TAG - Landing (Resource for True Aero Growing)

[JustATry]

Here is a little somethin' somethin' from my neck of the woods...

Temps are holding steady - 74-75 ambient, 69-71 rootzone, 66-68 rez.



Clones are doing well, most have recovered and are growing again. I am going to need to flip to 12/12 shortly or I will become overgrown forsure! I am not seeing any signs of deficiencies at this point in time. Running PBP @ 1300 PPM until my DM1 gets here. Almost all of the 'red' in the stems has vanished.



Roots are looking healthy, although I think the Toro Ag foggers may be a little too much for the 'pom-pom' action. I am getting long tap roots with some bushing versus the lateral growth. I switched out a complete table with the black EXL foggers I had to see if that will make a difference in root growth/bud development.





Overall I think things are going well.

 

[Guest]

Right on JAt, looks like things are turning around for ya. So by changing out the foggers you going for a little less flow?

I;m sure you may know but.... in my tubes if I cut the bottom part of the tap roots where they started to intertwine together the upper portion of the roots started lateral growth and less straight down. Maybe try it on a plant or 2 and see what you get.

Do you see any diff. between the plants closest to the foggers and the others?

 

[JustATry]

Yeah, the beige/black EXL foggers are 1GPH and the Toro's are 2GPH. So a little less.

I will try trimming a couple and see if that helps things spread out. But honestly, I think they are just getting a little too wet.

No real difference in vigor because the fog is distributed so well @ 110 PSI. It just blasts out and goes any way possible.

 

[Guest]

I kinda thought there is a pretty specific range that you have to hit to get the pom-pom root growth. Challenging because you don't want to have dry areas and you want to avoid areas getting too saturated which would seem would give you similar results as most hydro rigs.

Do you think increasing the time between watering cycles would help at all?

 

[TAG-monk]

Hie Tagger's, i hope everything doing well.

My "The Pure" packs is on its way. I was wondering how to starts my seeds. Traditionally i keep my mother in plain dirt, but now i dont want to wait 2 mounth+ for have viable mothers ready to produce.(because its said in the beginning of this thread that T.A.E can acheive 45% faster veg time,...wich i need to have mother quickly) So i definitivly want to start my skunk seeds aeroponicly. The only problem is that i dont have my full T.A.G table now, and dont have the money to spend on a alternative tubs rig just for that batch of seedling. Considering i will use an E-Z cloner for cloning, do u think the mister of that machine is sufficient for adequate T.A.E?

 

[Ecotronics]

........Is Ecotronics still hanging around here? I have a question about the LOGO.

Have seen this one, but no I'm not hanging arround here anymore and this is my last one. My postings have been edited by an admin and a link to another site has been removed as well adding the link to my site is not alowed here. Live is to give and to take and I don't ride on one way roads in such cases.

If you have questions about the logo, you know where I'm to find and seen the link to it would be deleted anyway just get to remeber.

Greets Ecotronics

 

[Guest]

Sorry to hear that Eco, I imagine it is to keep people from selling or using these threads to sell their wares. I think that Jr. is our US version of the same product, but I've not gotten that far as it will cost a few hundred to set up and I'd rather wait until I get the new house.

TAG - Monk You can totally run your seedlings in a FAG cloner or grower...not a problem. I ran my Skunk 1# medium-less seedlings in my FAG grow with great success.



JAT - Looking great! Don't worry about the long taps and lack of 'pom pom' yet...that hairy mess doesn't start till after you get budset. The laterals feed the buds and leaves, the taps feed the stems. You are into 'stretch' now so you'll see more tap growth for a bit until they stop stretching and start to budset.



Once flowers are blooming you'll see the hair come out and the tails drop off. Right now they are pulling all that water to build up the stems to support the flowering.



Remember it is identical in TAG top and bottom, you are stretching and growing the stems right now, you are stretching and growing the taps right now. When you'll be fattening up the buds, the roots will be fattening up.


Let me see if I can find any earlier pics of Clone 8 for ya.

You're roots look great don't sweat it.

Going into flower my clone roots look like this usually...





Like usual you are laying the foundation now...let the taps fully elongate, don't trim your roots (you don't need too in your table you don't have any congestion in your roots). They wont get 'too wet' they'll just add more roots if they can hold the water. They will fill space, just give them time. The Toros will be fine. Each one of those little tap lines will be feeding a branch and flowers...so its great when they look like that. Its a good thing.

Think of the whole thing as an elastic ball. Once into flower the ends stretch out into this long linear fashion to ensure survival. It must hit water or die. Once, in nature, it has dug deep enough and found ample supply of water it will then start to build up the stems and the network. Then, once into flower, the support hairs come into play and this is what determines the thickness of the buds. The tap tail is a normal process of life for the plant, until it feels it can pull enough water without relying on the laterals it will continue to grow out taps. Everything is for the water pressure right now. Building build.

 

[Guest]

Now I know you might think I'm jumping ahead here, but I have to say I am totally impressed with the DM ONE series at this point.

I have only been in flower for 2 weeks, barely, and I've got budlets on every single mature clone or seedling. I was going to wait to take clones next week, but they are getting so much floral outbreak I fear I have to take clones Today!

I've never seen such rapid onset of flowering ever! 2 weeks looks like 3.5 weeks in DWC to me. Every little shoot, even the reveging moms, have little hairy flowers on the tiniest of sprigs. Trully...impressive.



Now, here JAT is an example of what I was talking about earlier..the taps now having enough water supply for the stem system begins in flower to do the fish bone stage (Where it sets up the shoots above) Critical phase I think. From here as the 'bud's' develop the 'hair' develops sort of like the white pistils. They all grow in reflected harmony with each other (usually).





This is why when someone experiences rot in their 'aerotubes' it fucks up their yields as this is the cola sprigs your buds are attached too. If the hair can't develop without being all matted down then you can't expect huge thick solid coli, no?

But look at this...reveged 1 week flowering mom...wow it is the ONE.

 

[JustATry]

Well, got my package today with DutchMaster's One; veg and bloom.



Room and root temps are 68.7 with 55%RH. All is good. I need to fire up the dehumidifier again and lower the RH a bit.



I am going to switch out the rez this weekend with the DM1. PR - about 1050PPM is the baseline you are running right now? I am running 1300 PPM right now with the PBP and everything is looking as good as ever.

 

[HOVAH]

cloner trouble!

cloner trouble!

yeah POD or JAT ive built an aero cloner ,but the thing keeps leaking from the edges around the lid , what do you guys use to stop or prevent this ?? thanks 1HOVAH

 

[Guest]

I use the Rubbermaid tubs with the latching lids or use weather stripping to seal the tops.

JAT - Wait till you see this shit hit your plants. lol

I was running around 1700 ppms this morning...lol, with no issues..no less. But now back down to 1100 ppms and Ph 5.7 it looks. I've had my meter soaking in a acid solution for days hoping to recal. I set it to my RO being 7.0... I have my Ph controller coming shortly..lol (According to my meter I've been running at about a ph of 7.2 for the past two days and above 1500 ppms ...no sign of trauma).

But they seem to have no issues at all...as a matter of fact found that one of the little sprouts I had put into flower hadn't even reached the spray, it was growing in just the humidity in the colar/holder (though not well)..so I moved her to the cloner for some nurturing.

 

[JustATry]

Yeah, I am excited to get this DutchMaster's going. Although, I am rather impressed with how well the girls are doing with the PBP @ 1300 to date.

Are you running the DM1 alone or adding Potash+? That recipe for "ONE" says 40ml of flower one, 4ml of max grow, 6ml of potash+, and 1ml of guardian all the way through.

EDIT:
That recipe is actually incorrect, as is the pic you posted PR. This is the correct recipe per DutchMaster, there was just a typo. In flowering it's 'max flower' not 'max grow' and 'folitech flower' not 'folitech grow'.

 

[Guest]

Yeah, that is what I'm so freaked out about. Its that simple. One application for the entire grow and the ratios being constant they can just take what they want when they need them.

Like I said...I've been off with the Ph for at least 2 days (7 at least) and ppms from 1100 to 1700 and back again and they just eat it up. No sign of anything wrong.

PBP is a great product and they will get sexy for you on that without a doubt. I just ran into K def and Cal lock out with them...but I didn't know the secret of the ratios then...if you can dose at the same ratios they should hold true to the same results...the ONE is just super fuckin' simple compared to all the Botanicare shit you have to dump in to make the water stable. This was my Widows on Power Series before the Kdef started. Those bubble bitch roots were also PSeries roots...but the ratios didn't stay stable through heavy flowering...and I think that is a big issue. These plants suck up so much so fast you'll be hard pressed to be fooling around with levels...its better they have a solid knot to untie and get all they need 24/7.



The One is just the shit and...this shit smells like Scope! Gotta love that!

But it is designed to be like Plug n Play. You just get your tri for either Grow or Flower and they have all the mixes ready 2 Go in little oil cans. And you'll find that the tops are about 2.5 tablespoons which is about the perfect dose for a gallon.

I have been running the Grow only, then I hit with a serving of Flower when I topped off with RO as the ppms were like 900. Then I later added a shot of Potash Plus as I'm seeing some lockout (the Ph most likely) thought very faint. The ppms are about 1200 now and the Ph, if the meter can be trusted is 5.7 now.

The way the hydro guy explained to me; you can use just the Grow or Flower ONE. If you want more power (you use the MAX) as a booster and if you want super max booster at these ratios you can use the Potash Plus for those plants desiring more K like Tomatoes.

So I'm starting with the ONE and POT+. though I wish I had gotten the Guardian instead of the LK now and some MAX as I'll have no time to fool around. They are starting now to grow about 3 cm a day. Now is when we step on the gas a little and watch what happens.

JAT - I cut and pasted that pic from some sight as I couldn't find the DM's feed schedule anywhere....glad you got the corrected one. I wish they'd give a little more info on their shit...but it works, I'll put my money on that.

By the way GroNut, my puppies love the AK-47...they are just having a field day being silly and goofy running all over the house wrestling with each other, its a trip.

Hey, post your nutrient schedule for your AK's, they were a soil? What did you run?

 

[Guest]

Here is a little bit of a closer look at the root systems in TAG. They don't stay Pom Poms by the way...eventually they become too huge to support themselves and start to bridge (as I call it). They just get huge right as they finish the 8th week, which is why I don't think fog or smaller amounts of water are adequate.





I think you can see the laterals here as they grow off the fish bones. You can just imagine it like leaves without the membrane parts, just the vessels in the leaves and the stems...its almost identical except upside down and totally white.

The K def starts about 5th week as you can see the root mass is massive and the leaves are huge as well. You need those ratios locked in.





GroNut - on the left here are 7 plants, 4 Widow and 3 Bubbles. This is what I meant by having so many in your closet. This is as small as I could keep them using a Full Spectrum 1K MH and I screwed up a lot on this grow. That tub under the wad of green is about 2x4 feet, the plants about 3x4.5.

The second picture is a single plant after 51 days of flower. They never made it full 56, it was the Friday the 13th Massacre.

 

[Guest]

This was the size of the clones going in. They were vegged for 1 month under FAG - aerocloner and floros. I put them in and took new cuts. 7.5 weeks later...Pop!

 

[JustATry]

I have got some work to do tomorrow. Going to go get a new Can100 scrubber with a 737 cfm 8" inline fan. That should help get air circulating in my room.

I am also going to pick up some DM Folitech and Max. I am going to try and follow their recipe - just for shits and grins. I can't find any Guardian in the country so that will have to wait until I can source some. I will continue using Hydroguard with the DM1.

I think I am going to flip over to 12/12 on Monday. I have some of the last clones I just dropped in this evening that replaced the ones which were murdered last week. I will let them veg for a couple of days.

It should be fairly interesting. I will have one table that have veg'ed for about 2 weeks, and one table that is pretty much clones going into flowering. We'll see what happens.

 

[Guest]

Good morning all, I trust you slept well.

I've been taking clones and thought I would scan my Cinnamon Clone's leaf, the one I chopped off. Then I thought I'd get creative...lol, ok...so the AK 47 has some creative side to it ...so kill me. They are after all such beautiful little leaves....I hate to waste any part of these lovelys.

BTW... Who said they had the original or real Skunk 1#?






My Goals achieved:

 

[TAG-monk]

I think its me lol. Well i dont have it now, my pack is on its way. Its "The Pure" from The Flying Dutchmen. The Only True original Skunk#1. Oh and btw i just read my few last post and i make a big mistake describing the pedigree of S#1, its Columbian gold x (acapulco gold x afghani) wich is 50% CG, 25% AG and 25% AFGHANI. The Acapulco Gold beeing the "mexican sativa" i was talking about lol. so 75% sativa strain that grow like an indica, seems about right to me!

 

[Guest]

Anything Gold is good in my book

 

[Guest]

So the pups dig the Ak huh.. lol. I think my lab likes it too. The AKs were fed the standard mix of PBP, cal mag, and I use Floraliscious at less than half strenght. Vegged no higher than 600ppm and flowered at around 800ppm They came from the grand finale tubes crop.



Thanks for the details on what I can expect from the TAG set up. Your clones look around 12" tall or so going in. I have a max plant height limit of 3.5' tall so I usually have a very short veg time so I don't run into probs. I'm starting NYC diesel this time so I have a new rig and new strain to figger out as well so it'll be interesting.

I've decided on 20 sites which puts them on 12" centers and I'll veg them very little, to about 8" tall max. I have 3 NYCD moms that I'm gonna run cuttings from to see which one I'll keep and I don't know a whole lot of how they'll go. I'm afraid if I veg too long they will bust the doors off and push the lights out of the roof as you predict. So far in soil the moms look to take a bit of a taller lanky stance and some bushing but not too much.

I filled the cloner today It feels good to get started again; I've got a week to make sure the rig is ready I'll have some pics Monday.

- Gro