Sudden droopyness in week 4 of flower

[phattybudz]

YET ANOTHER issue at day 26/27 of flower... leaves are drooping bad from this morning to this afternoon on my biggest hydro girl! Fuck! Check it out:



The things that have changed in the environment in the last day:

1 - My other fan died yesterday morning, prompting me to use this even shittier fan:

If anyone knows a good fan for a tent lemme know

2 - I upped the nutes to 1500

3 - I cut off some big fan leaves with red-purple stems to allow more light to get to the lower stuff

Anybody know what I did to make em droop?

Otherwise it looks good.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

The only time I've had plants in flower go droopy overnight was when they had developed root rot.

May want to see what is up with the roots and make sure everything is cool.

Otherwise wait for more experienced answer hehe.

About fans, I recommend "Lakewood"

Take it to Google, but looks like kmart will sell you one for 10 bucks plus shipping.

http://www.google.com/search?q=lakewood+clip+on+fan

Here's the one I have a few of, which I like since I had one when I was a kid and it lasted like 15 years. Summer camp to Hydro closet hehe.

http://www.77hydrostore.com/env016.html

Good luck man!

 

[rckymtnthuglife]

Well, you really should post up some more info...if you want a good answer.

Cutting off big fan leaves so the buds get more light isn't a very good idea. It's like feeding your dog every morning and taking him on a 5 mile run. Then one day you decide your only going to feed your dog half as much but now your gonna run 10 miles everyday. It won't take long and your pooch won't be looking so good.

There's food in those leaves that your plants need to live. Take a pic without the hps shining on them. Are they doing this right before lights out or all day?

 

[phattybudz]

"you really should post up some more info...if you want a good answer."

Yeah, I was in a rush this morning (on my way to get my medical card!) So I didn't post all the info.

so dwc/ph 5.6ish, lucas formula nutes (+koolbloom, hydroguard, hygrozyme... which I was told to drop the koolbloom, I'm doing that this afternoon.)

RH = 35-50% air temp = 72-76 day 64-70 night, water temp = 67-69 (chiller.) I have a small population of fungus gnats, I had thrips but I think they're toast. Anything else?

"The only time I've had plants in flower go droopy overnight was when they had developed root rot."

Yeah, I thought about that but everything else looks healthy, and last time I checked the roots they were huge and happy-looking...+water is good temp and has hydroguard... I'll check em again though.


"Cutting off big fan leaves so the buds get more light isn't a very good idea."

Yeah, a friend told me to do this and I think it may be the cause but I'm not sure. Could the lack of a good fan between the lights and the plants cause this? It's weird that it's only happening on one plant...it's the one right under the light though. I'll take a better pic tonight.

 

[del...]

just putting a fan on them alone won't cool things down...you need cool air to start with if you're trying to use the fan for cooling otherwise you're just blowing around the same hot air. for a short-term temporary fix you can wet a towel down and place over the fan so air blows thru it creating a 'swamp cooler' aka evaporative cooler...

and yes, i too strongly recommend NOT cutting off fan leaves.

good luck

 

[del...]

ahh, more info comes in right after i posted...

it doesn't appear heat is your prob. and even tho cutting off fan leaves is not a good idea i can't see how that would make the plants droopy. is there something else you've added or done differently lately?

 

[phattybudz]

"is there something else you've added or done differently lately?"

Only the things I mentioned above....

I tied a few branches off to the side, so that they wouldn't be right up in the light... maybe that?

hm. I'm gonna change the rez right now and see if that helps....

 

[Buzz Lightyear]

When you give plants too much ferts, it sucks the water out of the plant. Reverse osmosis. They might wilt or droop.

Ever seen plants growing in the cracks of sidewalks? Amazing, right.

Cut your ferts in half. I think your overkill with them. They will grow ok.

Buzz is buzzed. Happy growing icmag!

 

[phattybudz]

Thanks, I cut it back to 8-16 lucas formula and the ppm is 1200.. they were happy at that level so I'm hoping that will take care of it. I'll let ya all know.

 

[phattybudz]

They're still drooping bad; maybe worse... I'm real worried now! There are tons of fungus gnat larvae on the roots but otherwise they look good... could they be doing all that? The ph and nutes are fine I'm sure, and temps are good...

 

[phattybudz]

It looks a little darker/brownish at the top of the roots right by the bucket (but there is a large root mass that's very healthy and white below in the bucket...!) I'm thinking they've got the rot probably and you can see the gnats all over them... which pisses me off because they were doing so well for a few weeks, and temps were stable etc... I put in sm-90 for the roots and I'm waiting on gnatrol... Bah!

 

[DrPoison]

Shitty! Sorry to hear that this has happened at this time phattybudz. I hope you can get this sorted out and taken care off without any major damage. I can only imagine how frustrated you must be to run into a problem this far down the road. Best of luck mate! Praying to the Ganja Gods for ya! -DrPoison

 

[Guest]

This looks like my problem. Bump.

 

[phattybudz]

Thanks DR P... I lowered the water temp to 63... it seems to have stabilized (ph was dropping rapidly before now it's stable at 5.7,) and the drooping/yellow/browning seems to have stopped or at least slowed; I'm pretty sure the root rot spread through the whole system to one degree or another, so they're going to mature but not grow any heavier probably.

This won't be an issue in the next run because I'll H202 everything and keep the res at 66/filled with hydroguard and hygrozyme. Can't wait to run this system optimally...

 

[phattybudz]

This is a pic of what a bunch of leaves look like on 2 other plants in the system... I'm not sure if they're related or not but I figured somebody might be able to tell me what this is: Nute burn? Root rot? Multiple issues?

 

[phattybudz]

Here is a picture of the progression of the leaves while they droop/fold, and some tips are crisped too. I'm in week 6 now, I'm putting ppm from 1200 down to 1000 tomorrow, ph is still 5.6-5.7...sorry for the bad quality still. So I'm thinking this is a combo of things now... maybe overnute and root rot + fungus gnats? I want to make sure I've taken care of every possibility for the next run.

 

[cannakid]

fungus gnats will eat at the roots and stalk under the medium, this could cause droopieness.. ive been told the company the license gnatrol has problems and are not shiping any right now. gnat larve can eat through the soft skin of stalks like swiss cheeze, the plant heals it self and energy diverts from setting fruit... infection would naturally play into it but being a dirt farmer i find it hard to detect root rot, def hate the gnats though.

resently i crush up some mosquito dunks u can also use 'bits' containig BTi and soak in water overnight, strain through double or triple ply cheese cloth. i cant stand it since they took to my clone/seed starts, they take ALOT away from a plants energy. the problem is that BTi is not found in many products theas days, i havent read much to say its very hazzerdious or nuthin. heck it could be just my state that has the licens issue -ca