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Soils made by humans

Douglas.Curtis

Autistic Diplomat in Training
Bio-char, created the old polluting way. :)

Carbon is vital for healthy soil and proper nutrient exchange. Super amazing stuff. :)
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
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The clay pottery in the soil tells me they probably were dumping their waste there. Nitrogen. If a human only eats Veggies, does the shit draw flies like meat-eating animals shit does?

I have that yellow clay soil in spots. It is like 100% negative ion. The clay gets improved with positiv3 ions attaching to the negative carriers, making the bonds soions can be migrated to th3 roots. This is just my interpretation of what I read, but I am experimenting with it.

Cotton gins pile the seed hulls and waste. The piles get hot from organic activity, and organic juice oozes into the clay dirt the stuff was piled onto. It makes th3 clay soil-like because the bonds nave changed. Humic and fulvic acid?

I am letting a local tree guy dump his wood chips and letting microbes and fungus break them down. When I started I dumped a ton of urea fertilizer on the pile. I made a 5 gallon batch of the microbes I use for growing. We toss mushrooms we find on the pile. It gets hot, really hot, from microbe activity. Inside the wood had broken down to black mush with veins of white from fungus. I dumped a layer on my garden and am letting the juice it makes soak in.

Cation Exchange Capacity is what is being improved as the clay loosens up the ion bond deal. They had clay as 3videnced by the pottery.

I hate apple btw.
 
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Plookerkingjon

Active member
The clay pottery in the soil tells me they probably were dumping their waste there. Nitrogen. If a human only eats Veggies, does the shit draw flies like meat-eating animals shit does?

I have that yellow clay soil in spots. It is like 100% negative ion. The clay gets improved with positiv3 ions attaching to the negative carriers, making the bonds soions can be migrated to th3 roots. This is just my interpretation of what I read, but I am experimenting with it.

Cotton gins pile the seed hulls and waste. The piles get hot from organic activity, and organic juice oozes into the clay dirt the stuff was piled onto. It makes th3 clay soil-like because the bonds nave changed. Humic and fulvic acid?

I am letting a local tree guy dump his wood chips and letting microbes and fungus break them down. When I started I dumped a ton of urea fertilizer on the pile. I made a 5 gallon batch of the microbes I use for growing. We toss mushrooms we find on the pile. It gets hot, really hot, from microbe activity. Inside the wood had broken down to black mush with veins of white from fungus. I dumped a layer on my garden and am letting the juice it makes soak in.

Cation Exchange Capacity is what is being improved as the clay loosens up the ion bond deal. They had clay as 3videnced by the pottery.

I hate apple btw.
Isn't it ironic that that area you can tell that the people that were farming that area were select farming for Brazil nut manioc I think Maniac I might be wrong about that but these trees like breadfruit and what's the one that tastes like custard there's a vanilla but there's a I'm so inept when it comes to knowing the subtropical and tropical tree species that would feed them but looking at a complete s*** hole for growing anything decent being turned into a man-made rainforest that literally breathes for our planet the lungs of our planet one of the best things I've seen are species do that is now being destroyed at a level that makes me want to f****** cry because you know damn well when they pull all that cattle and that soybean with their mono crop b******* all they're going to do is have to move on and it's watching these and reading and looking into this process that they made terupreta with it they didn't burn hot they didn't do like forest fire type Burns they did slow smolder Burns it's just a lot there and I think a lot can be gleaned from society nowadays for people that honestly care about what we're going to leave for our future generations and see if there's anything we can do to make our country self-sufficient, I mean the handbook and everything we need is sitting right below our International borders staring at us going hello and think of all the land we have in America that if we went in and God forbid it where whatever type of site super fun site obviously not but anything less than that they can be remediated brought back all of the space think of all the places in Detroit that are just run down f****** urban sprawl that could be pulled up ripped out and planted just me thinking out loud
 

Plookerkingjon

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The clay pottery in the soil tells me they probably were dumping their waste there. Nitrogen. If a human only eats Veggies, does the shit draw flies like meat-eating animals shit does?

I have that yellow clay soil in spots. It is like 100% negative ion. The clay gets improved with positiv3 ions attaching to the negative carriers, making the bonds soions can be migrated to th3 roots. This is just my interpretation of what I read, but I am experimenting with it.

Cotton gins pile the seed hulls and waste. The piles get hot from organic activity, and organic juice oozes into the clay dirt the stuff was piled onto. It makes th3 clay soil-like because the bonds nave changed. Humic and fulvic acid?

I am letting a local tree guy dump his wood chips and letting microbes and fungus break them down. When I started I dumped a ton of urea fertilizer on the pile. I made a 5 gallon batch of the microbes I use for growing. We toss mushrooms we find on the pile. It gets hot, really hot, from microbe activity. Inside the wood had broken down to black mush with veins of white from fungus. I dumped a layer on my garden and am letting the juice it makes soak in.

Cation Exchange Capacity is what is being improved as the clay loosens up the ion bond deal. They had clay as 3videnced by the pottery.

I hate apple btw.
We used to have a university Professor come I did an internship down in South Jersey and Richard Stockton State College I got a degree from in urban forestry but while I was there I was doing internships one of the guys was a guy named Mickey that worked for the state of New Jersey as an arborist and I would go around and he taught me how to do core samples and trees his son was microbiologist and a soil analysis specialist I don't know the proper vernacular back in the day he had a fancy ass term that he got from Rutgers and he used to go to all of the tree trimmers wood piles and take soil samples from underneath their chip mat the tree tree chip mat and the wood mat turns out all of these soils and like you describe in your post are living breathing organisms just like we are that require a certain set of how do I say this a certain set of environmental factors to be in place for them to thrive I can only imagine if diligent arborists for example took those wood chips and then covered them with clean cardboard and then redid another layer and just let that s*** go for 10 20 30 years can you imagine?
 

Plookerkingjon

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I just had a cup of coffee and I'm a little tangential I got to get this out now so it's sort of like out there and I can just say it so it's off my chest I understand why some people want to grow the way they do and they go and they buy nutrients and salt base nutrients in stores it just breaks my heart that all they really need to do is collect leaves from Oaks and Maples and hardwoods in our area mulch them down with a mulching lawn mower covering them and letting them sit and all the nutrient based they'd ever need for their Gardens and it just you know it reminds me of that old Tootsie Roll commercial whatever it is I think I see becomes a Tootsie Roll to Me, when I came upon the epiphany of how easy it was to supply my Gardens with homemade fertilizers and nutrients that were shown to me by m************ nature of all things I am waiting patiently for my species to realize how many things are right in front of them they just need to put a device down or pay attention to what is there rather than what's distracting them that's going on in their head or whatever the case may be
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
I have read the oak tree isn’t the best, and that pine may not be so bad. I am not accepting pine though.

I have an old bucket from a big heavy front-end loader that I want to use to make biochar in. I think toss in tree branches, set them ablaze, then pile the wood chips on top to smother down the fire. Dump it on the chip pile and stir it up.

I still think the human waste from all those people was part of the formula, thus the broken pottery in the terra preta.
 

Plookerkingjon

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I have read the oak tree isn’t the best, and that pine may not be so bad. I am not accepting pine though.

I have an old bucket from a big heavy front-end loader that I want to use to make biochar in. I think toss in tree branches, set them ablaze, then pile the wood chips on top to smother down the fire. Dump it on the chip pile and stir it up.

I still think the human waste from all those people was part of the formula, thus the broken pottery in the terra preta.
No they actually say right in one of the videos towards the end of it that they've already determined that human waste was used but they did it in a way where and I'm wondering if that might be why they can't find that microbial life that they found in Terra Prada isn't found in any other soils in the same area it's a unique microbial mat
 

Plookerkingjon

Active member
I just had a cup of coffee and I'm a little tangential I got to get this out now so it's sort of like out there and I can just say it so it's off my chest I understand why some people want to grow the way they do and they go and they buy nutrients and salt base nutrients in stores it just breaks my heart that all they really need to do is collect leaves from Oaks and Maples and hardwoods in our area mulch them down with a mulching lawn mower covering them and letting them sit and all the nutrient based they'd ever need for their Gardens and it just you know it reminds me of that old Tootsie Roll commercial whatever it is I think I see becomes a Tootsie Roll to Me, when I came upon the epiphany of how easy it was to supply my Gardens with homemade fertilizers and nutrients that were shown to me by m************ nature of all things I am waiting patiently for my species to realize how many things are right in front of them they just need to put a device down or pay attention to what is there rather than what's distracting them that's going on in their head or whatever the case may be
But I digress I reach out to try and find friendships through the internet because the ones in person become very disingenuous when you realize the person that you're talking to cares more about apps and posts and staring in a mirror for example. I'm wondering if growing up playing with Matchbox cars breaking popsicle sticks and half to make roads in the dirt with them and probably eating a pound of dirt from the time that I was 6 years old the time that I was I don't know 11:12 maybe even more considered in high school sports I'm convinced that did me Justice eating dirt
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
I think inoculating the pile was key in breaking down the wood chips.

Matter is conserved. It may change, as in hydrogen burns in oxygen and makes water, but the atoms remain. Green leaves and grass have mg in the chlorophyll, needed to make the next green leaves.

Don’t have know on hot summer days when there was no wind, that place must have stunk.

So European germs killed off the natives. Nice. Must have been a real scene of despair as things suddenly went bad.
 

Plookerkingjon

Active member
I might be a douchebag for saying this but I'm wondering if one population being in one part of the world going through whatever you know colds flus whatever the case may be viruses bringing it to another part that had never been exposed to it before, I don't even want to think about what would happen to our species if something nasty broke off from a planet or another galaxy and hit the earth that we had no answer for for lack of a better analogy
 

Plookerkingjon

Active member
So European germs killed off the natives. Nice. Must have been a real scene of despair as things suddenly went bad.

I've been told that because I had chickenpox as a kid that later in life I might be susceptible to shingles, had any issues never been exposed other than seeing a friend of mine at the doctor's office who had it and I wouldn't wish that s*** on my worst enemy oh my Lord
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
The dead people might also be part of the terra preta. Maybe they burned them first. As wet as that land is, they didn’t bury them.
 

Douglas.Curtis

Autistic Diplomat in Training
The clay pottery in the soil tells me they probably were dumping their waste there. Nitrogen. If a human only eats Veggies, does the shit draw flies like meat-eating animals shit does?
Cows eating 100% grass produce plenty of flies... they thrive on animal waste.

The slow burn with restricted oxygen is where the quality carbon structures come from. The micropore structure is amazingly complex.

Burning a pit of 'stuff' produces much lower yeild and quality with all the oxygen available(while also being much more polluting to the environment), though it will definitely work better than nothing. You end up with a lot of ash and residuals you do not find in quality bio-char.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
Cows eating 100% grass produce plenty of flies... they thrive on animal waste.

I have too many flies in the house.

I'm trying to figure out if they can lay their eggs in Bird Manure, or if they require something with more energy, like the bird's food.

I rarely see any Maggots - baby flies - but all those flies ... the Maggots are starting somewhere.
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor

Watered down version…

I believe the human and animal waste was recycled, as were the bodies. I read recently that some people want to be composted. Better than incineration, I suppose.
 

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