Starting a New house...

[Blunted22]

Hey guys im thinking of moveing and starting up from scratch somewhere else i just wanted this one to be perfect in everway. I was hopeing to tell everyone my plans and setups and see if i can get any constructive critisism...


First the new location....

1)Im looking at a house around 100k to 125k in the coutry but not really with no neighbors (no one is going to live at this one) Im hopeing for it to have a attached garage for e z loading and unloading. Im renting through a fake id that ive already rented an apartment with the was rented out by a management company so i know if i get a private renter that this id will work just fine. The electric bill im trying to get in someone else's name as well as some other bills to the house.

Second the setup

2)Well this is what i want the most help with... I have been only running 2 1000's at the house which was more then enough cause its just really for me and some buddies. Well now that im going to move it out the house i need to do it bigger becuase i need to cover the house that its giong in and everything else....


3)with that beign said im thinking 6 1000's across 6 4x4 ebb and flo tubs put together to make 3 8x4 tables. The lights will be on light movers 2 to a 4x8 table and the light movers will have the 9' rails.

4)Each 4x4 table will hold a diff strain and therefore is going to have seperate rez's to control the different needs and wants of each strain. I have a 120 e z cloner and thinking of buying another one, giving me a total of 240 clones available at once.

5)This is were i need help. Runnign 6000w i dont want to run all 6000w on 12 on 12 off so i was thinking of running a flipflop system so the power spikes wont be alarming. I have never ran a flip flop but if its from what i understand i can have 6 lights and only need 3 ballasts...?

6)Im also wondering about electrical... Its a rental hopefully with some decent eltrical wires but i think i still want to get someone in there and hook up some new circuits to the box in the basement specifically for this. Anyone got a good reason why i need 3 more breakers ran in the basement? Or should i not need to go that far?

7)Next is a question for my rez's in my last grow i had to top off everyday and haveing 6 seperate rez's im wondering is there a way to make like a float valve for them? And if there is can i make 1 for all 6 or does the nutes have to be premixed with the spereate rez's nutes so they dont go all out of wacK?

I would like to make this as automated as possible cause it wont be in my basement where i can just walk down there.

8)My Co2 setup.... Should i position the tanks directly over the table since co2 is dense and drop onto the plants? Or should i just try and keep it closed down as small as possible and just let it leak out like normal with a co2 distributer on it?


9)I was also wondering with no one liveing there so barely any other power is being used am i undershooting on 6 1000w's? Do you guys think i could get away with more? I forget to mention my veg area will be under either 2 600w's which im think of also putting on light rails so they cover more area. The clones will not veg im just using rockwool 4" cubes ATM so as soon as they root through they are on 12/12.

10)My next question there is gonna be alot of debate about and thats the medium... Ive been stuck with RW cubes and they do fine but are very expensive, are not reusable, and very hard to get rid of in quantity. So for you RW users what the hell do you do to disspose of this crap? For you non RW users ive been thinking of hydrotron or coco beds but with each one im stuck cause right now i can fit an e z 60 clones on a 4x4 table useing 4" RW if i switch to pots it cuts it down to like 40 or less so im kinda debateing on what to do. Anyone that been in same situation please chime in.

11)This ones on ventilation and ordor control... The room will be in the basement probably sectioned off with black plastic. I need to work out a ventilation system to control odor somehow. I would like to run ducting and build room with walls to make it e z but being a rental i dont know if it will be a possibility.


Any help would be appreciated im sure i missed somethign questions and comments welcomed. Im sorry this is so long and drawn out i tryied to number the questions so they will be e z to respond to, and for those who took the time to read everythign and respond thanks.

 

[BlindDate]

5)This is were i need help. Runnign 6000w i dont want to run all 6000w on 12 on 12 off so i was thinking of running a flipflop system so the power spikes wont be alarming. I have never ran a flip flop but if its from what i understand i can have 6 lights and only need 3 ballasts...?

A flip box will work, but what will you do for veg?? Your ballast also run 24/7 using a flip. Very hard on them. If you can afford a 125K house, I would just buy 6 more ballasts. Will also solve the veg problem.

I don't know of any power meter that records spikes.

 

[Guest]

I've been running flip flops for 10 years now.

Because I run a stadium system and keep the plants around 18" tall in 1gal bags, I can easily get my 1 week to 10 day veg on half the lights. It is plenty and we get very good yields.

All you need to do is swap half the wires on your box or switches so every 12 hours the other half of the lights come on (still flip flop). It gives you 24 hour light at half strength but all the plants do get 12 hours of intense light.

Before we started doing that we had our chambers harvesting and being planted at different times so we were reduced to just leaving light on in the rooms to keep them in veg. This worked decent enough but the wire swap for veg was best. We have to make sure we always have enough clones to load up both chambers to make it work though.

 

[Blunted22]

the veg room will be completley seperate and in its own room with own lights and ballists.

 

[Guest]

That is the ideal way to use flip flops. Straight into the flower room ready to trigger.

That's what I'm doing at my new place. I have an extra shop that's just perfect.

 

[DB2004]

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[BlindDate]

the veg room will be completley seperate and in its own room with own lights and ballists.

OK,,,,I'm no expert on SOG but doesn't everyone give them at least a few days veg to establish clones in the flower setup?

 

[Blunted22]

sog most go as soon as the clones have established a decent amount of healthy roots to take nutes... You can veg for a week or two but the yeild is not much different.


You telling me no one has anythign to add or anser any of my questions?


DB2004 thanks man ill let you know when i get the system all ready to go im not sure what exactly i wanted to do thats why i was asking but it doesnt seem like anyone wants to read my long ass post.

 

[Guest]

If you are renting a house in a private isolated location, then why only 6 bulbs?

 

[est1977]

for sog I go 5-7 days veg depending on the strain believe it or not that is enough time to establish your plants then switch over to 12/12

 

[cobain420]

5) I would scrap the flip flop idea I would use just regular ballasts, it's what your used to and it's simple and straightforward. I've never used them before so they could be really great to use for a setup like yours, but to me just seems like a lot of strain to keep a ballast going for 24/7 for months on end. If you have any problems with your ballast, it will affect two light cycles instead of one.

7) I'm not sure what type of hydro system your using but there are many tutorials around the forums that have a single reservoir for many plants. I would definitely recommend getting one main reservoir in the flowering room, anymore will create a bunch of extra work.

9) If your renting a house, then I think you should do it right. I would setup at least a minimum of 8K HPS flowering. Go big or go home. This amount of electricity shouldn't raise any concern with the power company if your not living there, and it's the only power being used. Many people rent a house and throw up 10K+.

I would say veg the clones about 1 week after they are rooted for maximum yields while still keeping the turn around time between crops short.

Tried to answer a few of your questions, hope things go well with the new project!

 

[Guest]

5) I would scrap the flip flop idea I would use just regular ballasts, it's what your used to and it's simple and straightforward. I've never used them before so they could be really great to use for a setup like yours, but to me just seems like a lot of strain to keep a ballast going for 24/7 for months on end. If you have any problems with your ballast, it will affect two light cycles instead of one.

There are many benefits in using flip flops.

1/2 the $$ for ballasts.

Ballasts running 24/7 are in fact more efficient. Letting ballasts cool and power down for 12 hours only means they have to power back up. You lose light this way because it takes time for them to run at full output. They draw the most power at this time. If you add an hour a day for a ballast to run at full output over 56 days, that's 56 hours of less than maximum light over your flower cycle. Trivial... maybe but in a commercial crop it could add up to several thousand to maybe 10,000 (so on and so on...) $$$.

There are power spikes/surges like mentioned also but at 3 ballasts/6 bulbs this is not a worry.

Your ballasts will less likely run into problems running 24/7. Most times it's when you turn a ballast off then back on that you discover a problem. Less of on and on is less wear and tear on equip often.

I would scrap the flip flop idea I would use just regular ballasts

You use regular ballasts. You just run the lamps through relay switches. I've yet to have one of the 100's I've used over the last 10 years fail on me after set up. I had to return one once during set up. I wire my own equip.

Now a large op for one guy may be a small one to another depending on things like geographical location. Here in BC I would not worry about 6 ballasts on 12 hour. BUT, things are changing. Legislation has been past now so communities can request from the hydro company the unjustified high usage accounts. Surrey, Langley, Abbotsford are all cracking down on accounts. For now they are mostly showing up at 12 ballast and up houses with the fire chief and posting a 24 hour inspection notice(was 48h before). You get the shit out of your house and let them in or they pull the meter off your house til you do.

This is entirely up to the community though and the police still have to have a warrant to obtain info on your account although the community can share this info with the police. This just means the police still have to do things the old fashioned way to act on their own.

Most communities have not acted on this yet. Mostly just in the Vancouver area.

My point is that worrying about 6 ballasts on 12 h and surges is pointless in some areas. We don't know where the topic starter is so it's up for him to calculate.

 

[Blunted22]

well the idea is to start with 6 and go up depending on light bill concerns. I appreciate the help ill look on the one main rez but i dont see how ill be able to maintain it because the strains im running take up different amount of nutes and one will burn while the other doesnt get enough.

 

[58FLH]

As far as the reason for additional circuits welders, kilns or wood working tools could be reasons.

 

[Guest]

well the idea is to start with 6 and go up depending on light bill concerns. I appreciate the help ill look on the one main rez but i dont see how ill be able to maintain it because the strains im running take up different amount of nutes and one will burn while the other doesnt get enough.

That sure sounds complicted if you are trying to make money.

Find a good strain and grow some money!!