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nukklehead

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First run of golden tiger (failed panama r/t stupidity of overgrow) fems . Experienced grower, limited height , strong scrog and LST skills. 1K lighting. All 5 beans popped vigorously in 36 hrs in Root riot cubes with no taps or other roots showing at this time. Cotys showing and almost at 1st set of leaves approx 3-4 inch tall under fluorescents. Veg'd PREVIOUS hybrids approx 2-3 weeks in cups then to the 1K Hempy scrog. (Failed panama as above probably R/T too much Veg time and not expecting the the jungle growing of the plant so had to cull early to prevent overgrow of room) Understand now I need very little veg time for these vigorous monsters. Usually grow 1K with 7-8 plants scrog, ---this grow, 5 fem GT's to allow for more room. Want to throw these babies in and flip the switch asap.. how long should I wait?? is it really ok to start 12/12 from seed or a few days there after? Room also has 600K that I dont use. Should I put these in the room right now under 600k 12/12 then move up to the 1K when more mature? Have the ability to keep light far enough to prevent scorch of babies I think. Just want to know if flowering 12/12 from seedling really means seedling or after a week or so to let the plant mature and grow some roots? :chin:
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stoney917

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U can do 12/12 from start if u want. ... they wont flower right right away cuz even with it 12/12 they will veg till the plant decides its mature enough to flower.... some strains are much better then others n gt given its genetics should be a nice candidate. ...
 
hush

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12/12 from seed means exactly what it says, straight up. You keep the lighting on 12/12 from the very beginning to the very end. It's a known technique that has been around for ages, and it's commonly used with plants that grow too tall, because even 1 week of 18/6 veg can be too much sometimes. So it sounds like you should try it out with those genetics. :tiphat:
 
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jsomhintdh

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3-4wks veg you'll usually get your preflowers that atleast tell you sex, maturity is reached i believe once alternating nodes happen. Shooting 12/12 from seed i'd think would add to height with stretching. So if height is your limiting factor, maybe veg for a few weeks 18/6, top the plant(s) and create clones from those tops. Give your clones a week or 2 to root, give your freshly topped plants a week to recover, and flower the topped plants, then once have a good root base off clones flower those. Seems this way you could keep height to a good limit, and benefit from allowing your plants to mature a bit.

But best thing you could do if you are in it for fun is to just do some trial and error and see what works for you. Plants behave differently, so unless you are using a dialed in strain you are gonna be in the dark anyways with stretch etc.. so just have fun and keep a mental note of progress, or make a hardcopy for further exploration

and if doing 12/12 from seed, what size container are you going to go with? Seems wasteful to flower from get go with seeds that aren't feminized unless you reuse your medium
 
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CoCoSativas

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Super confusing thread. The only thing I get ur asking is what's 12 12 from seed. That's literally having it on 12 12 right from when it pops up.

Good luck. I'd advise breaking up your post it's pretty confusing. Someone pointed out I did that ages ago the first time I joined a forum. It's hard to read a wall of words,especially when it's all over the place
 
Tangwena

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Hi nukklehead your going to love Aces GT
I am currently growing GT,Panama, and PanamaxMalawi similar problem limited hight under 750w CMH lamps I vedged for 1 week from seed at 14/10 then 11/13 from then on,currently
at the 3 week mark.
I top once at 4th node, let them grow a week and then lay them on their sides and LST the hell out of them through the stretch. It works well I have a diary going in the Ace forum.
You should end up with a sea of colas, at least 8 per plant. I use the stretch during flowering to grow them instead of vedging as per normal with hybrids.
My avatar is an Ace Malawi fem that I did this to, currently trying the same technique on 4, two GT's and one each of the others. I checked them today and all is exploding into flower as hoped.
I will post more picks as they get sexed up.
Tangwena
 
Hold Your Fire

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Tang, what did that avatar plant yield.

Looks incredible!

Smoke must have been just as incredible.
 
Tangwena

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Hi hold your fire
hi buddy 450grams dried but I took it too early I should have let her go another 3 weeks or so, but I will not make that mistake again, I now leave them until all the leaves yellow and now they are good. Aces sativas are all kick arse I cant wait till my grow box looks like a forrest of pine tree's. I have a diary in the ace forum of that grow.
Tangwena
 
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nukklehead

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Tangwena said:
Hi nukklehead your going to love Aces GT
I am currently growing GT,Panama, and PanamaxMalawi similar problem limited hight under 750w CMH lamps I vedged for 1 week from seed at 14/10 then 11/13 from then on,currently
at the 3 week mark.
I top once at 4th node, let them grow a week and then lay them on their sides and LST the hell out of them through the stretch. It works well I have a diary going in the Ace forum.
You should end up with a sea of colas, at least 8 per plant. I use the stretch during flowering to grow them instead of vedging as per normal with hybrids.
My avatar is an Ace Malawi fem that I did this to, currently trying the same technique on 4, two GT's and one each of the others. I checked them today and all is exploding into flower as hoped.
I will post more picks as they get sexed up.
Tangwena
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Thanks Tang you answered my question perfectly. No problems with burning under that 750 at young age.?. do you raise it up a little in the beginning? No problems with sex as they are fems... looking forward to probably hardest wrassling match I have ever had trying to tame these.. like the idea of topping at 4th node then anchoring her down.. Thanks!!!
Hope I can come close to matching your skills..:biggrin:
 
Tangwena

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Hi nukklehead yes at first couple of weeks I double the usual distance from the lights ,but they quickly hunger for more. Outside in the wild the sun is the same distance roughly from the time they pop, so they quickly adapt to the light strength. I find the sativas relish being trained and manipulated. During the first couple of months I tie and bend the branches to try and stop apical dominance of any one shoot, just like a scrog.
You are going to love the GT its my favorite high so far.
Tangwena
 
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nukklehead

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Tangwena said:
Hi nukklehead yes at first couple of weeks I double the usual distance from the lights ,but they quickly hunger for more. Outside in the wild the sun is the same distance roughly from the time they pop, so they quickly adapt to the light strength. I find the sativas relish being trained and manipulated. During the first couple of months I tie and bend the branches to try and stop apical dominance of any one shoot, just like a scrog.
You are going to love the GT its my favorite high so far.
Tangwena
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comprende,,,... Thanks!...that Helps
 
dubi

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Hi nukklehead,

As hush pointed out, a 12/12 grow from seed means to flower directly your plants from recently germinated seeds with a 12/12 photoperiod, without extra 18/6 growing time.

If you have height limitations in your setup then i would recommend you to flower them with very little or almost no growing time. Take in mind Golden Tiger grows even more vigorous and taller than Panama.

It is also a very good idea to keep clones for future grows, this kind of sativas perform much better in small indoors when you start the cycle using old small clones.

If you share pics during their development then we will be able to help more precisely. Best wishes!
 
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nukklehead

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dubi said:
Hi nukklehead,

As hush pointed out, a 12/12 grow from seed means to flower directly your plants from recently germinated seeds with a 12/12 photoperiod, without extra 18/6 growing time.

If you have height limitations in your setup then i would recommend you to flower them with very little or almost no growing time. Take in mind Golden Tiger grows even more vigorous and taller than Panama.

It is also a very good idea to keep clones for future grows, this kind of sativas perform much better in small indoors when you start the cycle using old small clones.

If you share pics during their development then we will be able to help more precisely. Best wishes!
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Thanks Dubi will do~


OH SHIT!!!!

If these babes are more aggressive then panama then im in for one fun (heavy maintenance Im getting too old) grow.. in previous run I had to cull the panama due to taking over the rest of the grow (hybrids)..... as above info..

Thanks goodness this one is only the GT X5 plants so motivated to see how it does... Sorry cant take clones (Dubi)... thinking more along the lines of topping at 4 th node (as above) and finishing them from there per topwanga.......

Right now girls are sleeping (transplanted to 3 gallon Hempys--after popping in root riots.. under 600W 11/13.....will move to 1K when appropriate... Just giving water right now (lightly) will probably go into weak nutes in a few days ... (to each his own... wont go in to growing methods.. it all works one way or the other--done em all.,,please.. no issues)



thanks dubi (all)... will post an update later....:tiphat:
 
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