Spinosad 2nd week flowering

[Andread420]

Hi all growers, usually about 2 weeks before flowering I spray the spinosad on my girls but unfortunately, I'm an idiot, this time I totally forgot this step. I spray it in advance since sometimes the party was ruined in full bloom by thrips but this time the situation is different since yesterday, inspecting leaf by leaf, on one of my girls I found about 6 tiny balls (6 balls in total on 3 leaves of the same branch in the middle of the plant) of a reddish color, but apparently transparent, attached to the main vein of the lower part of the leaf almost as if it came from the same vein. I have never had aphids or red spider mites but I know that they are a great pain in the ass and, even if I still cannot say that I have an infestation, I would like to avoid getting to know these parasites also because I try to keep them under control and I this situation seems absurd. I state that the plants are healthy and apparently do not show any problems except for a few claw leaves caused by a pre-fertilized soil saturated with nitrogen. My questions are the following
1: Being in the second week of flowering, can I safely spray spinosad? (I know it shouldn't be done but the plant is still developing the first flowers and I don't think it's all this big problem but I ask for advice from those who have found themselves in this situation)
2: Could it be that in reality they are not eggs but anything else derived from damage to the leaf? I have no photos unfortunately because my phone is so much shit it couldn't focus and rightfully so these balls are small and my lens had low light batteries so I didn't get a chance to see myself up close.
I ​​thank anyone who has had the patience to read

 

[Creeperpark]

Are you outdoors? I wouldn't use it on indoor plants because the residue lasts so long.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

1: Being in the second week of flowering, can I safely spray spinosad? (I know it shouldn't be done but the plant is still developing the first flowers and I don't think it's all this big problem but I ask for advice from those who have found themselves in this situation)

I would think itd be ok. Spinosad degrades quickly when exposed to uv light so should be all gone after a few days/week under lights.

 

[Creeperpark]

I was concerned about the new ban on spinosad in Canada? There must be a reason for it and maybe one should hold off until the coast is clear to use safely. People spray stuff on their plants all the time like it's nothing and if you are one of those people go ahead. Spray away. I don't think it's safe as not spraying anything at all.

 

[Creeperpark]

In the absence of sunlight, spinosad breaks down very slowly in water. Half-lives of more than 30 days to 259 days have been reported. However, it binds rapidly to sediment. The half-life in sediment, where no oxygen is available, ranges from 161 to 250 days. Google

Spray residual on the undersides of leaves will take the most time to break down and is where there's a concern. .

 

[Budz Lightyear]

In the absence of sunlight, spinosad breaks down very slowly in water. Half-lives of more than 30 days to 259 days have been reported. However, it binds rapidly to sediment. The half-life in sediment, where no oxygen is available, ranges from 161 to 250 days. Google

Spray residual on the undersides of leaves will take the most time to break down and is where there's a concern. .

Well, the plants arent underwater, lol, so thats all irrelevant
As for a ban in Canada, is that for spraying on outside crop fields? Because again thats different. Its harmful to bees and aquatic life, but thats not what we're talking about. Also, I doubt anyone is planning on smoking the leaves.
but even still, Spinosad is harmless to humans. Its used in Flea treatments that you put on your pets.

 

[Creeperpark]

Spinosad is mixed with water so it is relevant, however, if you want to spray your plants by all means go ahead. Anytime there's an outbreak or an infestation of any kind of insect, there should be a red flag that something is out of place in the environment. When temperatures in the grow swing out of normal range the plant defenses are weakened making them vulnerable. If one is dialed in and can maintain an appropriate temperature in the environment there won't be any problems with bugs. Healthy plants can defend themselves from bug attacks if their environment is in harmony.

Insects are cold-blooded organisms - the temperature of their bodies is approximately the same as that of the environment. Therefore, the temperature is probably the single most important environmental factor influencing insect behavior, distribution, development, survival, and reproduction. Google

 

[Budz Lightyear]

Spinosad is mixed with water so it is relevant, however, if you want to spray your plants by all means go ahead. Anytime there's an outbreak or an infestation of any kind of insect, there should be a red flag that something is out of place in the environment. When temperatures in the grow swing out of normal range the plant defenses are weakened making them vulnerable. If one is dialed in and can maintain an appropriate temperature in the environment there won't be any problems with bugs. Healthy plants can defend themselves from bug attacks if their environment is in harmony.

Insects are cold-blooded organisms - the temperature of their bodies is approximately the same as that of the environment. Therefore, the temperature is probably the single most important environmental factor influencing insect behavior, distribution, development, survival, and reproduction. Google

Dial your environment in to optimum, ensure your plants are in full health, then release a few Spidermites and some Thrips or broadmites. Tell me what happens after two weeks and if the plants fought them off.

(You do mix Spinosad with water but I think the figures/data you're citing is for an aquatic environment.)
I use Spinosad all the time. I also have access to industrial/agricultural pesticides but I'd never attempt to use those indoors. You cant even go in a field for two weeks after its been sprayed. Spinosad is safe for humans and pets. It is also a selective pesticide, it does not kill predator mites, only pest species.)

 

[Creeperpark]

Spray all you want friend, it's ok if you want to spray your plant's flowers with an insecticide. Please take no offense to my words and no disrespect intended. I'm just saying plants in a natural environment do fine without insecticides. If I tune my growing environment in with the right temps, RH and best water feed plant maintenance, I don't have any problems with thrips or spider mites. A bug attack is a signal that something is off in the grow or you have sick plants. If you want to spray Spinosad on your plants and it helps then by all means go ahead. I never spray fungicides, insecticides, or anything on mature plants.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

Spray all you want friend, it's ok if you want to spray your plant's flowers with an insecticide. Please take no offense to my words and no disrespect intended. I'm just saying plants in a natural environment do fine without insecticides. If I tune my growing environment in with the right temps, RH and best water feed plant maintenance, I don't have any problems with thrips or spider mites. A bug attack is a signal that something is off in the grow or you have sick plants. If you want to spray Spinosad on your plants and it helps then by all means go ahead. I never spray fungicides, insecticides, or anything on mature plants.

I dont spray in flower. Only in veg. BUT, I would probably risk it in this situation, if they were less than 3 weeks into bloom. Theres plenty of time left for the Spinosad to degrade imo, plus you have time to spray with water before you harvest. If I was in this situation I'd treat asap with Spinosad then introduce predator mites.

Ive personally not heard of a plant recovering from thrips or mites just from optimising the environmental conditions alone. But maybe it happens, Idk.

 

[Creeperpark]

Bugs only attack weak and sickly plants in an environment that has issues. Once a bug has attacked your grow you have to use sprays. The trick is to have a healthy environment and healthy plants so you don't have to spray. I know it's hard for you to get around not spraying because it's just the way some people are. Spraying water or anything on buds is bad business and unhealthy. Spraying induces mold and clogs the stomata on the undersides of the leaves and pores on the top of the leaf. Just for your information, healthy plants don't need to be sprayed in the environment is dialed in. How do I know because I never spray anything on my plants! I haven't needed to in over 10 years.

 

[Creeperpark]

I'm not going to say anything else about it on this thread. If you want to learn you can if you don't then don't.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

Bugs only attack weak and sickly plants in an environment that has issues. Once a bug has attacked your grow you have to use sprays. The trick is to have a healthy environment and healthy plants so you don't have to spray. I know it's hard for you to get around not spraying because it's just the way some people are. Spraying water or anything on buds is bad business and unhealthy. Spraying induces mold and clogs the stomata on the undersides of the leaves and pores on the top of the leaf. Just for your information, healthy plants don't need to be sprayed in the environment is dialed in. How do I know because I never spray anything on my plants! I haven't needed to in over 10 years.

I've only needed to spray infected clones/cuts that have come from other people. I'd say my environment is pretty decent considering my canopy is around 4ft tall and 2-3ftft deep.
Those are some cute little plants you got there, and pretty blurple lights too. Nice If I ever need advice on microgrowing I'll hit you up, thanks

Day 45 of 11/13

 

[Creeperpark]

I've only needed to spray infected clones/cuts that have come from other people. I'd say my environment is pretty decent considering my canopy is around 4ft tall and 2-3ftft deep.
Those are some cute little plants you got there, and pretty blurple lights too. Nice If I ever need advice on microgrowing I'll hit you up, thanks

Day 45 of 11/13
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Are those Sativas? They sure look pretty. Do you say these are all clones? What kind of media are you using? By the looks of the lights, I would say you are using 1000 watt high-intensity lights. You are dialed in very nicely and I would say your environment is working for you. You don't spray your buds only clones correct? Never mind friend

 

[f-e]

Reddish transparent balls along a vein isn't that unusual. It's actually sap. It often seems unlikely as they barely touch the plant. It's like one of the wonders of the world.



45 days since what?