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STARCH COULD BE THE CAUSE OF HUMANS LARGER BRAINS!

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Truthman

Doesn't look like meat is the cause for our larger brains!.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6983330.stm


Starch 'fuel of human evolution'
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The average Brit eats 500 medium-sized potatoes each year
Man's ability to digest starchy foods like the potato may explain our success on the planet, genetic work suggests.

Compared with primates, humans have many more copies of a gene essential for breaking down calorie-rich starches, Nature Genetics reports.

And these extra calories may have been crucial for feeding the larger brains of humans, speculate the University of California Santa Cruz authors.

Previously, experts had wondered if meat in the diet was the answer.

Brain food

However, Dr Nathaniel Dominy and colleagues argue this is improbable.

"Even when you look at modern human hunter-gatherers, meat is a relatively small fraction of their diet.

"To think that, two to four million years ago, a small-brained, awkwardly bipedal animal could efficiently acquire meat, even by scavenging, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense."

They discovered humans carry extra copies of a gene, called AMY1, which is essential for making the salivary enzyme amylase that digests starch.

Survival benefit

Next the team studied groups of humans with differing diets and found those with high-starch diets tended to have more copies of AMY1 than individuals from populations with low-starch diets.

For example, the Yakut of the Arctic, whose traditional diet centres around fish, had fewer copies than the related Japanese, whose diet includes starchy foods like rice.

The researchers believe our earliest human ancestors began searching for new food sources other than the ripe fruits that primates eat.

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Man has a larger skull capacity than other primates

These were starches, stored by plants in the form of underground tubers and bulbs - wild versions of modern-day foods like carrots, potatoes, and onions.

In work earlier this year, the team found that animals eating tubers and bulbs produce body tissues with a chemical signature that matches what has been measured in early fossilised humans.

Dr Dominy said that when early humans mastered fire, cooking starchy vegetables would have made them even easier to eat.

At the same time it would have made extra amylase gene copies an even more valuable trait.

"We roast tubers, and we eat French fries and baked potatoes. When you cook, you can afford to eat less overall, because the food is easier to digest."

And marginal food resources can become part of the staple diet.

"Now you can have population growth and expand into new territories."

Speculation

Professor John Dupré, a professor of philosophy of science at Exeter University in the UK, urged caution when interpreting the findings.

He said it was impossible to conclude that the introduction of starchy foods into the diet lay behind the emergence of larger brains in humans.

"Lots of things differ between ourselves and our closest relatives and apart from the difficulty of establishing the relative places in the evolutionary sequence of any of these, the assumption that there is any one fundamental to such change is dubious.

"The results on amylase genes are quite interesting, and a good indication of something we are beginning to appreciate more widely - the functional plasticity of the genome."
 

Pops

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Gorillas have a very starchy diet and small brains. The human brain utilizes up to 20% of our total caloric intake. Starches simply don't provide enough calories. Proteins do,whether fish or meat.
 
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Evidence that human brain evolution was a special event
Genes that control the size and complexity of the brain have undergone much more rapid evolution in humans than in non-human primates or other mammals, according to a new study by Howard Hughes Medical Institute researchers.
The accelerated evolution of these genes in the human lineage was apparently driven by strong selection. In the ancestors of humans, having bigger and more complex brains appears to have carried a particularly large advantage, much more so than for other mammals. These traits allowed individuals with "better brains" to leave behind more descendants. As a result, genetic mutations that produced bigger and more complex brains spread in the population very quickly. This led ultimately to a dramatic "speeding up" of evolution in genes controlling brain size and complexity.

"People in many fields, including evolutionary biology, anthropology and sociology, have long debated whether the evolution of the human brain was a special event," said senior author Bruce Lahn of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at the University of Chicago. "I believe that our study settles this question by showing that it was."

Lahn and his colleagues reported their data in a research article published in the December 29, 2004, issue of the journal Cell.

The researchers focused their study on 214 brain-related genes, that is, genes involved in controlling brain development and function. They examined how the DNA sequences of these genes changed over evolutionary time in four species: humans, macaque monkeys, rats, and mice. Humans and macaques shared a common ancestor 20-25 million years ago, whereas rats and mice are separated by 16-23 million years of evolution. All four species shared a common ancestor about 80 million years ago.

Humans have extraordinarily large and complex brains, even when compared with macaques and other non-human primates. The human brain is several times larger than that of the macaque -- even after correcting for body size -- and "it is far more complicated in terms of structure," said Lahn.

For each gene, Lahn and his colleagues counted the number of changes in the DNA sequence that altered the protein produced by the gene. They then obtained the rate of evolution for that gene by scaling the number of DNA changes to the amount of evolutionary time taken to make those changes.

By this measure, brain-related genes evolved much faster in humans and macaques than in mice and rats. In addition, the rate of evolution has been far greater in the lineage leading to humans than in the lineage leading to macaques.

This accelerated rate of evolution is consistent with the presence of selective forces in the human lineage that strongly favored larger and more complex brains. "The human lineage appears to have been subjected to very different selective regimes compared to most other lineages," said Lahn. "Selection for greater intelligence and hence larger and more complex brains is far more intense during human evolution than during the evolution of other mammals."

To further examine the role of selection in the evolution of brain-related genes, Lahn and his colleagues divided these genes into two groups. One group contained genes involved in the development of the brain during embryonic, fetal and infancy stages. The other group consisted of genes involved in "housekeeping" functions of the brain necessary for neural cells to live and function. If intensified selection indeed drove the dramatic changes in the size and organization of the brain, the developmental genes would be expected to change faster than the housekeeping genes during human evolution. Sure enough, Lahn's group found that the developmental genes showed much higher rate of change than the housekeeping genes.

In addition to uncovering the overall trend that brain-related genes -- particularly those involved in brain development -- evolved significantly faster in the human lineage, the study also uncovered two dozen "outlier" genes that might have made important contributions to the evolution of the human brain. These outlier genes were identified by virtue of the fact that their rate of change is especially accelerated in the human lineage, far more so than the other genes examined in the study. Strikingly, most of these outlier genes are involved in controlling either the overall size or the behavioral output of the brain -- aspects of the brain that have changed the most during human evolution.

According to graduate student Eric Vallender, a coauthor of the article, it is entirely possible by chance that that two or three of these outlier genes might be involved in controlling brain size or behavior. "But we see a lot more than a couple -- more like 17 out of the two dozen outliers," he said. Thus, according to Lahn, genes controlling the overall size and behavioral output of the brain are perhaps places of the genome where nature has done the most amount of tinkering in the process of creating the powerful brain that humans possess today.

There is "no question" that Lahn's group has uncovered evidence of selection, said Ajit Varki of the University of California, San Diego. Furthermore, by choosing to look at specific genes, Lahn and his colleagues have demonstrated "that the candidate gene approach is alive and well," said Varki. "They have found lots of interesting things."

One of the study's major surprises is the relatively large number of genes that have contributed to human brain evolution. "For a long time, people have debated about the genetic underpinning of human brain evolution," said Lahn. "Is it a few mutations in a few genes, a lot of mutations in a few genes, or a lot of mutations in a lot of genes? The answer appears to be a lot of mutations in a lot of genes. We've done a rough calculation that the evolution of the human brain probably involves hundreds if not thousands of mutations in perhaps hundreds or thousands of genes -- and even that is a conservative estimate."

It is nothing short of spectacular that so many mutations in so many genes were acquired during the mere 20-25 million years of time in the evolutionary lineage leading to humans, according to Lahn. This means that selection has worked "extra-hard" during human evolution to create the powerful brain that exists in humans.

Varki points out that several major events in recent human evolution may reflect the action of strong selective forces, including the appearance of the genus Homo about 2 million years ago, a major expansion of the brain beginning about a half million years ago, and the appearance of anatomically modern humans about 150,000 years ago. "It's clear that human evolution did not occur in one fell swoop," he said, "which makes sense, given that the brain is such a complex organ."

Lahn further speculated that the strong selection for better brains may still be ongoing in the present-day human populations. Why the human lineage experienced such intensified selection for better brains but not other species is an open question. Lahn believes that answers to this important question will come not just from the biological sciences but from the social sciences as well. It is perhaps the complex social structures and cultural behaviors unique in human ancestors that fueled the rapid evolution of the brain. "This paper is going to open up lots of discussion," Lahn said. "We have to start thinking about how social structures and cultural behaviors in the lineage leading to humans differed from that in other lineages, and how such differences have powered human evolution in a unique manner. To me, that is the most exciting part of this paper."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-12/hhmi-eth122804.php
 
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That is why Orientals are great at math and science,all the rice they eat haha.
 
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Pops said:
Gorillas have a very starchy diet and small brains. The human brain utilizes up to 20% of our total caloric intake. Starches simply don't provide enough calories. Proteins do,whether fish or meat.

This is true BUT when you look at how MUCH starchy foods a person eats, it beats out meat because there is more supply of it and easier to get as opposed to hunting and fishing which would have used a lot of energy because you might not catch enough to eat for the day, if anything at all.

Also, heating the starches make them more available so even though a primate may eat starchy foods, they eat them raw which means a lot will be excreted due to the fibers and only enough to be used for quick energy will be used.

I was just watching a show where the people lived like others in the "hunter gather" days and they spent A LOT of time hunting, only to not catch anything and went hungry and had to eat honey for energy.

Also, when you take into account high protein and high carbohydrate rich foods like beans and nuts can be eaten when man knew how to farm and make fire to make these things easier to digest and taste better, you can see how these starchy foods helped accelerate man. They had more time to be creative and enjoy life, and didn't have to spend a lot of their time hunting.

Agriculture is just a better payoff than hunting and fishing as a main source of nutrition.

Brainthor, I wonder if diet was the major reason for the shift in the genes and allowing us to grow bigger brains and maybe to stand upright because if our diet was high in vegetative matter, over time we had to stand upright so we wouldn't have to spend a lot of energy reaching and climbing for fruits and foods?. Sort of like a giraffe growing a longer neck to access foods high up in trees.

Primates, eat constantly which would take away the time for them to grow civilizations, have sex daily when they want, be creative constantly and whole bunch of other things. It seems a primate tried something different to access food, it worked and their body helped them to keep doing this and as they kept getting different complex carbohydrate rich foods, they had more energy to sit around and do other things instead of eating and finding ways to get food because the complex carbohydrates fueled them longer than the meats and fruits.
 
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Pops

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If you go back 2-3 million years ago, you will find hominids with huge crushing molars who consumed many starchy tubers and the starchy centers of plants like banana stalks,much as gorillas do today. Even with this very starchy diet, they had very small brains. It could be possible that the evolution of genes determining large brains forced a change in diet to supply the calories necessary to fuel these larger brains. If so, we now have a chicken and egg scenario. Which came first, the larger brain that needed an improved diet or the improved diet to bring about the larger brain.
 
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Pops said:
If you go back 2-3 million years ago, you will find hominids with huge crushing molars who consumed many starchy tubers and the starchy centers of plants like banana stalks,much as gorillas do today. Even with this very starchy diet, they had very small brains. It could be possible that the evolution of genes determining large brains forced a change in diet to supply the calories necessary to fuel these larger brains. If so, we now have a chicken and egg scenario. Which came first, the larger brain that needed an improved diet or the improved diet to bring about the larger brain.

Yeah, this is true but it's fun to observe the chicken and the egg!.

Also, maybe the reason why their brains were smaller was because the energy that we use to have larger brains could have been used by the primates and hominids to have larger molars. Cooking food enough for the fibers and starches to soften up might have been the reason for our face structures to get smaller and brains to get larger because we wouldn't need a lot of energy to breakdown food, the heat did it already. Instead our energy would have been used to metabolize the food which means a bigger brain.

Also, when you look at preparation of food like grinding and making flours, this could have accelerate the brain growing process because less time would be needed to cook the food and more nutrients would become available. Peace.
 
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"To think that, two to four million years ago, a small-brained, awkwardly bipedal animal could efficiently acquire meat, even by scavenging, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense."

"Dr Dominy said that when early humans mastered fire, cooking starchy vegetables would have made them even easier to eat."

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so roasting vegetables is more "primitive" than scavenging for meat??
 
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master shake said:
"To think that, two to four million years ago, a small-brained, awkwardly bipedal animal could efficiently acquire meat, even by scavenging, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense."

"Dr Dominy said that when early humans mastered fire, cooking starchy vegetables would have made them even easier to eat."

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so roasting vegetables is more "primitive" than scavenging for meat??

If you want to EFFICIENTLY acquire scavenged meat in order to grow to your optimum, it would be hard to do this daily because most animals leave little meat to eat and if you try to take the meat they can chase you down and kill you.

If you knew how to make fire, all you have to do is take the beans, nuts, and starchy foods and put them on the fire. The fiber absorbs a lot of heat and protects the insides from burning while still softening up and breaking down the complex carbohydrates and proteins to be easily metabolized by the body.

It is the perfect way to eat food for someone who can't get it at an optimum level all the time. The only problem they had to overcome was keeping the food available constantly and this is how farming helped solve this problem.

Agriculture provided more stable food, more fiber to make clothes, houses, and create arts such as music and drawing and the easily available nutrients made it easier for our brains to do more complexed thinking at a faster rate because the nutrients didn't take long to become available and they fueled the body and brain for a longer time. Peace.
 
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Pops

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Truthman, farming didn't come about until about a million years after brains started getting bigger. The Neolithic Revolution(agriculture) is only about 7000 years old. Neanderthals from 300,000 years ago had bigger brains than we have today, and they hadn't discovered agriculture.They were primarily meat eaters.
 
Pops said:
Even with this very starchy diet, they had very small brains.... Which came first, the larger brain that needed an improved diet or the improved diet to bring about the larger brain.

you answered your own question. The improved diet came first.
 
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Pops said:
Truthman, farming didn't come about until about a million years after brains started getting bigger. The Neolithic Revolution(agriculture) is only about 7000 years old. Neanderthals from 300,000 years ago had bigger brains than we have today, and they hadn't discovered agriculture.They were primarily meat eaters.

I know this, what I'm saying is as time went on, adding these things such as food preparation and farming helped fuel our evolution. I'm not saying this happened all at once.

As far as neanderthals, yes they were meat eaters BUT they were bigger all around their bodies, not just the brain. When you look at the fact that the animals who lived around them were big and they were hunters, then of course this they would be bigger in their physical aspects BUT they also had a lot of health problems which might have come from their diet and because of their diet didn't help them defend themselves at the cellular level.

Also, if you rely on meat as your main source, it would be hard to grow as a civilizations, or on a personal level, to be more efficient in utilizing the body to do more things because a bigger body that relies on meat, needs constant feeding which means more time hunting and preparing the big game and less time being reflective and growing as a person, you would be so big that you would need more food just to function which means less for the group as a whole and be a cause of fighting between each other and also a person who has a smaller brain due to less proteins than a heavy meat eater but is wired to function at a higher rate due to having a high amount of easily available complex carbohydrates, which is the brains main source of energy, would be better at coming up with ways to take over his environment because they can think quicker.

The meat eater might have a lot of protein BUT he wouldn't be able to utilize it with efficiency because of his lack of a constant energy source.

The starchy roots, nut, beans, grain, vegetable eater would be smaller BUT more efficient in his workings because he might not have all the protein that the meat eater does BUT he has enough too help the brain grow to a nice decent size BUT more importantly, he can fuel it constantly.

Its like a cannabis plant. We all know people who think a plant that is bigger means its better BUT when you grow a plant that is smaller, yet a good medium size, it will be better to have the smaller one as opposed to the bigger one because the smaller one can utilize the nutrients it is given more quicker and efficiently than its bigger version which in the end means the plant would be more potent.
 
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master shake said:
speaking of evolution of humans, (sorry to wonder off topic) but this is just weird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna#The_.22Stoned_Ape.22_theory_of_human_evolution

click on "stoned ape theory" if it doesnt direct you there

That's another theory that makes some sense because we all know that there are plants and fungi that get the brain going into a state of observing things different and more than what we normally do and if one saw another animal eat something, didn't get sick and die, and came to a relaxed or different behavior than normally, most likely the primate would partake of this.

If you add the fact of the starchy diet, cooking these foods to make them more bioavailable, it would not be hard to see how herbs and fungi could have accelerated the rate that man grew.

All you have to do is look at YOUR situation. If you ate whole foods everyday, cooked and raw together, which we now know keeps the body in perfect health which means more time for growth, was constantly active by moving around all day,getting sunlight and fresh air, and then take some herb or even a stimulant like coffee, you will see how you take notice to things more and think on them more than you would normally do which means you would want to understand what your observing, which means using it to your advantage, which means taking over your environment. Instead of being a victim of your environment like other animals, you can CONTROL your environment which makes you the king of the jungle.

If you had nothing but time on your hands you can see how man grew at a fast rate because the more that the early man learned the quicker he developed. I'm sure as time went on they probably didn't realize it was their diet doing this and probably stopped partaking in these herbs after a while BUT the ball was rolling by then so it might have slowed down a bit BUT it was still going.

Image where we would be if people as a whole stayed eating psychoactive plants,fungi and ate a whole diet cooked and raw daily. We would probably be in a world TOTALLY different from what it is now because most people don't eat whole foods and don't take psychoactive plants daily. Even the ones who do take psychoactive plants daily, still don't eat whole foods that are plant based cooked and raw.

MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT LIFE COULD TRULY BE. Peace.
 
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Im thinking if it were true the Irish would look more like this.

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