Sorting out males preseason from standard seeds.

[Tactical Farmer]

Damn why didn't (my friend) think of this before !

When working with regular non feminized seeds it sure sucks spending 2-3 months taking care of aprox half your crop during the first half of the season, waisting alot of space, time, resources, etc, etc, just to find out half or more of the plants are generally useless males.

So why not start alittle earlier, grow out the beans inside while its too cold outside, veg them for alittle bit THEN flip them 12/12 into flower just long enough till they show sex !! ??

Once sex is shown, increase light cycle again so they go back into vegging, they may be some shock but not to bad ?

Maybe even isolate the best looking males for polen / precise seed production mid season and just elimanite the males before even going outside ?

This would also greatly lessen alot of negative factors like accidentally missing a male mid season causing a entire seeded crop, lot more productive use of space at location, not transporting unsexed males to location, waisting alot of time inspecting sex mid season, pulling and disposing big males, etc.

Seems like it should be standard procedure, stunned my friend didn't think if this before.

Comments ?

 

[MostWantedGens]

very good thread, the question is how long veg needs before the 12/12 than how many days flowering and how many days re-veg before take them outdoors to the final spot.

I would say 20 days veg than 10 days flowering than 20 days veg to re-veg. but not tried it yet.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Yep thats right, I was thinking at least 30 day veg, maybe 14 day flower, then maybe 14 day reveg.

So 2 months total.

If thats the case there is still plently of time this season but one had better get them beans cracking.

In theory one could go out alittle late since they would have twice the amount of females.

Friend would rather take care of more smaller plants anyway.

Going out super early can result in late frost damage and huge hard to maintain trees anyway.

Ever try inspecting huge colas on a 10 plus footers out in the bush, fak.

 

[gunnaknow]

You may like to read Silverback's thread below before you attempt this:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=102144

Fortunately, you don't need to invest much time or energy into growing males, if you plant them outside as sprouted seeds. Just plant the sprouts with roughly half the spacing that they'll need at maturity, and then thin out the males when they show sex. The females will then have all the space that they need, and you won't have wasted much time or energy on the males.

 

[MostWantedGens]

the best method starts indoor in small pot, than take it outdoors into a bigger sized container till they show sex around june, than take the females into the final pot.

 

[gunnaknow]

That isn't always the case, MostWantedGens. You may like to read what the retired breeder Greens had to say on the matter:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1956864#post1956864

 

[MostWantedGens]

You may like to read Silverback's thread below before you attempt this:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=102144

Fortunately, you don't need to invest much time or energy into growing males, if you plant them outside as sprouted seeds. Just plant the sprouts with roughly half the spacing that they'll need at maturity, and then thin out the males when they show sex. The females will then have all the space that they need, and you won't have wasted much time or energy on the males.

usually the males show sex outdoors at last and shading the females cause the males grows bigger.

there are many good ways to grow nice plants.

there are some facts... more veg time = bigger plants = bigger yield

should avoid the frost, need enough soil / veg time, etc rules

its much more complicated than link a thread to read it...

there is a thread somewhere, the guy grew too big indoors the seed plants and took out too early so they flowered as fck than later re-veg... thats a very usefull thread about timing.

enough from the theories... the best sowing time is now. if you want to grow monsters... more veg time = bigger plants, just need to avoid the mistakes. thats all.

 

[The Dopest]

I would just find a mother and clone the crap outta it in the cold season, take rooted female cuts outside when the weather permits.

 

[MostWantedGens]

its a good solution of course... but this thread about when you have good regular seeds but dont want to waste soil and space on males outdoors.

 

[mendo-local]

That would work just fine under normal circumstances. ... you just lose a fer weeks having them re-veg. For me I don't want to add any extra stress at all.... When I pop my seeds they don't slow down till I'm chopping them down.but.... I'm also trying to get my plants as big as genetically possible. ..