Something Fishy.....

[James-Bong]

Anyone else out there think it's Ironic the the Country with the most Advanced Technologies in the world can't get a Electronic Voting machine to work right in the last 10 years???? Something tells me Bush and his Flunkies have thier hand in this....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061107/ap_on_el_ge/eln_voting_problems

 

[Guest]

Electronic voting machines....fishy for sure...

what will it be next?



Robotic canditates ..?

 

[Guest]

too much man...

too much man...

I know this is beside the point but...

well yes.. utopistically an electronic voting machine would be good if you could vote on daily matters like legalizing cannabis with just a social security card...

just scan your barcode and enter the parliment... congress or whatever. The peoples voice plus a percantage of congress would pass a vote.. In case people abstain the percentage rises etc...

you could vote on issues that concern you over breakfast.

thusly the people have spoken... since we cannot trust politicians to keep their promise to be good

but I guess you got a problem with big brother too.. it doesent matter who you vote for if they rig the election... The U.S got an expensive warmachine to run that makes no profit on peace... no offence guys but they are spending your free healthcare and education...

The reason they don't pay is beacuse they don't wanna pay... who's got the money ?

and we all got problems with big corporations and mob cartels fucking up our democracies and our freedom to decide what is and what is not..

maybe I'm giving capitalism a bad name here... I'm not saying my government is any better. but we chose it after all

sure beats communism... nice idea but the reality of it's practice is different.

It all depends on who are in charge..

well any way sorry if I'm totally wrong (I'm no expert) or causing a riot here

money and power is the root to all evil

just say no if you don't need it

peace

 

[Guest]

nobody REALLY knows man.. the machine is too complex

As far as my experience goes... it's all good

The "we apologize" sign is a nice touch

this is going over my head... watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/



I think I'm behind on my spliff rolling

 

[James-Bong]

>>>Something tells me Bush and his Flunkies have thier hand in this....<<<

I'd be hard pressed to say that the deficiencies in the various voting machines have -hurt- their cause. They certainly seem to have benefited for it.

And random errors in nature don't tend to favor one party over another, or one (anything) over another.

moose eater

How soon we forget the Polling Nazis who turned away thousands of voters down in FL with the bush/Gore Cluster fuck of a election......

I mean We put people in space, we see galaxies million of light years away, we have artificial hearts, amazing medical scan devices......

Yet we can't get an oversized lap-top to work????
What a fuckin Joke....

When a president gets into office even though he lost the majority of the votes??? That should signal a need for a major ovehaul of our election processes....

The "Good Ole' Boys" are in there folks.... and they are gonna drive this country into the shit hole......

 

[ChrOniCHiGhz]

I think they make the program for the voting booth too complicated. I could write a simple program in VB, less then 100 lines of code, that could do it, and would never mess up. Its just another excuse to rig election and what not.

 

[Guest]

Man you need to elect either center party leadership or liberals. but you guys got a lot of religious fundamentalistic fanatics.. too I guess

I guess I'm insulting all over the board here... we're no angels either

Change ain't bad

but I guess that ecnomics and politics just ain't this simple...

both are connected with culture

and tradition

and I'm not smart enough to put it all together

ok. I'm out

keep it cool

-Jokke Jones-

 

[Legit_User]

It's not fishy, it's FACT.
Anybody that has HBO should grab a joint and put on Hacking Democracy.
This documentry is extremely eye opening and sad at the same time.
My wife was cryting her eyes out in the end when you finally figure out this is no conspiracy theory.
People are stealing elections......
Stay peacefull

 

[Guest]

thanks

I was thinking about downloading that one

just balance it out

It's not that they steal the election... they are lying to the lions..

man

 

[James-Bong]

word.... coruption on this level makes ya sick to the stomach....

 

[Legit_User]

EVERYONE needs to see this documentary

EVERYONE needs to see this documentary

Hacking Democracy Overview---------


Electronic voting machines count about 87% of the votes cast in America today. But are they reliable? Are they safe from tampering? From a current congressional hearing to persistent media reports that suggest misuse of data and even outright fraud, concerns over the integrity of electronic voting are growing by the day. And if the voting process is not secure, neither is America's democracy. The timely, cautionary documentary HACKING DEMOCRACY exposes gaping holes in the security of America's electronic voting system.

In the 2000 presidential election, an electronic voting machine recorded minus 16,022 votes for Al Gore in Volusia County, Fla. While fraud was never proven, the faulty tally alerted computer scientists, politicians and everyday citizens to the very real possibility of computer hacking during elections.

In 2002, Seattle grandmother and writer Bev Harris asked officials in her county why they had acquired electronic touch screen systems for their elections. Unsatisfied with their explanation, she set out to learn about electronic voting machines on her own. In the course of her research, which unearthed hundreds of reported incidents of mishandled voting information, Harris stumbled across an "online library" of the Diebold Corporation, discovering a treasure trove of information about the inner-workings of the company's voting system.

Harris brought this proprietary "secret" information to computer security expert Dr. Avi Rubin of Johns Hopkins University, who determined that the software lacked the necessary security features to prevent tampering. Her subsequent investigation took her from the trash cans of Texas to the secretary of state of California and finally to Florida, where a "mini-election" to test the vulnerability of the memory cards used in electronic voting produced alarming results.

As the scope of her mission grew, Harris drew on the expertise of other computer- science experts, politicians and activists, among them: Andy Stephenson, candidate for secretary of state in Washington state; Susan Bernecker, Republican candidate in New Orleans; Kathleen Wynne, an activist from Cleveland; Dr. Herbert Thompson, chief security strategist, Security Innovation, Inc.; Ion Sancho, supervisor of elections for Leon County, Fla.; and Harri Hursti, a computer-security analyst. Academics, public officials and others seen in interview footage include: Deanie Lowe, supervisor of elections, Volusia County, Fla.; Mark Radke, marketing director of Diebold; David Cobb, presidential candidate, Green Party; and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones of Ohio.

Diebold software, or other software like it, is installed in thousands of counties across 32 states. David Dill, professor of computer science at Stanford, says the problem is that there are "lots of people involved in writing the software, and lots of people who could have touched the software before it went into that machine. If one of those people put something malicious in the software and it's distributed to all the machines, then that one person could be responsible for changing tens of thousands of votes, maybe even hundreds of thousands, across the country."

In Florida, Leon County supervisor of elections Ion Sancho presided over a trial "mini-election" to see if the vote could be hacked without being detected. Before votes were actually cast, computer analyst Harri Hursti "stuffed the ballot box" by entering votes on the computer's memory card. Then, after votes were cast, the results displayed when the same memory card was entered in the central tabulating program indicated that fraud was indeed possible. In other words, by accessing a memory card before an election, someone could change the results - a claim Diebold had denied was possible.

Ultimately, Bev Harris' research proved that the top-secret computerized systems counting the votes in America's public elections are not only fallible, but also vulnerable to undetectable hacking, from local school board contests to the presidential race. With the electronic voting machines of three companies - Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia - collectively responsible for around 80 percent of America's votes today, the stakes for democracy are high.

One of the executive producers of HACKING DEMOCRACY is Sarah Teale, whose previous HBO credits include "Dealing Dogs" and "Bellevue: Inside Out."

HACKING DEMOCRACY was directed by Simon Ardizzone and Russell Michaels; produced by Simon Ardizzone, Robert Carrillo Cohen and Russell Michaels; executive producers, Earl Katz, Sarah Teale and Sian Edwards; edited by Sasha Zik. For HBO: supervising producer, John Hoffman; executive producer, Sheila Nevins.