synthetic additives

[Guest]

I recently bought some bcuzz growth and bloom stimulator, on the bottle it says not to use with synthetic additives. what would fall under this category? I have both fox farm grow/bloom in liquid form, and AN grow/bloom 1 part formula in powder.

 

[IrieTree]

Personally have little experience with either. But I'm pretty sure most of Fox Farms stuff is organic. If I remember right they have one thing thats not all organic. And it sounds like you do have AN Synthetic line. I'd wait for someone more experienced to come in and confirm (or not) with what I've said. I'm sure a quick stop by either of their websites would confirm what is of organic/synthetic make up.
-Stay Irie

 

[Guest]

Ok thanks, now that I think of it. the fox farm stuff is infact organic, it says it on the bottle as far as I can remember. I dont know about the AN though, I would assume it is.

 

[Guest]

elements are not organic

 

[Guest]

care to elaborate? which does that apply to?

 

[Guest]

it applys to organics being about the dirt and not the plant..plants uptake chemical elements..that is all..nitrogen is not organic..a rotting fish is until it produces nitrogen and other elements 16 actually from the microbes in the soil breaking it down..but know organics is about the soil...

 

[Guest]

An organic fertilizer is any fert that is solely derived from an organism or byproduct of an organism.Fish emulsion,bone meal,manure are all considered to be organic ferts.Organics is not only about the soil but what goes into it of course.

 

[Guest]

So could I use this b'cuzz stuff with the AN grow/bloom 1 part powder formula?

 

[Berry_Coughin']

elements are not organic

uhm--- Carbon is not an element.??..
this assertion is mis-information... don't post frivolous nonsense....

 

[Guest]

ok here is some real information for ya
Overview
Biogeochemical Cycles
Spheres of B. Cycles
Nitrogen Properties
Simple Nitrogen Cycle
Human Influences
Spheres of the N Cycle
Choose a Sphere


Nitrogen gas (N2) comprises 78.3% of the earth's atmosphere by volume (75.5% by mass). N has two stable isotopes, 14N and 15N. The lighter isotope is 272.0 times as abundant as the heavier one; as a result the atomic weight of N is 14.0067. N2 is chemically unreactive at the temperatures and pressures of the hydrosphere, biosphere, and atmosphere. It will combine with other elements only under extreme conditions or when catalyzed by enzymes (See nitrogen fixation). N2 has a low solubility in water. The Henry's law constant for N2 is 6.6x10-4 mol/(L-atm).
The approximate global inventory of N in the four spheres is given in the table below. The bulk of the N (about 98%) exists in the geosphere, and most of the remainder is found in the atmosphere. Compared with the other spheres, the hydrosphere and biosphere contain relatively little N, but the N in the biosphere is highly reactive and is rapidly cycled. The inorganic N species ammonium (NH4+), nitrite (NO2-), and nitrate (NO3-) are highly water soluble, and are distributed in dilute aqueous solution throughout the hydrosphere. Living and dead organic matter also provide actively-cycled reservoirs of N. Soil organic matter (humus) is a substantial and relatively stable N reservoir in temperate climates.




Sizes of Global N Reservoir

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Reservoir/Pool Type
Biosphere
Hydrosphere
Atmosphere
Geosphere
Crust
Soils and Sediments
Mantle and Core
Metric Tons
2.8 x 1011
2.3 x 1013
3.86 x 1015
1.636 x 1017
0.13 - 1.4 x 1016
0.35 - 4.0 x 1015
1.6 x 1017
% of Total
0.0002
0.014
2.3
97.7
0.78-8.4
0.21-2.4
95.6


N is present in many chemical forms (compounds or "species"), both organic and inorganic, in the atmosphere, biosphere, hydrosphere, and geosphere. It occurs in the gas, liquid (dissolved in water), and solid phases. N can be associated with carbon (organic species) and with elements other than carbon (inorganic species). Important inorganic species include N2, nitric acid (HNO3), nitrate (NO3-), nitrite (NO2-), nitrous oxide (N2O), nitric oxide (NO), N dioxide (NO2), ammonium (NH4+), and ammonia (NH3). Most organic N species in the four spheres are biomolecules, such as proteins, peptides, enzymes, and genetic material (RNA and DNA). NO3- and organic-N species exist in solution and as particulates. The sum of organic and inorganic species of N in both dissolved and particulate forms is often reported as total N. It is total N for which the USEPA has established new criteria (USEPA, 2000)

The many forms which N can take is a result of its ability to gain and lose electrons to other elements. The valence range (oxidation states) of N is full: going from loss of all five of its outer-shell electrons (+5) to other elements to the gain of three electrons from other elements (-3) to completely fill all the electron orbitals of its outer shell. The table below presents several N species and their oxidation states.




Nitrogen Species and their Oxidation States
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Species Name Oxidation State
NH3, NH4+ Ammonia, ammonium ion -3
N2H4 Hydrazine -2
NH2OH Hydroxylamine -1
N2 Nitrogen 0
N2O Nitrous oxide +1
NO Nitric oxide +2
HNO2, NO2- Nitrous acid, nitrite ion +3
NO2 Nitrogen dioxide +4
HNO3, NO3- Nitric acid, nitrate ion +5

N is essential to all forms of life. Many important biomolecules, including proteins and nucleic acids (RNA, DNA) contain N. Some microorganisms depend on N compounds for energy production. (See Biological Processes Involving N.) All N species are bioavailable at various rates.

 

[Guest]

Damn bro we were just kidding,don't make me read all that...

 

[Guest]

well for some reason when you have 15 post people assume you dont know what the hell your talking about..been here since 2003 delete my account often..but i know you ballastman..peace and good day to all

 

[Guest]

I read some of that, but it doesnt make sense to me. Can anyone just give me a yes or no? Just want to make sure I dont need to buy new nutes. I have people telling me I can use the bcuzz root/bloom stimulator alone with no nutes.

 

[Guest]

No you cant use it by itself,its to be used as a supplement to a regular nute schedule,you can use it with any nutes as far as I know.

 

[Fast Pine]

As far as im concerned the only 100% organic fox farm product is Big Bloom..

 

[Berry_Coughin']

elements are not organic

'The chemical element of atomic number 6, a non-metal that has two main forms (diamond and graphite) and that also occurs in impure form in charcoal, soot, and soil.....'

So again how the hell is an element not organic???

Chemistry of, relating to, or denoting compounds containing carbon....<----that is the definition of organic....


??????

 

[Guest]

Nutrients

"Sixteen elements are absolutely necessary for normal plant growth. Many of these elements are the same as those required by humans. In addition to carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, which the plant gets from the air and water, another thirteen elements are required by plants, which they obtain from the soil. These are usually divided into three classes: primary nutrients, secondary nutrients, and micronutrients. Functions of elements in plant metabolism and symptoms are related to their deficiencies. Based on soil test, fertilizers are applied to pro vide plants with some of these essential nutrients for optimal growth."

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KEY TERMS
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- Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen - also Nitrogen

Carbon comes from CO2 out of the atmosphere and is the major structural element of organic compounds.
Hydrogen comes from water and bonds to the carbon molecular skeleton.
Oxygen comes from CO2 and water and bonds to the carbon molecular skeleton.
Carbohydrates (sugars, starches, cellulose, etc) for the basic building blocks of cells and are made up of these three elements. These molecules are converted to more complex molecules (amino acids, proteins, lipids, enzymes, etc) by the addition of other nutrient elements.

Macronutrients

Primary nutrients (fertilizer elements) - Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium

Nitrogen is a primary constituent of amino acids and proteins. Since enzymes and membranes are protein-based structures, a nitrogen deficiency will curtail plant growth.
Phosphorus is a constituent of ATP and ATP, the energy-containing molecules that are present in respiration and photosynthesis.
Potassium is a salt. It is very mobile in the plant and seems to be involved in transport operations.
Secondary nutrients - Calcium, Magnesium, Sulfur

Calcium is a constituent of cell walls. Since cell division requires the building of new cell wall material, a deficiency of calcium will show up in the meristem.
Magnesium is a component of chlorophyll. It is also present in vitamins.
Sulfur is a component in certain amino acids and vitamins.
Micronutrients - Boron, Chlorine, Copper, Iron, Manganese, Molybdenum, and Zinc

Boron - flowering, fruiting, and cell division
Chlorine -
Copper - Enzymes that are involved in the synthesis of chlorophyll
Iron - A catalyst in chlorophyll formation
Manganese - synthesis of chlorophyll
Molybdenum - protein synthesis
Zinc - needed for auxin and starch formation
Explain how plant nutrients behave in soil.
Nutrients are taken up by the plant as ions, that is, charged atoms or molecules.
In the soil, the nutrients interact with each other, with the mineral and organic soil particles, and with microorganisms.
Some are prone to form relatively insoluble compounds while others remain in solution.
Others are held by soil particles.
Some are modified by microorganisms.
Most of the above characteristics are modified or regulated by soil pH and eH.
List plant nutrients and fertilizer materials that are compatible with the environment
All plant nutrients are compatible with the environment. Some fertilizers, when applied at the wrong time, or in quantities that are too great, or forms that are too mobile, have the potential to contaminate surface waters or groundwater.

Organic nutrients, especially those that result from composting, are the most environmentally friendly in most circumstances, assuming that there are no large quantities of heavy metals or other toxic substances that might come from industrial waste.

Describe soil testing for determining plant nutrient needs and fertilizer sources
Soil testing reveals the soil's reaction (pH), organic matter content, and the nutrient status. With this knowledge, the quantities of nutrients that will be available to a crop can be estimated.

By knowing the requirements of the crop to be grown, fertilizer management decisions can be made. The goal is to provide the crop with as much nutrient as it will require, without providing too much.

Discuss how plant nutrients behave in the soil
Nitrogen forms are mobile, the nitrate anion being more mobile than the ammonium ion, which can undergo cation exchange. There are many microbial interactions with nitrogen containing substances.

Phosphorus is relatively immobile. It forms relatively insoluble compounds with calcium and magnesium and high pH's and iron and aluminum at low pH's. Only a very small percentage of the total phosphorus in the soil is soluble and available for plant uptake. (as HPO3= and H2PO3-, the hypophosphate anions)

Potassium is a component of many soil minerals. As a result, many soils release potassium to the plant as they weather. However, potassium is utilized in fairly large amounts by plants, so its addition as fertilizer is often required. It is taken up by the plant as the ion K+. This ion can undergo cation exchange, and some of it can be leached by percolating soil water. There are some clay minerals that fix potassium ion almost irreversibly.

The degree of mobility and availability of elements in the soil is a complex interaction of soil moisture content, pH, oxidation potential, electrical conductivity, organic matter content, and the chemical activities of all other soil constituents, and the biological activities of microorganisms.

Describe what soil pH is and how it is managed
The soil pH is a measure of the hydrogen ion activity.
If the pH is less than neutral, the soil is acidic.
If it is greater than neutral, the soil is alkaline, or basic.
To increase the pH of an acidic soil, lime materials such as CaCO3 or CaO are added (minerals such as dolomite or calcite).
If the soil is too basic, sulfur and iron fertilizers, or acidic organic materials such as pine needles, are added to decrease the pH
Name the sixteen elements essential for plant growth
C, O, H <=====> N, P, K <===> Ca, Mg, S <=====> B, Cl, Cu, Fe, Mn, Mo, Zn

The micronutrients: (Boring Classes Caused Fred Many More Zits)

Categorize the sixteen essential elements into those supplied by the air and water, primary nutrients, secondary nutrients, and micronutrients
Air - C, O, (N)
Water - H, O
Primary nutrients - N, P, K
Secondary nutrients - Ca, Mg, S
Micronutrients - Bo, Cl, Cu, Fe, Mn, Mo, Zn
Draw the nitrogen cycle
Here is a link to the nitrogen cycle diagram.
Note the following forms of nitrogen:
N2, NO3-, NO2-, NH3-, NH4+, Organic N, and NOx
Note the following transforming processes:
Nitrification, Denitrification, Volatilization, Leaching, Fixation, Exchange, Uptake.
Describe the effect organic matter has on soil fertility
Organic matter contains most of the minerals that plants require. As the material decompose (mineralized), these mineral nutrients are released for uptake by plants. This decomposition is done by soil microorganisms, which also utilize some of the nutrients to produce cells. (Organic matter also increases cation exchange capacity, water-holding capacity, increases infiltration, and imparts better tilth to the soil.)

For the most part, incorporation of organic residues increase soil fertility. If unprocessed organic materials with a high C:N ratio are incorporated into the soil, there will be a temporary nitrogen deficiency induced because the microorganisms are tying up nitrogen (from the soil) in order to build more cells to process the material.

Discuss how soil pH influences the availability of nutrients
The pH of the soil determines to a great extent the chemical forms in which many plant nutrients exist. Some of these forms are more or less soluble, depending on the nutrient. In cases of extreme pH ranges in either direction, some of the micronutrients are unavailable, while others are available in toxic quantities.

Describe the deficiency signs of five nutrients
See this web-site for some excellent photos of nutrient deficiencies.
Symptoms include patterns of chlorosis, various styles of color changes, leaf curling, necrosis, and stunting
Also note the information below from University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Explain how many pounds of nitrogen, phosphate, and potash are in a hag of fertilizer
The analysis on the fertilizer bag is the percentages of N, P205, and K2O respectively.
A bag of fertilizer with an analysis of 13-13-13 would have
13 lb. of N per 100 lb. of fertilizer,
13 lb. P205 per 100 lb. of fertilizer,
and 13 lb. K2O per 100 lb. of fertilizer.
Use conversion factors when working with fertilizers
It is often necessary to look at fertilizer analysis in terms of P and K (since the fertilizer does not really exist as the oxides).

P has an atomic weight of 31 and O has an atomic weight of 16


The P2O5 molecule has a molecular weight of 2*31 + 5*16 = 142 a.m.u.
Of that, 2*31 = 62 a.m.u. is phosphorus.
Hence 62/142 = 43.7% of the P2O5 molecule is phosphorus.
So to convert from P2O5 to P, simply take 43.7% of it.
To convert from P to P2O5, divide by 43.7%.
K has an atomic weight of 39 and O has an atomic weight of 16.

The K2O molecule has a molecular weight of 2*39 + 16 = 94 a.m.u.
Of that, 2*39 = 78 a.m.u. is potassium.
Hence 78/94 = 83% of the K2O molecule is potassium.
So to convert from K2O to K, simply take 83% of it.
To convert from K to K2O, divide by 83%.
List five types and sources of fertilizers
Straight material - contains only one nutrient source
Mixed or complete fertilizer - contains more than one nutrient source
Solid fertilizer - in the chemical compound form
Liquid fertilizer - in the soluble form
Animal manures and other organics

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The following information was lifted from http://www.extension.uiuc.edu/~vista/html_pubs/hydro/symptoms.html

Symptoms of Nutrient Deficiencies

Plants will usually display definite deficiencies if required nutrients are not present in adequate concentrations. The following symptoms may occur if the level of one mineral nutrient is not high enough to be within the range needed for best plant growth. A plant may exhibit a particular symptom for reasons other than a nutrient deficiency. However, if one of the deficiency symptoms occurs, a lack of the proper nutrient may be suspected, and the amount of that nutrient should be increased.

Deficient nutrient
Symptoms

Nitrogen Leaves are small and light green; lower leaves lighter than upper ones; not much leaf drop; weak stalks.
Phosphorus Dark-green foliage; lower leaves sometimes yellow between veins; purplish color on leaves or petioles.
Potassium Lower leaves may be mottled; dead areas near tips and margins of leaves; yellowing at leaf margins continuing toward center.
Calcium Tip of the shoot dies; tips of young leaves die; tips of leaves are hooked-shaped.
Magnesium Lower leaves are yellow between veins (veins remain green); leaf margins may curl up or down or leaves may pucker; leaves die in later stages.
Sulfur Tip of the shoot stays alive; light green upper leaves; leaf veins lighter than surrounding areas.
Iron Tip of the shoot stays alive; new upper leaves turn yellow between veins (large veins remian green); edges and tips of leaves may die.
Manganese Tip of the shoot stays alive; new upper leaves have dead spots over surface; leaf may apear netted because of small veins remaining green.
Boron Tip of the shoot dies; stems and petioles are brittle.




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[Guest]

NUTRITION and FERTILITY

nitrogen and Nitrogen Fertilizers
Nitrogen (N) is a key nutrient in manipulating plant growth. Most nursery/floral producers use large quantities of N fertilizers in a "blanket" attempt to meet the needs of their crops. However a thorough understanding of N nutrition Can be useful in optimizing both the concentration and form of N best suited for the plant species, stage of growth, time of year and production objectives.

Plants require N in relatively large quantities and in forms that are readily available.

Nitrogen metabolism is a well studied and a vital aspect of plant growth. Nitrogen is one of the important building blocks in amino acids:



H

R C COOH

NH2

Amino acids are typically made up of an amino group (NH2), carbon (C), a carboxyl group COOH), and a variety of molecular structures (R) which define individual amino acids (glycine, serine, licine, alanine, etc.). When these amino acids link together in long chains they form proteins. Proteins are also vital components in a variety of metabolic pathways and processes. Proteins makeup the molecular structure of DNA, RNA and a host of other critical metabolic processes required for plant growth.

When N is deficient in plants restricted growth of tops and roots and especially lateral shoots may occur. Plants also become spindly with a general chlorosis of entire plant to a light green and then a yellowing of older leaves. This condition may proceed toward younger leaves. Older leaves defoliate early.



Plants can take up N in 4 forms:

NH3 Ammonia
NO3 Nitrate
Organic Nitrogen
Molecular Nitrogen


Regardless of the N source (inorganic fertilizer, organic fertilizer, manure, etc.) plants can only take up N in these 4 forms. That means that some conversions must occur in the growing media/root zone (rhizosphere) before some sources of N can be taken up by the plant. All 4 forms of available N have unique characteristics that influence plant growthin different ways. Understanding these characteristics is very important in matching the best N fertilizer with plant species, stage of growth, time of year and production objectives. The following is a brief description of these 4 N forms and some additional information on the most common fertilizer sources for each.

Nitrate NO3 and Ammonia NH3 Nitrogen:
The roots of most plants absorb N from the growing medium in the form of NO3. Nitrogen in this form, however, is not directly used by the plant but must be reduced to ammonia (NH3) before it can be assimilated by the plant. The process of nitrate reduction to ammonia is a 3 step process:

NO3 a NO2 a NH3
Nitrate Nitrite Ammonia



This conversion is dependent of the presence of several enzymes (i.e. nitrate reductase) for the conversion to complete it's cycle. These enzymes, and the microorganisms that indirectly produce them, are effected by several factors including: temperature, moisture, etc. If the conversion process stops at the nitrite stage serious damage may occur. Nitrite is toxic to plants at low to moderate levels and can cause significant reductions in growth at low levels.
Both nitrate and ammonium fertilizers are commonly used to provide supplemental nutrition for nursery/floral crops. Ammonium (NH4) fertilizers must first be converted to nitrate NO3 before it can be used by the plant. This is a 2 step process in which ammonium is first converted to nitrate and then the nitrate is subsequently converted to ammonia. This process, known as nitrification, is dependent on several soil microorganisms (Nitrosomnas, Nitrobacter). These microorganisms are effected by several factors including: temperature, moisture, etc.




2NH4 + 3O2 a 2NO2 + 2H2O + 4H
Ammonium Oxygen Nitrate Water



and then


NO2 + O2 a 2NO3
Nitrite Oxygen Nitrate




Ammonium is the most common, and perhaps the lowest cost supplemental source of N for plant growth. Research has shown that the balance between nitrate (NO3), nitrogen (N) and ammonium (NH4) can effect plant growth. In Texas it is recommended that no more than 50% of the N supplied should be in the NH4 form. Increased amounts of NH4 in the growing media may result in severe ammonium toxicity (nitrites??).

Organic Nitrogen:
Many plants are capable of using organic, as well as inorganic N. As they breakdown in the growing medium, many of the amino acids, amides and proteins provide available N for plant growth. However, urea is perhaps the most commonly used source of organic N for nursery and floral crops.


O

NH2 C NH2


Urea must first be converted to ammonia before it can be used by the plant. This conversion is dependent on the enzyme urease. Urease is another compound that is effected by factors such as temperature, moisture, etc.


O

NH2 C NH2 a 2NH3 + CO2
Urea Ammonia

Under cool temperatures urease is often rendered inactive and little, if any, N is available for plant growth.

Molecular Nitrogen:
Many plants are capable of fixing N directly from the atmosphere (legumes). This process usually requires the indirect mediation of soil microorganisms. Perhaps the best example of N fixation is in soy beans. Beans are inoculated with specific N fixing microorganisms prior to planting. Nodules are then formed on the root system which indirectly provide atmosphereic N to the plant.

Although several nursery/floral crops have the capability to fix N from the atmosphere, most growers provide supplemental fertility to compensate for the potential lack of these specific microorganisms in soilless growing substrates.




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[Guest]

Human Health is Tied Directly to the Soil Early Pioneers in Organic Farming The Discovery of the Microbes' Power




The Discovery of Microbes' Power to Make Minerals Available to Plants
The question that puzzled Schatz was: how was it that lower forms of plant life, such as lichens, could extract mineral nutrients from the bare rock surface on which they grow. A solution to the problem of how the obvious rock-weathering properties of lichens actually work seemed to Schatz to have important implications in agriculture, especially as it related to the total amount of minerals in soil on the one,hand and their availability on the other. Studies indicated that though soils were essentially products of climate--of sun, wind, and ice--microbes and plants also contributed, like heat and frost, to the 41 weathering" of rocks, not only by penetrating deep into their expanding cells, but, more importantly, by disintegrating rock through a mysterious chemical action known as "chelation."

Chelating substances, present in up to 36 percent of the dry weight of lichens, give them the power to dissolve iron and other metallic minerals, grab them, and suck them up, enabling them to feast directly on the hard bare rock.

In 1954, Schatz published a series of papers: "Chelation as a Biological Weathering Factor in Pedogenesis." As he continued to work on the problem, it came to him that if the chelating process could explain the predisposition of lichens to dine on no more appetizing a menu than a rock surface it could also be importantly involved in the creation of soil fertility. Were the plants not creating soil just as the soil created plants? And was soil formation not an ongoing process that maintained fertility?

"It was when I found out how lichens were chelating rock to extract minerals," said Schatz, "that I said to myself that something in the soil had to be working in the same way to keep on forming it from solid rock. It had to be a case of a continuing chemical weathering process, which continually released minerals for plant growth, as the very basis for natural soil fertility. It was then that I concluded that there had to be a chelating agent in humus."

It was at last clear to Schatz that lichens produce and exude a chelating chemical that enables them to soften and seize from raw rock the elements they need to survive. Schatz subsequently discovered that chelating acids are also excreted by many bacteria, which equally dissolve minerals in soil. It is their ability, with acids like those excreted by lichens, to put minerals into a colloidal solution that makes them especially important to the creation of soil fertility because plants can use such minerals only when they are chelated.

Knowing that bacteria are sparsely, if at all, present in dying soils, Shatz wondered which other chemical compounds might play the mineral-grabbing and mineral-releasing role comparable to that played in the much simpler lichen-rock association. More specifically, which chelating-effective compounds would be present in the soil, in quantity. After several years of detailed analysis of chemical structure of humus-performed mostly in Russian and Eastern Europe--Schatz concluded that only humus fit the bill.

Schatz found that his quest was a lonely one in that no fund-granting institution responded favorably to his requests for support. At the University of California's College of Agriculture, Shatz gave a lecture In 1963 on "The Importance of Metal-Binding Phenomena in the Chemistry and Microbiology of the Soil." -in which he presented all his own experimental results. He found, to his amazement, that no U.S. agricultural journal would publish his lecture.

"No one in the United States seemed to care about the subject," said Schatz, "though it is vitally connected with health, not only that of plants, but our own. The difference between soil richly endowed with humus and one deprived of it is the difference between a well-nourished citizen in a developed country and a man suffering from starvation in the Third World. Just as the poorly fed soil will produce weak plants so the poorly nourished Third World native will produce sickly children."

Chelation goes on not only in the soil and in microbes but in the cells of plants and in the bodies of animals and humans. How closely plants and humans are related can be explained by the extraordinary fact that both depend on a chelating chemical compound basic to their physiology. In man it is the deep red heme that transports in the blood the oxygen liberated by plants, which themselves have a compound, green-colored chlorophyll, that is so similar to heme that, to depict its chemical formula, it is necessary only to substitute an iron atom for one of magnesium. "It is one of nature's miracles," says Schatz, "that it could so simply modify a key life-compound, one way for animals, and another way for plants."

With respect to the colloidal nature of humus and compost, Schatz pointed out that the whole of humus is not made of colloid substances but only that part which is chemically constituted to act as a chelate. The reason colloids remain in a liquid suspension, he added, is that their surface-to-mass ratio is enormous. "To relate this to the chelating and colloidal properties of humus means that their combination brings about a faster and greater chemical effect than if they were both not acting in conjunction. Nutritionally speaking, whereas a pig, or human being, can't eat a nail, it can easily ingest chelated iron."


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[Berry_Coughin']

So at the atomic level... can you compare organic/inorganic? The same could be true..... elements are not inorganic.... when we speak of organics... we are looking at the molecular level... organic is a classification at the molecular level.... meaning .... an organic compound (molecule) MUST contain one or more carbon atoms, and one or more hydrogen atoms...

so the carbon itself is not organic, and at the same time not inorganic....