strange seedlings problems now all ded.

[doams]

So guys I was battling this nonsense when all the seedlings that popped were stunted and dried out no matter what.
but I think the problem was that something like a pathogen or virus was eating those seedlings alive or something.

it all started well like this:

but after a week or so it simply did not grow and looked/ended like this:

No matter what I did so got angry and thought that its a curse or something but then were thinking about this distilled water it must been something in it so took this distilled water boiled it for 15minutes so whatever was in there is now hopefully ded.

I mean lost like 10 seedlings exactly this way
lesson learned never trust distilled water bought from store never ever those guys dont care coz its all like technical water etc. right?

btw this seedling on photos is malawi reg. from our trusted ace but it doesnt matter coz there were different seeds from different brands all ended like this..
it started normal but then ended drying alive or something eating it alive.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

what are you setting the PH at when you soak the peat pucks?

 

[doams]

what are you setting the PH at when you soak the peat pucks?

between 5.8 and 6.0
tbh Ive completely lost trust in those jiffys and from now on starting all seeds directly in coco and EVERYTHING is now going thru boiling process /water+ coco/so im not taking chances with infested water etc. this was enough of bad experiences with lots of seeds lost.

Ive lost a few hairs on my head too but still got a few on the head

I heard those jiffys are quite acidic right?
btw runoff from coco where Ive put seeds was at ph 5.9 so it should be ok Ive ever ordered brand new seeds not taking chances already behing schedule for few weeks
but im glad those new seeds are starting to pop up will sleep a lil bit better this was like nightmare for me.

 

[superx]

I like to start my seedlings slightly lower 5.5-5.6, its rockwool so not sure if jiffys are that much different..

Your seedlings also look like they have cold feet, "over-watered"

 

[Snook]

I like to start my seedlings slightly lower 5.5-5.6, its rockwool so not sure if jiffys are that much different..

Your seedlings also look like they have cold feet, "over-watered"

I agree too much water, those PPs hold a lot.

 

[corky1968]

Sorry for your loss.

Just use regular potting soil from now on with seeds and things will be better.

 

[doams]

I agree too much water, those PPs hold a lot.

not sure about that maybe it was mix of factors coz only water that seedling on photo and others got was when Ive soaked those jiffys and they were under the dome the whole time..no further watering was done.

I must admit that temps were a bit high too over 33 Celsius but still "want" to believe there was something bad in that distilled water maybe im crazy oh well..

Was even thinking about setting up a mini lab with microscope but thats the sound of future at the moment.
a microscope with digital camera attached so I can post photos of possible bad organisms if there was something bad in that water..
maybe it was some kind of killer funghi-pathogen or something..
Really hope its now fixed otherwise might get crazy and end up locked up somewhere from all this what happened

its frustrating very much like you put many seeds and some dont ever pop up and when they do they dont grow at all
crazy!

 

[corky1968]

I have a microscope. Looking at pond water is mental.
You'll never drink water without boiling again. Just use
tap water or rainwater for seeds. No need for distilled.

 

[doams]

I have a microscope. Looking at pond water is mental.
You'll never drink water without boiling again.

must be scary

thinking about making my own distilled water gotta buy one of those distillation devices off ebay or something.

btw my well tap is @800ppm so its like toxic. still drinking it but just a cup/day and ofc boiled.

just googled some pictures of water under microscope and im alredy scared as s****

rather not to know

 

[Snook]

not sure about that maybe it was mix of factors coz only water that seedling on photo and others got was when Ive soaked those jiffys and they were under the dome the whole time..no further watering was done.

I must admit that temps were a bit high too over 33 Celsius but still "want" to believe there was something bad in that distilled water maybe im crazy oh well..

Was even thinking about setting up a mini lab with microscope but thats the sound of future at the moment.
a microscope with digital camera attached so I can post photos of possible bad organisms if there was something bad in that water..
maybe it was some kind of killer funghi-pathogen or something..
Really hope its now fixed otherwise might get crazy and end up locked up somewhere from all this what happened

its frustrating very much like you put many seeds and some dont ever pop up and when they do they dont grow at all
crazy!

I havent used PPs or RW for some time but as I remember, they hold allot of water, and if not squeezed out and then kept under the dome = no evaporation & too much water.. but I'm only looking at pictures..

 

[CannaBruh]

Looks soaked, sometimes water is the worst thing for the seeds, let em breath some.

 

[Bubbamaniac]

not sure about that maybe it was mix of factors coz only water that seedling on photo and others got was when Ive soaked those jiffys and they were under the dome the whole time..no further watering was done.

I must admit that temps were a bit high too over 33 Celsius but still "want" to believe there was something bad in that distilled water maybe im crazy oh well..

Was even thinking about setting up a mini lab with microscope but thats the sound of future at the moment.
a microscope with digital camera attached so I can post photos of possible bad organisms if there was something bad in that water..
maybe it was some kind of killer funghi-pathogen or something..
Really hope its now fixed otherwise might get crazy and end up locked up somewhere from all this what happened

its frustrating very much like you put many seeds and some dont ever pop up and when they do they dont grow at all
crazy!

Ok your probably crazy lol, the only reason I say that is by federal law distilled
water can be only that! Spring water can be from a municipal tap and bottled. Distilled water has to be steam distilled... I hope that helps keep looking

 

[aridbud]

Totally saturated. Those type of peat pellets need a few poke holes in the bottom to allow drainage.

Personally I don't like Jiffy or other peat pots as they are too acidic for seedlings. Peat Moss has an acidic pH, generally in the range of 4.4 (a pH of 7 is neutral; higher pH numbers indicate alkaline soils.

 

[PoweredByLove]

if i had to hazard a guess...there were no roots coming out of the jiffy pellet?

i hear you mention a lot about water and doing things...but you didn't say anything about letting the pucks dry out so that the roots can spread.

next time i suggest not drowning them.

wet the pucks. no need to squeeze unless they're just dripping. lay on a flat surface like a plate or in your humidity dome, cover. leave. open dome so it's not too humid. wait till the water is absorbed/ evaporated. you should see roots poking out by then. transplant. grow.

 

[CannaBruh]

Another thing I don't like about the expandable jiffy pucks, is that even expanded they still are very dense and don't hold a lot of air, so mildly moist they are packed with water and dense medium, not what the babies are looking for when setting up new feet.

 

[PoweredByLove]

jiffy pucks are actually pretty loose when you follow the directions and they aren't soggy. they dry pretty fast and introduce a lot of air when they are drying. very porous.

 

[CannaBruh]

I've found the opposite, once they are expanded they are saturated and heavy. Perhaps you could wring it out like I do with coco. To each their own, I've always had problems with too wet of conditions and jiffy peat pucks.

 

[corky1968]

I got a solution.

Throw all of those peat pellets out the window and start with real soil.

I bought a bunch of peat pellets this Spring to start flowers and got nothing out of it.

I won't be wasting my time on them again.

 

[superx]

I got a solution.

Throw all of those peat pellets out the window and start with real soil.

I bought a bunch of peat pellets this Spring to start flowers and got nothing out of it.

I won't be wasting my time on them again.

I agree, i would dispose of them myself..

I think coco is his preferred choice of medium though, Personally love rockwool cubes they are the mutz nutz

 

[CannaBruh]

Pay close attention and really baby seedlings in coco as too wet, same problem & too dry and they die. I use a small dome over them like an inch or two only until the first serrated set is praying.