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Study: Alcohol, tobacco worse than drugs

HotCha

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323...legal_drugs;_ylt=AiLwOsBAL7bfY60a_pdom23MWM0F

By MARIA CHENG, AP Medical Writer Fri Mar 23, 3:41 AM ET

LONDON - New "landmark" research finds that alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than some illegal drugs like marijuana or Ecstasy and should be classified as such in legal systems, according to a new British study.
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In research published Friday in The Lancet magazine, Professor David Nutt of Britain's Bristol University and colleagues proposed a new framework for the classification of harmful substances, based on the actual risks posed to society. Their ranking listed alcohol and tobacco among the top 10 most dangerous substances.

Nutt and colleagues used three factors to determine the harm associated with any drug: the physical harm to the user, the drug's potential for addiction, and the impact on society of drug use. The researchers asked two groups of experts — psychiatrists specializing in addiction and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise — to assign scores to 20 different drugs, including heroin, cocaine, Ecstasy, amphetamines, and LSD.

Nutt and his colleagues then calculated the drugs' overall rankings. In the end, the experts agreed with each other — but not with the existing British classification of dangerous substances.

Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was Ecstasy.

According to existing British and U.S. drug policy, alcohol and tobacco are legal, while cannabis and Ecstasy are both illegal. Previous reports, including a study from a parliamentary committee last year, have questioned the scientific rationale for Britain's drug classification system.

"The current drug system is ill thought-out and arbitrary," said Nutt, referring to the United Kingdom's practice of assigning drugs to three distinct divisions, ostensibly based on the drugs' potential for harm. "The exclusion of alcohol and tobacco from the Misuse of Drugs Act is, from a scientific perspective, arbitrary," write Nutt and his colleagues in The Lancet.

Tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is blamed for more than half of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. The substances also harm society in other ways, damaging families and occupying police services.

Nutt hopes that the research will provoke debate within the UK and beyond about how drugs — including socially acceptable drugs such as alcohol — should be regulated. While different countries use different markers to classify dangerous drugs, none use a system like the one proposed by Nutt's study, which he hopes could serve as a framework for international authorities.

"This is a landmark paper," said Dr. Leslie Iversen, professor of pharmacology at Oxford University. Iversen was not connected to the research. "It is the first real step towards an evidence-based classification of drugs." He added that based on the paper's results, alcohol and tobacco could not reasonably be excluded.

"The rankings also suggest the need for better regulation of the more harmful drugs that are currently legal, i.e. tobacco and alcohol," wrote Wayne Hall, of the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, in an accompanying Lancet commentary. Hall was not involved with Nutt's paper.

While experts agreed that criminalizing alcohol and tobacco would be challenging, they said that governments should review the penalties imposed for drug abuse and try to make them more reflective of the actual risks and damages involved.

Nutt called for more education so that people were aware of the risks of various drugs. "All drugs are dangerous," he said. "Even the ones people know and love and use every day."
 
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DogBoy

LSD is safer than weed according to the new rules. It's a bit dubious in some areas but great that they are taking a more realistic approach now. I'm all for sensible debate on policy.
 

robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
genkisan said:
I wanna know where LSD ranked....

Yea lsd is ranked pretty low because it poses no physical harm and almost no addiction potential. It's only harms are mentally and society but even those harms aren't quite apparent. I don't agree with ecstasy though as it has been shown in most studies to be neurotoxic where lsd has not. Ecstasy use also exceeds that of lsd especially in Europe and ecstasy addiction though uncommon is more common then lsd addiction.


 
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DogBoy

I think they are actually trying to be accurate on this one so some of the classifications may look weird but if you look at how they arrive at the figures it shows they have allowed themselves a good look at fact without the hassle of being biased. I think a few small errors is more than paid for by the fact they are even looking into this. Seems all the years of lies and abuse have finally given way to sensible debate.

That and the need for big companies to monoplise the hemp market and ensure their profit continues when the switch to bio fuels comes. Of course....
 

ChaoticEntity

Active member
is this purely by addiction? for that I agree, for destructive power, well let's put it this way I've seen fMRI's of peoples brains after extended use of E and meth and their brains are deformed, mutiple medium sized chunks barely operate and the effects are pretty much irreversable, the structure of the prefrontal cortex changes and develops gaps. MJ does not do damage like that, in fact other than causing a slight imbalance in neurochemistry pot does very little.

If this list is anything other than rate of addiction then I simply cannot agree with it.
 

robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
ChaoticEntity said:
is this purely by addiction? for that I agree, for destructive power, well let's put it this way I've seen fMRI's of peoples brains after extended use of E and meth and their brains are deformed, mutiple medium sized chunks barely operate and the effects are pretty much irreversable, the structure of the prefrontal cortex changes and develops gaps. MJ does not do damage like that, in fact other than causing a slight imbalance in neurochemistry pot does very little.

If this list is anything other than rate of addiction then I simply cannot agree with it.

Yes however the extent of E use in which you need to use in order for that to happen is high and not a typical user.

What this factors in is addiction (both mental and physical) damage to health (mental and physical) damage to society and potential for use meaning is it a desirable drug. Im sure theres a few more I missed.
 
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master shake

Active member
robobond said:
Yea lsd is ranked pretty low because it poses no physical harm and almost no addiction potential. It's only harms are mentally and society but even those harms aren't quite apparent. I don't agree with ecstasy though as it has been shown in most studies to be neurotoxic where lsd has not. Ecstasy use also exceeds that of lsd especially in Europe and ecstasy addiction though uncommon is more common then lsd addiction.


WTF so I'm safer sniffing glue than smoking weed??
 

Nikijad4210

Member
Veteran
Khat's on there?? That actually has some sort of effect on folks?

Ok, I'm naive---Wtf does Khat actually do for someone?
 

master shake

Active member
does cannabis do more harm than extacy and solvents like the chart shows? I think not. Now if by harm they include jamming up the courts and jails then ok...
 
I remember seeing this on the news last night. Maybe now they can start to see that cannabis aint so bad after all. Even ecstasy was up there with the least dangers.

Maybe we can start seeing changes in a few years if more good information like this is set free. People deserve to know the truth, rather than jus the bad pionts.

This is great news to me, and i was smiling jubilantly as i watched the news.

good stuff

peace
 

Yellowmoon

Active member
I'm hoping some european country will consider the results of this research (and I heard in Germany they are doing that right now), because my country sure as hell won't do anything before someone else does first.

And that doesn't mean alcohol and tobacco need to be made illegal. :chin:
 
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guest

I believe that it was unwise to call this a study.

I believe that it was unwise to call this a study.

This more closely resembled a survey of experts.

Very little number crunching.
 
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