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Some Auto/SuperAuto questions

Only Ornamental

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I do have a few questions and am looking forward having a nice discussion...

SuperAuto x Auto = ???

I was just wondering if the autoflowering trait of 'Autos' and 'SuperAutos' were the same. If yes, what sort of autoflowering would result from a cross between the two (is one dominant over the other)?

SuperAuto = Super Auto, late Auto or potent Finola?
While discussing Finola, Sam_Skunkman stated that it is no Auto because of its rather late flowering onset. But Finola does not need a photoperiode to start flowering and AFAIK behaves pretty much like a SuperAutos in terms of when it starts flowering, how long it grows, how big it gets, and when it finishes. So I figured that maybe, just maybe, SuperAutos are 'only' crosses with Finola or a similar variety... Or Autos and SuperAutos are like 'sativas' and 'indicas', respectively; kind of one just finishes later than the other (hope you know what I mean).
What do you think? Does anyone know which 'Rudies' were used to breed SuperAutos?

Genetics behind Autos/SuperAutos?
I thought to remember that someone said that Autos/SuperAutos can be triggered to flower photoperiodically too... I guess that can't readily be tested with Autos but maybe with SuperAutos grown at 12/12 from seeds...
Has anyone infos on or experience with that?
I mean, if the autoflowering trait would be a separate 'thing' to the photoperiode 'switch' and not a different allele on the same genetic locus and if there were autos without any 'photoperiodical response', it would eventually be possible to breed a plant with neither photoperiode nor autoflowering (never heard of that, but still). Sounds stupid to grow a plant which never flowers, I know, but it's just about the theory :D .

[EDIT]Trigger for flowering: size, age, or both?
Forgot to add my fourth question...
What triggers flowering in Autos or SuperAutos? I read of size or age as factor but haven't found anything reliable.
I know that some plants (not cannabis) react to one, the other, or both. Hence, all could be biologically possible. I think it's age related, because cloning is supposed to be impossible; if it were size related, a 'bonsai' plant would never flower and clones would work because they are always small. My line of thoughts was: If it's age related, maybe there's a known hormone regulating this and when there's a hormone, then there's also an 'anti-hormone' to delay/suppress flower onset. And then, with a little chemistry, cloning would become possible.[/EDIT]
 
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Koondense

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Hi!

For the first question, go check this thread.
There's some info about crossing a superauto with a PurpleMazar, which is not superauto.

About the second one, I guess autoflowering means being able to flower under 18/6 period, said that, the Finola classifies as an autoflowering variety.
The breeder of feminised superauto varieties, Stitch(Flash seeds, ShortStuff, ..) said he used some wild growing ruderalis variety from the Hungarian/Romanian border, worked with it and produced a so called Stitch#0.1 superauto base, with which he crosses the sativas, to get a superauto sativa flowering under 18 hours of light.

I think the term "super" is added because a longer veg stage, so the plant gets much bigger than regular autos, not really ideal for indoor growing, but I have seen some really good results indoor.

Here's a bud mine outdoors last year(Chaze - haze pheno)


Hope this helps:)
 

Only Ornamental

Spiritually inspired agnostic mad scientist
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Thanks Koondense!
Though, I've read that thread before but sadly we'll never know how it really went; see last post by Paulo73 *sniff*.
On the contrary, the 'Stitch' helps LoL.
 

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