stem resembles cauiliflower in aero cloner ???

[GMax]

i have two mothers a nebula ( had for yrs) and a sensi star that i took my first batch off clones from. i use a aero cloner and i usually have roots bout 5 days

this last batch, after bout five days they looking healthy i decide to see if the roots showing, when i check on them though beneath the neoprene is lumpy and swollen and just sorta resembles "cauiliflower stem"

that batch rooted bout 3 days later than usual and i disinfected the system with bout 5ml sm-90 per G ( i usually disinfect with bleach, i dont know if that right amount of sm90 for disinfection, if someone chime in...)

then i took another batch and same thing. it seems to be hitting my sensi stars the worst. I dont have any pics cause my cam broken. but the underground exposed stem is swolllen to almost twice the size and has hard lumps growth all over like i said just imagine a cauiliflower stem.

aero cloner holds 3 gal : i use 10ml clonex 2.5ml SM-90 TOTAL, i scrape and split my clones stems

any help greatly apppreciated as i run perpetually and 2-3 day loss can have big effect

thank u

 

[tokinafaty420]

Thats the precursor to actual roots. We call them root bumps. Some strains will just throw the roots out right away, some will bump up and turn white in color all over the stem. I find it happens more often when I don't score the stem with a razor exposing the inner membrane of the stem to rooting hormone. When I do score the stems with a razor the roots seem to come straight out of the scratches /cuts right away without bumps.

 

[GMax]

thats how my nebula usually are straight out with no bumps and i scrape and split everytime but it doing the cauiliflower too and i been taking clones from her every week for years and never....

the batches were both neb and sensi together so i could compare rotting times etc..they taking 3-4 days longer than usal

i know it sounds like i describing the primordia but this not healthy.. wish i had pic

thanks for response

 

[tokinafaty420]

Well in that case if its out of the norm, I would just assume you have a bacterial or fungus infection in your cloner. Take it apart and clean it with a 5% bleach solution.

 

[OMountainMix]

do NOT clean with bleach. trace amounts of bleach can remain in your system and rot your roots.

RINSE your system really good. like several times, soak with clean water, rinse again. clean with a clean scrubby and mild antibacterial soap. rinse, rinse, rinse.

try powerclone instead of clonex.

 

[tokinafaty420]

do NOT clean with bleach. trace amounts of bleach can remain in your system and rot your roots.

RINSE your system really good. like several times, soak with clean water, rinse again. clean with a clean scrubby and mild antibacterial soap. rinse, rinse, rinse.

try powerclone instead of clonex.

I've never once had a problem with 5% solution. Have you had it personally happen to you or just something you heard?

 

[GMax]

i havent been disinfecting w/ bleach anymore cause i could never seem to get all of out..

i already disinfected with sm-90 before i took this last batch. i use 5ml sm-90 per gallon..ran overnight..twice with plain RO scrubbed etc.. i dont know if i didnt use enough cause i never had to use it to disinfect i just always use a ml per g and never really have probs

i used olivias before i made the switch to clonex and back then i had pretty much every prob u can get.. olivias NOT good for aero...

bumps are a bad way to describe it they more like warts

thanks all replies

 

[OMountainMix]

we had the bleach problem and it took us a long time to figure out what it was. a lot of cloning problems are b/c of people either not cleaning gear properly or having bleach remaining in the system.

have you always used sm-90 to clean your cloner??

 

[GMax]

we had the bleach problem and it took us a long time to figure out what it was. a lot of cloning problems are b/c of people either not cleaning gear properly or having bleach remaining in the system.

have you always used sm-90 to clean your cloner??

no i have never used it..i dont even know what ratio to use... i had this cloner for bout 3 yrs. i used olivias for a year of it and if i didnt bleach run between each batch i had to keep my fingers crossed that i wouldnt have probs the bleach never affected rooting times but my water always looked a little soapy .

i got the sm-90 to and clonex together and since then i just rinse with water and wipe down between runs and refill...i can get away w rotting 3 in a row w same water... this the first prob in almost 3 yrs..

the sm-90 helped but it didnt go away and it still terrible on the sensi and i really excited bout those cause i LOVE nebula for years and i heard the SS her hotter sister ...maybe i should use bleach

 

[OMountainMix]

I wonder if you're having problems b/c of the sm-90, that's why i asked you if you'd used it to clean before.

 

[BagseedSamurai]

My pepper plants do the same when they are cloned. I take it as my first sign of roots.

 

[unclefishstick]

did it look like this?

those are root bumps

 

[GMax]

did it look like this?

those are root bumps

no it dont look like that....

the stem is swollen really bad....

just imagine right below that water line the stem being lighter colored, swollen to twice the size and covered in LARGE "warts" i know what primordia is and supposed to look like, it not that, these bumps are 10x that size and they arent white they are the same color as stem... it literally look like plant herpes... wish i had a pic

thanks for reply

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Roots should come out of those in an aero cloner. what you should do though is cut some more and use less cloning gel, or just stick with green light powder. I find you can use too much clonex.

 

[Chimera]

The mass sounds to me like callous - undifferentiated plant cells. Is it like a beige-ish/yellow colour?

Without a pic, and assuming it is callous.. Hash Zep is correct- roots will protrude from
the callous.

Rooting gels are not really suitable for a water cloner, because they are usually washed away into the water and don't leave any effective amount of auxin like molecules where they need to be to promote root formation. Powdered versions like stim-root seem to cling to the stems in a water cloning system.

To be perfectly frank, however, no rooting hormone is actually required for cannabis. A healthy shoot from a nutritionally healthy plant it will root quite easily without any extra rooting compound - gel, liquid or powder- especially in a properly designed water cloning system.

Respectfully,
-Chimera

 

[GMax]

wow! u the chimera ? if so i am honored... i got a pack of mental floss on the way, i so excited think i might be able to pull 2 gpw with them

yeah the callous sounds more like me.. they are beigish/ yellow.. but they did root at 60% rate and a few days later than usual... usually get bout 90%

i used plain water before and had good success...but i always got a little quicker with rotting solutions...i will scrub the system good again and cut the rooting solution in half and see if that helps and i take another batch on sat

 

[growingforfun]

im happy you posted this cuz the same thing happend to several of m plants, now i know whats going on =)

 

[frostqueen]

we had the bleach problem and it took us a long time to figure out what it was. a lot of cloning problems are b/c of people either not cleaning gear properly or having bleach remaining in the system.

have you always used sm-90 to clean your cloner??

This was years ago, but for anyone reading this... this is total nonsense. Why would bleach, a bacteria killer, cause rot? It doesn't. It's a bizarre conclusion to come to. Not trying to start a word war, but it's important to call people out on spreading misinformation.

Clones have no problems whatsoever with chlorine or chloramine well above 20 ppm. See Snype's cloning formula if you don't believe me. It has a healthy amount of pool shock in it and works flawlessly.