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Supreme Court Rules Drug Sniffing Dogs Illegal Without A Warrant...

Wiggs Dannyboy

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This is great news, and good for all of us to know.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/03/26/supreme-court-dog-sniffing-drug-case/2020743/

A drug-sniffing dog at your doorstep is a step too far, the Supreme Court has decided.

While the high court had ruled last month that a Florida police officer's use of a drug-sniffing dog to search a truck during a routine a traffic stop was OK, it drew the line Tuesday at the entrance to a private home.

Writing for a 5-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said a dog sniffing at a house where police suspect drugs are being grown constitutes a search under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and the circumstances did not justify the officers' entry to the home.

"This right would be of little practical value if the state's agents could stand in a home's porch or side garden and trawl for evidence with impunity," Scalia wrote in a majority opinion. "The right to retreat would be significantly diminished if the police could enter a man's property to observe his repose from just outside the front window."

Writing in dissent, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that dogs have long been used for law enforcement purposes, and that the homeowner in this case did not have a reasonable expectation of total privacy.

Wrote Alito: "A reasonable person understands that odors emanating from a house may be detected from locations that are open to the public, and a reasonable person will not count on the strength of those odors remaining within the range that,while detectable by a dog, cannot be smelled by a human."
The ruling scrambled the court's normal ideological divisions.
Fellow conservative Clarence Thomas signed onto Scalia's opinion against the search, as did three members of the more liberal bloc: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

The dissenters included three of the more conservative court members -- Alito, Anthony Kennedy, and Chief Justice John Roberts -- as well as liberal member Stephen Breyer.
A pair of cases from Florida argued last year hinged on the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches -- a protection the high court held in high esteem during its last term, when it ruled unanimously that police should have obtained a warrant before placing a GPS device on a drug suspect's car.

In another dog-sniffing case decided last month, the court ruled in favor of police who used a canine during a traffic stop.

Tuesday's ruling stemmed from a 2006 incident in which Miami-Dade police and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration set up surveillance on a house after being tipped to a possible marijuana growing operation. An officer went up to the house with a dog named Franky, who quickly detected the odor of pot.

The sniff was used to obtain a search warrant from a judge.
Attorneys for occupant Joelis Jardines, who was arrested and charged with marijuana trafficking, challenged the search as unlawful. A trial judge agreed, and threw out the evidence; the Florida Supreme Court later sided with the trial judge.

During a Supreme Court hearing held on Halloween, justices raised questions about the drug sniffing at a private home, as opposed to a traffic stop.

The justices seemed amenable to the use of the dogs in general, without quarreling about their training and certification. But when the issue arrived on their doorstep, their reaction changed; dogs sniffing at the door, they reasoned, were far more intrusive than trick-or-treaters.

Justices Scalia and Kennedy had appeared to align with the court's four more liberal members against the actions of Franky, the police dog who detected marijuana in a Miami grow house only after spending several minutes sniffing around the front door.

Justice Kagan called that "a lengthy and obtrusive process." Justice Ginsburg said it could lead to random searches of "any home, anywhere."

Although modern technology didn't exist when the Founders wrote the Bill of Rights, dogs certainly did -- and they have been used reliably by police for a number of causes, including the search for victims of Superstorm Sandy, which occurred just days before oral arguments.

"Scotland Yard used dogs to track Jack the Ripper," said Gregory Garre, who represented Florida law enforcement.

"These dogs are quite reliable," agreed Joseph Palmore, representing the U.S. Justice Department, which sided with the state.

But Glen Gifford, an assistant public defender representing one of the defendants, begged to differ. "Dogs make mistakes," he said. "Dogs err."
 

k-s-p

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Great news. However, I'm dismayed the vote was only 5-4. Equally amazed that Scalia was with the majority.

Whats next?

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huligun

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I would like to see some cop come into my house without a warrant Before this ruling. I was hoping they were going to stop sniffing cars. The government will not ever agree to that as dogs are uses on international boarders, ferries, airports etc. They will not let go of the dogs for that. They say dogs can be trained to smell cancer on a person.

If they only used dogs for Explosives and the like that is one thing, but Marijuana?
 

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"Scotland Yard used dogs to track Jack the Ripper," said Gregory Garre, who represented Florida law enforcement.

"These dogs are quite reliable," agreed Joseph Palmore, representing the U.S. Justice Department, which sided with the state.


police dogs are very reliable, I understand they're now quite close to capturing Jack the Ripper.......
 

Easy7

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^^^ Funny. I was hoping this was about traffic stops. Nobody wants a viscous dog at their door anyhow. Police k9's are pretty damn mean
 

RM - aquagrower

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Pretty big feather in the cap of an assistant public defender...

Prosecuter gets his ass handed to him by trial judge, appeals to state supreme court, tastes his ass again, and goes all the way to the highest court in the land. Thankfully he got yet another taste of his ass there.

And why such a big hard on for this guy, 7 years, really? And if the guy couldn't afford a "real" lawyer, what could they have been after to justify all that?

I just hope this poor bastard wasn't sitting in the county all this time.
 

mpd

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Hear, hear for the Libertarian wing of the Court! Anton is one of the best judges to ever grace the bench. I wish we had more strict constructionists on the Court. Our country wouldn't be a fucked up mess.
 

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Pretty big feather in the cap of an assistant public defender...

Prosecuter gets his ass handed to him by trial judge, appeals to state supreme court, tastes his ass again, and goes all the way to the highest court in the land. Thankfully he got yet another taste of his ass there.

And why such a big hard on for this guy, 7 years, really? And if the guy couldn't afford a "real" lawyer, what could they have been after to justify all that?

I just hope this poor bastard wasn't sitting in the county all this time.


me too, but if he was assigned a public defender more than likely he was :cry:
 

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yay!!! I'm glad at least 5 out of 4 judges recognizes the part of the 4th amendment defining curtilage.

The curtilage is a legal term which delineates the land immediately surrounding a house or dwelling, including any closely associated buildings and structures, but excluding any associated "open fields beyond". It delineates the boundary within which a home owner can have a reasonable expectation of privacy and where "intimate home activities" take place. It is an important legal concept in certain jurisdictions for the understanding of search and seizure, conveyancing of real property, burglary, trespass, and land use planning. In urban properties, the location of the curtilage may be evident from the position of fences, wall and similar; within larger properties it may be a matter of some legal debate as to where the private area ends and the 'open fields' start.[1] The word derives from Middle English: courtelage; Old French: cortillage or cortil ("court, yard, garden"); cort (court) + -il (diminuitive suffix) + -age (-age).

Fourth Amendment General definition The U.S. Supreme Court has held that for the purposes of the Fourth Amendment, an area immediately surrounding a house or dwelling is curtilage if it harbors the "intimate activity associated with the 'sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of life.'"[4] In United States v. Dunn (1987),[5] the Court provided guidance, saying that, "curtilage questions should be resolved with particular reference to four factors: the proximity of the area claimed to be curtilage to the home, whether the area is included within an enclosure surrounding the home, the nature of the uses to which the area is put, and the steps taken by the resident to protect the area from observation by people passing by." First Factor: Distance In Dunn, the Court said that the location of a barn, being 60 yards (55 m) from the home and 50 yards (46 m) outside of the fence which completely encircled the home, suggested that it was outside the home's curtilage.[citation needed] Second Factor: Enclosure by Fence In Dunn, the Court said that although the area was surrounded by a fence, the home was surrounded by a different fence and that fence was obviously intended to demark a specific area of land immediately adjacent to the house that is readily identifiable as part and parcel of the house.[citation needed] Third Factor: Nature of Use In Dunn, the Court said that law enforcement officials had evidence that the area was not being used for intimate activities of the home, namely that it was being used to store large amounts of phenylacetic acid (used in the illegal manufacture of drugs) and that it had a very, very strong smell.[citation needed] Fourth Factor: Protection from Observation In Dunn, the Court said the area was not protected at all from observation by those standing in open fields. Although agents did peer into a barn that was arguably protected by the Fourth Amendment, any such observation from open fields was not protected. (This is the "plain view doctrine", though it is not labeled as such in Dunn.)[citation needed] History The Fourth Amendment protects "persons, houses, papers, and effects". In modern cases, the Supreme Court interprets "a house" to mean "a home and its curtilage". It is not obvious when the Court first equated "house" with "home", though Prigg v. Pennsylvania (1842) seems to assume that "house" means "home". The first uses of the term "curtilage" by the Supreme Court appeared in the decisions of two unrelated cases from 1864. United States v. Stone (1864),[6] involved a boundary dispute over Fort Leavenworth, as to "what lands properly belonged to this military post, and the proper curtilage necessary for the use and enjoyment of it". In Sheets v. Selden's Lessee (1864),[7] the Court referred to "a grant of a messuage or a messuage with the appurtenances will carry the dwelling-house and adjoining buildings, and also its orchard, garden, and curtilage." Application The Supreme Court holds that the Fourth Amendment protects homes and their curtilage from unreasonable searches without a warrant. However, curtilage is afforded less protection than a home. Absent "No Trespassing" signs or fences with locked gates, it is considered reasonable for a person (including a police officer) to walk from a public area to the obvious main entrance to the home using the most obvious path in order to "knock and talk" with a resident. But otherwise, government agents need consent, a warrant, or probable cause of exigent circumstances to enter a home's curtilage. Many state constitutions have clauses similar to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and many have "castle laws" which use the term "curtilage". Although states are entitled to interpret their definitions different from (and subordinate to) the U.S. Fourth Amendment, they generally interpret "houses" the same way as does the Supreme Court, including its definition of "curtilage".
 

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yay!!! I'm glad at least 5 out of 4 judges recognizes the part of the 4th amendment defining curtilage.

I agree.....but what is scary to me is that 44% of the 'supreme's' think it's OK....as in OK to trample all over our liberty. People can say what they want about the GOP...but for the sake of liberty...I hope the next pres is NOT democratic! (as in, we will have a couple Supreme Judges retiring and the Pres pics the replacements) So far Rand Paul seems to be the top Conservative right now...lets hope he runs...There might be some hope for us yet...
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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me too, but if he was assigned a public defender more than likely he was :cry:

Seems he/she is out on bail for another arrest that happened after the case in question, so I'm guessing they were able to get bail for the dog sniffing case as well. This paragraph is found at the very end of the article.

"The criminal case against Jardines is on hold until the question involving Franky's nose is settled. Meanwhile, Jardines is out on bail following a 2010 arrest for alleged armed robbery and aggravated assault. He pleaded not guilty in that one, as well, and trial is set for Feb. 21."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/drug-dogs-constitutional_n_1181133.html
 

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I agree.....but what is scary to me is that 44% of the 'supreme's' think it's OK....as in OK to trample all over our liberty. People can say what they want about the GOP...but for the sake of liberty...I hope the next pres is NOT democratic! (as in, we will have a couple Supreme Judges retiring and the Pres pics the replacements) So far Rand Paul seems to be the top Conservative right now...lets hope he runs...There might be some hope for us yet...


you're confused...

2 conservatives and 3 liberals voted to shoot this down.

Joining Scalia's opinion were Justice Clarence Thomas, who is one of the more conservative justices, and the more liberal Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

3 conservatives and 1 liberal voted to allow it.

Justice Samuel Alito dissented, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Anthony Kennedy and Justice Stephen Breyer.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-usa-court-dog-sniffs-idUSBRE92P0NE20130326


so basically your premise is all wrong. we DO INDEED need Hillary to run and win so more liberals can be appointed to the SCOTUS.
 

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you're confused...

I find myself confused many times a day...mostly after I read the shit Obama does to us via executive order or shit buried deep in bills. Indefinite detention, extension of the patriot act, kill lists, fusion centers, saying he would respect states laws regarding cannabis then unleash the biggest assault on MMJ providers yet, etc...

I'll admit I was surprised the liberals helped out with this one.

3 conservatives and 1 liberal voted to allow it.

I assume you consider Kennedy as a conservative...I disagree. (To me...Alito & Roberts are conservative while Bryer is a liberal)

Kennedy..is not necessarily a conservative..but he sure is a swing voter...sure he was appointed by Reagan...but was not his 1st choice...or his second. He actually does rule towards constitutional law. I like him...that is when he votes towards my beliefs. :) but he has voted towards the liberal side many times. Kennedy, in my view and a lot of others, cannot be pigeonholed into either the left nor the right. It's anybodies guess which way this guy will vote. Of course the great Judge Napolitano always seems to figure him out.


My point...as a Libertarian...is that we are losing the Court and God forbid anymore liberals get appointed. Should I bring up Obama Care?????? Don't even get me started. I could site here for days destroying the Jack Ass known as the democratic party....I digress...the TOU prevents me from doing so.

so basically your premise is all wrong. we DO INDEED need Hillary to run and win so more liberals can be appointed to the SCOTUS.

You go ahead and vote for Hillary, it's your right! I'll be voting for liberty..not big government. It's OK to want the government to take care of everyone....welfare for everyone...healthcare for those that can't pay for it :petting: to bad I have to pay for it!! My tax rate last year was almost 60%! That is straight up robbery! Why do I have to pay for some baby momma's 6 children??? Was it my fault she kept pumping out kids while on welfare? What about the million or so illegals that get some type of entitlement? Bullshit. The social agenda of the democrats will ruin this country. It's time this country gets back to the Founders beliefs and cut this government back. It has grown way beyond it's intended purpose. Last time I checked this country was a Republic..not a Socialistic Regime that thinks it has the power to overstep the Congress...the will of the people. The executive branch is suppose to be one thirds equal in decisions...not the tyrannical dictatorship it thinks it is.

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I will not debate politics in depth..TOU and all...but I will leave you with this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sNWbiAMf80&feature=related
 

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btw, even before this decision many states already respected the privacy of the primary residence but held garages, sheds, outbuildings etc to lesser standards allowing leo the latitude to use canine detection methods on those structures.

be warned, this may still be true where you live.
 
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