strange symptoms on leafs...maybe 2 def issues??(with pics)

[Guest]

hi guys, im reveging 3 lil babies....2 ice cools(nyc diesel strain), and one whiteberry( blueberry with white widow)...

they under 250watt hpi light 18 hours per day, they get watered when the soil dries up...

i feed them about 2 times per week, mostly when i see they developing some kind of problem....before this started to hapen they would only get plain water..other than that i always spray them with distiled water witha lil bit of co2 tablet.

the last 2 dosages i gave them were:

1-biogrow 1ml/liter
-biobloom 1 mil/liter

2-2ml per liter biobloom
2ml per litter rootjuice

i assumed the first yellowing was a phosphurus deficiency....as they were put under the light and they were used to a green light outside...so they kept on blooming for 1 week or so and i think they developed that deficiency....
so i gave them biobloom for that but it didnt seem to help much....


now they got new issues....so it seems like multiple deficiencies or so...really strange....here are the pics....the first is one deficiency on ice cool....the second and third are on the white berry...

hope ya guys can help, thanksa lot


PS:heat is always under 30cº....inicialy is 23cº at the end of the light hour about 29 or so...
PS2:if you cant see the pics they in ma galery

 

[Guest]

btw the last pic has some spots on it..brown kind of redish.... here is a zoomed pic of it...

 

[Core]

just a Quick resonce for you Fokaz....i think you are overdoing the nutes a bit, imhothat is.....just ease up on the nutes and you'll be fine

 

[Guest]

i did that a while ago lol
the problem is that, this time they had just plain water and they started developing this problems....so i gave them these mild dosages...and they kept on going worse.... :S
could a high ph be the cause of this(tap water here has a high ph and i gottabuya new ph meter)?
i seem to notice phosphurus, calcium, and something else on the ice cool i dont know what it is :S

but its hard to be overnutes as they developed this with plain water and the ferts i use are organic right? or i am once again wrong like many times before lol?

 

[wygram]

Did you keep them in the same pots as they were grown in or trimmed the roots and replanted? They could just be severely root bound and developing nutrition symptoms because of that.

 

[Guest]

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The History (for those who dont mind reading it)
they were having huge troubles due to excess salts building up and caused a serious ph problem....so i took them off the greenhouse and put them outside...outside the light was more green etc..and they stoped burning and recovered...even though they went into flowering for all that time....(but since the light was green they didnt use much nutrients neither did they grew much...and teywould on ly get plain water)
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The rest of the post:

so when i saw they had recovered fully....i cut the 2 lil tiny heads they
developed...and put them reveging again....

they kept on flowering for a week more under the 250 mh light...and started to develop phosphurus deficiency as they were never feed....

so i gave them that first feed i said on first post....but since then they developed those other 2 leaf problems (spots and the brown thing on the ice cool)...

the roots should be cool...i cant see the roots on the white berry, but the ice cool has white roots...and they seem to be growing :S

but i tried to measure the ph of the water leaving the vase and i think it was 7.5 or 8....i used to have a ph chart for the absortion of nutrients in diferent ranges in soil...but i dont have it anymore...
and the ph test wasnt very accurate :s as my bottle was empty and i just pourred a lil water inside to see the color :S


thanks a lot

 

[Core]

...mmmh if you are shure you have saltbuild up...you need to flush'm out..on the disired ph level...exxes salt does not go away on itself...and after that flush you will need to give'm a 1/2 dose of nutes...

i have that chart ..Just need to look fo rit ...i'll drop it off when i find it :smile:

 

[MynameStitch]

phosphorus is never yellow, ntirogen,magneisum,sulfur and few others are related to yellowing.

Your problem is now you are burning them, I would flush like core has suggested

 

[Guest]

hi guys, thanks a lot for the info and the chart, they still burning but a lot of new growth is appearing....really a lot of tiny leafs all overthe plant....

can this problemsbe cause she is making too much new growth for her capabilities?i was told to only leave 4 or 5 places where new growth could beestablished, but i did nothing towards that...and they getting new leafs everywhere

ill buy a ph meter and flush her....but the symptoms aren ow worse...ill just give her water while i dont run to the shop :S

but anyway, does anyone recognizes the symptoms the leafs are showing??:S

especially the deficiency on the first pic and those spots :S

PS:will post pics tonight
ps2:thanks lot

 

[MynameStitch]

What is your grow room temps like when lights are on and off?

recent pics will work wonders

 

[Guest]

hey, sorry for not posting the pics sooner, but i was waiting to see if something happen before that....and it did they got worse lol

->Stich, the temps start at 20 and usually go to a max of 29 which is not very usual...i also sleep with them while the light are on, so they should be a bit more heat tolerant due to ma homemade co2 maker lol

->They have 18 hours of light per day.


i went to the store and the owner said to me it shouldbe phosphurus intoxication...and for me to flush them and give them a really mild dosage of nutes....

so i gave them 0.5ml per liter of biogrow, 2ml of rootjuice and 0.5ml of delta9...after the wash offcourse....ph at 7, and before wash at 7 as well...so no ph problem...

-so today 24 hours after that they got more burned...how long does it take for them to stop burning if im doing the right thing?

-how long until i feed them again??same dosage when they dry, or minimal dosage on bottle?

i put pics of each of them...

ma strongest baby...ice cool

the normal baby...ice cool

and finaly the gentle maiden the white berry....super smoke but the bitchiest plant i ever seen :S

ill try to puton ma galery one or 2 pics of the leafs enlarged also...




so wut you guys think?

thanks a lot for everything...

 

[Guest]

 

[MynameStitch]

They look burned to me, what was the dosage you were giving them and how often?

How much of each with how much water?

How long ago did this start? what soil mixture are they in?
THey are getting burned thats for sure,

 

[Guest]

NUTES
->i gave them per liter only once since the wash....
0.5ml biogrow(it was hard to measure so i put only 0.5 in 1.5liter)
2ml rootjuice(only for roots so it doest burn and has lotsa micro nutrients)
0.5ml delta9(also only 0.5 in 1.5 liter)

->usually 1.5 liter of water is enough for the 3 of them...
->i water them when the soil gets dry

before the wash i gave them clean water until i saw deficiency symptoms....(they were revegging but kept on flowering for at least 1 week and i think they developed deficiency from that)
1feed:
-biogrow 1ml/liter
-biobloom 1 mil/liter

they ketp on getting worse so i gave them the 2 feed after 4 days or so...
2-2ml per liter biobloom(i tought it was p or k deficiency)
2ml per litter rootjuice


finaly before washing them they had:
1mil biogrow
4ml delta9
2mlrootjuice

which was what made them worse....

they only got these 3 feeds before wash...efore that they had only water for about month and half.

SOIL
they started in somposana universal, but they started burning due to slow release ferts, and then i washed them many times and repoted into light mix from biobizz

DATE
they showed the first symptoms of what i think it was deficiency cause they had only plain water, 2 weeks ago i think, the real agressive brown burning about a week

thx

 

[MynameStitch]

What mixture of soil are they in from biobizz? They have few different kinds....
Have you tested the pH of the run off?

When was the last time you fed them?
When was the last time you flushed them?

 

[Guest]

soil:lightmix from biobizz
PH before wash was 6.5/7 after flush 6.5/7 as well

last time i feed them was after i flushed them...and i flushed them on the 30 january, since then only water when they get dry.

the new growth is strong, but the old leaves are still all burning :S...if im did the right thinkg, how long will it take for them to stop burning?

thanks

 

[MynameStitch]

Are there any new leaves that are being affected? The damaged leaves will stay damaged and sometimes they will progress slightly and stop, because the damage was already being done before the flush.

 

[Guest]

yeah i still got burn, and new leafs are burning, but now i can see the v padron of a phosphurus deficiency :S like this :

this is a pic of the normal ice cool:

this is a pic of one of her leafs up close:

and i also havethis strange litle thing on the white berry leafs only, what is it???never saw this in ma life before...

should i feed them,or keep them on water only basis?
thanks a lot.

 

[Guest]

one other thing i forgot to say, sopme leafs are very fragil, today the biggest leaf on one of them just fell on ma hand when i holded it...it was a normal leaft with no burn :S
it was tottaly green...though it was lighter green than the others

 

[view2athrill]

Oh, you poor thing! And those poor plants...quick, get Dr.MyNameStitch in here, stat! Seriously though, I hope you can get help for your kids....that one white berry plant doesn't even look remotely like any mj phenotype I've ever seen. More like an ornamental shrub....are you definitely sure it's marijuana? No offense meant, it's just so different looking. I'll send you and your plants some positive vibes for health and wellness. And check back to see how you're doing. Good luck!