite nicely for a 'low yield' strain. The TrainWreck I've been playing with is exceptionally fast, if you want a zero veg...7 week finisher. Its amazing. Excellent high as well.
Here is how they looked first assembled to give you an idea...



This is what my stock usually looks like...




The strains I find that do the best are the Sat. Dominants, particularly the NL strains or the White lines. I had a Widow that became infamous on OG, lol oddly...called Clone 8 as she was the 8th clone of a group I had lost track of. They were mix of Skunk, Bubble and Widow clones.

She always grew twice as fast and twice as thick...awesome freak!



Note: The reason this is such an exceptional clone is that this one was put into root a week after all the others you see in the cloner. Those roots are daily changes in her growth...she was a monster!

I thought at first she was a Bubble, because the Bubbles I've grown in DWC, FAG and TAG have just busted out with growth and vigor. However, she was a Widow after all and would out preform even her siblings. It was freaky.

I lost her in the massacre as well... Friday the 13th was a very dark day for R2G...lol

Basic clone...



This is Clone 8 again on the left...you want these to become your strain reps. They will blow everyone else away.

Not all clones are created equal...



However, I have this new RhinoxBlue that is doing excellent and is a speed vegger. The best trick is to find your fastest, healthiest TAGer and use her for your strain exclusive as the runts just never catch up. I have now one Cinnamon, one Bubble and One RhinoxBlue that are just sprinters. Soon to have a few others....as I'm collecting my moms now.

but I've seen zero veg that gets just as huge...it depends on the strain and the lighting...I have to be honest and tell you that the Full Spec MH I am currently using promotes NO stretch at all...I almost want to swap out as the clones are so stubby. If you use a nice combination or full spec MH you'll be alright for height. The thickness is going to be the issue...but don't just settle for my 'warnings' you could, as stated, grow them 'sickle' style and run them 9" on center...who knows..really...

This is only my 3rd TAG so, its still somewhat new to me. I'm just working out that nutes now...and now that is done, this will be the first ratio balanced run.

Botanicare did an admirable job with the Widows, but I've got great hopes for this ONE.

 

[JustATry]

Finished the grow this afternoon. Changed out the PBP to DM1. Running the recommended dosage of 40ml One per gallon. PPM's came out to 1450 @ 3.8 pH. Had to add some pH up to balance out at 5.6 and 1465 PPM's. Didn't have time to get Max, Folitech, or Penetrator. PR - I think you are right on with TDS' right now. I am guessing with the other three additives I will be approaching 1650-1700. And my combo meter only goes up to 2000.

The One Veg has a totally different smell to it than the Flower and Potash+ do. Smells just like Floralicious, not very good. I am going to veg for a couple more days to let these last clones beef up and then flip to flower.

 

[Guest]

Ahhhh shit, JAT you are going to have a shit load of weed... Awesome..you have to send me a care package of your delights! lol I can not wait...You're clones are perfect for this grow...you are Go! For take off buddy...and you are going to freak out!

Yeah, freaky that the DM1 hits that ph out of the bottle...I wonder if it is calibrated for tap? Botanicare is like that, if you don't use the Cal Mag first and just RO it comes out like 4.2 I think.

But I just wont use tap...lol, So, Ph up it is...however I think you could also use a silica blast or seaweed extract that would be a nice complement...

 

[JustATry]

Yeah, I am hoping to have a monster harvest too! 6-8 weeks will tell!

Correction on the pH and TDS levels. I didn't add the Potash+ like the recipe stated - 6 ml. I added that just a bit ago and it bumped my PPM's up to 1700 with a pH of 6.6 - which was already adjusted @ 5.6. It looks like the extra K in the Potash helps to offset the low pH out of the One bottle. I am pretty sure I would have hit the window dead on if I would have added the P+ from the start.

I am going to try and pick up the other additives tomorrow. I have been reading about the awesome results everyone has had with the Penetrator and Folitech combo.

Anyone know where to get the Guardian by DM?

 

[Guest]

You will probably find that they are just hormones like I listed on the nutrient thread. I hate when they wont list whats in their crap...lol You know it is something simple then.

GIBBERELLIC ACID (GA3)

Probably the best known of the plant hormones. It's produced by the plants tips and is responsible for the plant growth. Most use it in two ways:

1) If they want to germinate seeds, they soak the seeds first in a solution of GA3 (200ppm) for 24 hours. Compared to unsoaked seeds, the soaked seeds germinate faster, a better percentage of germinations and they grow like crazy.

2) After the clones have rooted and are established (usually 10 days), give them a foliar spray of 30ppm GA3. This makes them literally "take off". You can almost see them actually growing.

The problem with GA3, is that most growth is in the form of "stretching" which isn't always diserable, so except for seeds and clones, most don't use GA3 ever again in the plants cycle.

GA3 has some other uses as well. You can intiate male fowers on a female plant but using high doses every day for several days, you can also induce flowers earlier and yield bigger flowers but I haven't tried that yet.

BRASSINOLIDE

This is one of the main hormones used. Concentration use is approximately 0.1ppm as a foliar spray about every three weeks with a final spray just as you change the lights for flowering. It will increase a plants resistance to stress (cold, drought, too high a salt content), it helps the plant locate light, it strengthens a plants resistance to disease. It will also stimulate a plant to grow it's overall root mass. The overall effect is that the plant will be much healthier, stronger and thus the yield will be better. It is estimated that the effect is about a 50% better yield than the untreated plants.

6-BENZYLAMINOPURINE

Another favourite, depending on the concentration used, the effects are thicker and stronger stems, healthier and larger leaves (more surface area to capture light) at 300 ppm. If you find that youwould like a plant to have more branches, you give it a foliar spray of 2000ppm. This is called hormonal pruning and the advantage is that you don't need to pinch of the plants growing tip (thus decreasing the gibberrelins), the plant stays healthy and doesn't stop growing to repair the tip.

Another big bonus. If you spray MJ with 300ppm at the end of the 4th week of flowring there is a dramatic increase in bud growth. Combined with the earlier spraying of Brassinlide that most do at the start of flowering, the end result is outstanding in terms of quality and yield.

MEPIQUAT CHLORIDE

This is actually a growth inhibitor. It is sold in Hydro stores in pre-made solutions under various brand names. The idea is that it will stop the plant growth when it's time to start flowering. Not only does this control the final height (useful if you have a low ceiling problem), but also the plant will start to allocate it's growth resources into bud growth sooner. I resisted using this product because I don't have a height problem.The effect you see is that bud size that were usually about 5 weeks old are now bud size at 3 weeks. This gives you larger early buds and as you know, you can only build from there. Most hit the plants with the Benzylaminopurine and the bud growth takes off, supposedly. This hormone is relatively new to me concentration known to use is about 10ppm.

 

[Guest]

Oddly JAT I could only find a Canadian supplier and one other in the US...strangely down in the keys?

http://www.simplyhydroponics.com/guardian.htm

This place sells some seriously cool shit for advanced hydrohed...worth bookmarking I think!

http://www.amhydro.com/shop/nutrientadd.html


Hey JAT, with this TW...do you always have to top it or can you grow a sickle? I have a number of clones that are just pretty much a straight stick with a flower at the end, should I chop that off, or will they fill the stem? There are no branches to speak of...

 

[JustATry]

Forsure top that TW. It will side branch like crazy and you will end up with 8-10 flower sites, versus 2-3.

 

[HOVAH]

Skunk 1?

Skunk 1?

just finished with Dutch Passion's Skunk 1, nice buzz but not too hard,it tasted pretty good too,and it will put u to sleep!! i just wanted something a little harder ,but my girl loved it ,she said it was good with sex , i guess thats the reason shes knocked up know!! lol , i got the diesel now Does the Original Skunk 1 hit harder ?
1HOVAH

 

[TAG-monk]

Hie HOVAH !

the replie is a plain simple Yes. As i understand the dutch passion's skunk is not near as pure as The Pure. They have done the same thing with the Blueberry. It is supposed to come directly from DJshort, but have its not close to the quality of the original Djshort blueberry. Stay tuned i have just read a good review about The Pure last day from a member here. Was pretty well writed. i will try to find it.

 

[TAG-monk]

Found it!

If u want to see them grow--- http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=8293

If u want the smoke report---- http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12142&highlight=pure

hope its help!

 

[Guest]

Interestingly I ran the DP Skunk 1# in my FAG with Oasis and found, though I heard the same reports as HOVAH, that it totally kicked ass. Not only did it preform as a perfect example of 'Text Book' weed, hitting every mark right on the day, but the buzz was excellent and as mentioned my hard core (kids of growers) clients love it so much they keep requesting I get more.

This is over the Widow and the Oasis. I personally have to say it was an excellent example of the perfect 8 for weed. It was THE example and the strain I'd use to 'test' anything as it is literally text book in its growth.

But I loved it, easy to grow, easy to predict, little fussy with the Ca & K, but that was my fault. Others said it was the most amazing Skunk 1# they had ever smoked...so who knows? I might just be the luck of the draw or the style or nutes used.

I'd like a clone of the Pure as I'd like to compare and see what, if any, the difference is...because it was totally underrated to me. Just my 2¢.

 

[TAG-monk]

Cool to know that PR!,... so u have run the Nirvana skunk AND the DP? and as for the DP skunk, do u got multiple phenotype or its was really really stable? Its of course interesting, because the real skunk#1 beeing an IBL, its totaly possible that DP have simply ----"stole"----(not a negative way, they totaly have the right to do it) from classic genetic of TFD or sam the skunkman (seedsman). I have choose "The Pure" because its seems to be the best deal, but in no way its the only one to be good lol

 

[Guest]

About as predictable and stable a strain as they come.

About as predictable and stable a strain as they come.

I thought it might be the Nirvanna...but I was growing Dutch Passion Oasis... they are Dutch Passion Skunk 1# as I remember ordering them for the Gold, I was looking for Hawaiian Gold in something. But I got seeds from Seedsdirect as well. It IS the true 8 on the 1-10 scale. Perfect 8! Like I said, everyone on OG pooppooed it, but everyone (including myself) that smoked it fell in love with it. And yeah, makes me freakin' hornery than a desert toad also.

Skunk #1 Indoor / Greenhouse

Winner of several harvest festivals, and “High Times” Cannabis Cup. Skunk#1 (75% Sativa, 25% Indica) was originally a cross between 25% Afghani, 25% Mexican Acapulco Gold and 50% Columbian Gold. Inbred since 1978, now a stabilized homogeneous strain. Blooms with long, thick buds, varying in colour from light green to golden. Very high flower to leaf ratio. Mold susceptible the last 6 weeks of flowering. Soft and sweet aroma and a very strong “up” high. Excellent variety for indoor growing or greenhouse with darkening system. Very high yields. Easy to manicure. This variety serves as a standard against which others can be measured.

THC = 8.1%

Flowering period: 7 - 11 weeks

Here is my FAG on it...I wasn't even paying attention to them as I was focused on the Oasis and a recovered Bubble I found. But these are mediumless seedlings, if you want the full story you can look it up on OG under R2G's Oasis Skunk FAG. All I can say is Text Book, Text Book, Text Book... she is the perfect model to measure all strains. Mine smelled of overripe grapefruit and cat piss...odd combo, but the high was very mellow drifting and very creative...I would work for 40 hours straight just tokin' along all day long...no tired feeling, very optimistic and I always felt like I could see right through every problem and pull out solutions left and right...a very nice euphoric high. I recommend it, which is why I was asking...I'd like the 'original' in my garden of Eden if I could manage it. Excellent bud...very reactive to TAG, however...I got mad Ca lockout freckles..it is how I found the Bubbliscious as it stood out as the only one not getting freckles and massive K def..yet.




This was a male I had to take..JAT you can see the difference of FAG roots and TAG roots, no?



Still super healthy! But no fish bones, no hair...and yet...



The pheno I had was very standard..like I said..I was blow away at how text book this strain was. It did everything by the book right up to finishing on day 56...really just 2 the Tee.

This is a before and after..



I'd say both the Oasis and the Skunk 1# were under rated by all, or maybe it was just growing them organically with BC in a 'aero' environment that allowed them to reach full potential, but the highs were excellent.

The Oasis hit with the first exhale, it tightened your skull and dragged you backwards into any reclining postion for at least 1 hour of daytripping, where as the Skunk #1 immediately made me feel like I was grinning all the time for no reason and was an immediate 'moonwalk' out the door. No paranoia, light bouyant cruise through life and events. The Oasis was more of the stay at home and feel completely at ease, the skunk was fun for crowds and shopping...hours wasted at home depot. lol It is where most of my ideas for EvaPods and that shit came from...skunkin' it.

 

[TAG-monk]

It will surely be very interesting compare my skunk to ur skunk! "my skunk is better then urs!" lol hehe

And talking about this, the oasis from DP is the only one NL#2 am i right? i done a bit of research and didnt find anything. I wanted to grow something in the NL lineage but the nl#5 i think was too much "classic indica" for me. But NL#2 have one exotic look. I already think try that for my second or third aero grow.

Humm i know what iam gonna do. First grow--- Skunk#1 (the pure)
Second grow--- Oasis
Third grow ----- Dutchmen's royal orange
Other grow----- The best of the first 3 !

seems good?

 

[Guest]

YEsss....it does..lol, and JAT...R2G's fuckin' water park is back in full force.

I'm all caught up yaking here with the T-m and completely forgot about the 10 gallon bucket I was filling with my RO..lol (don't even..lol) I know, I know..lo idiot.

Some things never change. So, it has been watering my carpet in my grow room for a couple hours I suppose..lol. I just went up to switch off the lights and check on the new moms and the carpet was soaking wet around the res. I thought, "Oh shit...a leak" then I remembered...'Oh shit! The RO!' bucket was just dripping over like a nice water fountain should. lol

So, out comes the trusty WetVac..and DeHumifier again..lol...A must for idiots like me. what a tool, eh? I blame the AK 47.

T-m, about that Oasis..yeah, its the NL#2 strain...weird ass plant, WEIRD ASS! No joke. The pistils are like tentacles they are thick and 'army' and they look like 'armpit hair' at the joints of the branches...

The Branches which grow like freakin' celery stalks and leaves like a freakin' spinage plant. They are truly very exotic plants. I have to say though...amazingly wonder buzz. The word is perfect, its just like basking in a warm comfortable oasis...just lush life. I miss that strain...I wish I still had her too... I had two phenos on that one, but the one turned out to be a male so not quite sure. The females were very Indie dominant in growth with nuggets at the joints and very set nodal spacing, but the high was a lot more Sat dominant in its euphoric and pain killing ability. After everyone had smoked out of that and the Skunk 1# I had the Widow...but everyone kept raving about the Skunk and the Oasis...the Oasis was my favorite as it was just such a wonderfully body/mind buzz that just left you feeling like you got laid, had an hour massage and took a 4 hour nap. Its just bliss. And can eat like a cow...never showed a lockout or def like the Skunk or Bubble... here are some pics.

Let's see here...The Vegging female (there were 3 overall), the male (different pheno I thought), and the stalks (as you can see, they oozed water when cut).



The Nodal spacing as you see is very regular, The tops were totally lush,



They are, however slow to start...if you grow with any Sat dominants they will overgrow them quickly...the Oasis need a good month to just veg before they hit flower.

But you can see how big they got (IN FAG!) and only 56 days flowering. The pistils were so freaky looking, you'll always recognize an Oasis or NL#2 once you've grown one. Like the Widow, they have their trade mark leaves and growth patterns. Huge buds though...for a low producer again.



All from those three small little plants...This is why I worry about 33 plants in a closet..lol And again..this was a FAG not TAG, where they could have been about 30% thicker and healthier.

 

[TAG-monk]

exactly what i was hoping for lol A more sativa NL lineage. exactly what NL#2 is if i understand u R2G lol I will try my TAG table for sure but i definitivly need another Grow op. TOOO much strain to grow. Do u thinks its possible to grow like 4 TAG rig, at the same time, even if the grow op is not at your home?(with experience). Or it will be wayyy too much maintenance needed? That would be a nice project.

 

[Guest]

Depending on how you set it up I don't know why you couldn't. Just go with all top shelf shit and spare no expense. Every shortcut or cost savings I've found cost me in convenience. Case and point, I just can't get my ass around to buying a float valve for my RO, so I flood my room about once every grow, cause I'm that stoned sometimes..lol. It used to upset me, now its sort of a joke as I'm on like my 18th flood. Its just like taking out the trash now.

But enough about me, As long as you have some system to alert you of a failure or you can check every other day you'd be fine. The problems arise with breakers tripping or clogged filters or nozzles that cause a leak or something and in literally hours you can drain the entire system and dry-out your roots. The only real issue with TAG is that if you dry the roots after the 4th week of flower you are fucked for yield. It becomes very critical. But with one of those PLCs units and a beeper you'd be fine...even up for a week or so.

Also, using the DM1 you'll have balanced ratios so all your plants will get what they need. You can grow strains together, I just had a lot of issues because I was new to True Aero and even Faux Aero so I was still trying to learn. Everyone kept saying it was nute burn at like 800 ppms and I just couldn't buy it, but couldn't figure it out.

Meanwhile those Oasis went up to 2400 ppms before seeing that burn on the leaves. That was a fuck up using Fish Emulsion...it spiked the BC nutes up to like 3200 overnight and all hell broke loose. And still monster buds!

So, they do survive. But I was trying to cut corners every way as I was trying to see if I could construct a TAG pod from HD and Lowes...which I have..but I'd go for the better products now. They are great to learn on, but for production...you need industrial strength nozzles and equipment.

 

[TAG-monk]

thk PR! so, did i have read wrong, or u just said that i can grow different strain on the same rez? now THAT is hot! So much time i can save this way.

JAT - i design my rig right now and i will do something that looks like yours. The only thing i dont really understand is how ur return line works. Yours reservoir having higher water level that ur drain, how the water guet "pump-in" the bucket? its work like a siphon? If so, once ur rig is empty of water, the siphon effect disapear. Maybe i think too much lol,.. anyways thk in advance

 

[Guest]

Yes, you can...especially if the ratios are correct. I have run Bubble, Skunk and Oasis together as well as Skunk and Widow with Bubble. Some are more sensitive, but like I said...with the correct balance and ratios they probably can take upwards of 2000 ppms as they build so fast its truly an amazing thing to just watch. Literally you'll start on some project and next thing you know there are tubs full of huge towering colas..its just amazing.

My biggest issues, leaks. Next biggest issue, clogged nozzles. Next issue, temps. That is about it. Just make sure you always have a back up pump, like a Ecojet or dia pump as you never know. Leaks are envitable for some reason, so you need to babysit for the first couple of weeks, but once its been running you'll know it like your car. You can 'hear' if something is wrong under the hood by the way the pump is running. Eventually you'll know instinctively like I can tell when there is a clog by the pump's whine.

Vader works like this....

 

[TAG-monk]

about the clogged nozzle, if i take the bio-controls and use good filters, i shouldnt have many problem no?

as for the Evap filter its a really interesting passive system, cause i dont want to use more watt for a water chiller. overall my all grow is limited under 4k-5k watt max. And most of the water chiller i have seen is like 400 watt minimum. But is ur passive system 100% sure to be efficient enough? or i need to buy a water chiller "in case of" ?