Soil/Scrog & Flushing question

[paranoidnz]

Hi guys, just about to put a scrogg net up in a week,
but I have a question that I cant find a answer to.


Once I put the scrogg net up, everything is stuck in place.
when it comes to flushing, how am I supposed to put 15 gals of water through my pots? (using 5 gal pots and just standard pot holders? is there some sort of trick.


one more question, when it comes to ppm,
when I check water from tap it comes out at 150 ppm,
I read somewhere that im aiming for 400ppm, (plants are only about 4-5 weeks atm)
so do I only increase it by 250 ppm?
or do I add 150 ppm base + the 400 ppm taking it to 550 ppm.


do I count calmag/seaweed extract and molasses into this factor?
or do I get my required ppm, then add the extras? taking it even higher,
reason why I ask is
I got my tap water @ 150, added in 400 ppm on top of that taking it to 550 then put in molasses, seaweed extract and cal mag.
next day my new growth was all twisted and very dreadful looking,
have since flushed x2, when I checked the ppm/ph of the runoff it had a ppm of 1600, but I kinda told myself it was the soil particles making it that high...... not sure if that new growth is going to make it, they seemed stunted, still a neon green and just awful looking


any pointers tips anyone?

 

[who dat is]

Maybe not the answer you are hoping for but,

I think you are overthinking it too much. Remember the acronym K.I.S.S. - Keep it simple, stupid. That's not a slight against you either, I try to keep things as simple as possible at all times, less to go wrong that way. Instead of worrying about flushing I would focus on getting your plants happy now so that they can perform as they should. Instead of loading the soil up with too many nutrients that the plant can hardly use then focus on feeding the plants what they want, need, and can use. When harvest time is on the horizon simply quit feeding them and just give them water so that they will use up any of the remaining nutrients in the soil so that at chop time they have used up everything. It's good to see them yellow up and start dropping fan leaves towards the end.

Looking forward after this round too I would encourage you to read up on and pursue organic growing methods. Then you won't have to be nearly concerned with ppms, ec, pH, etc. Then your focus can shift to just giving the plants what they will need and you let the beneficial microbes and fungi in your soil carry out their natural symbiotic relationships with the cannabis plant.

 

[paranoidnz]

Heya Who dat is, thanks for the reply,
your right, keeping it simple is definitely the best advice, theres only one thing better then a hard days work, a paid sick day off,
but I feel I need to know what is correct to ensure I aint doing it the hard way

so flushing isn't required? just a slow reduction of nutes starting on the 5th week, and the last 2 weeks just plain water?

I like that idea

 

[who dat is]

I don't know about a slowed reduction. You could probably keep them full strength and then cut it off for the last two weeks of flower. What medium are you growing in? coco? What other nutrients are you using? Hopefully a hydro or coco guy will chime in here but I would think that a safe loose guideline to go by.

 

[who dat is]

Nevermind @ my "What medium?" question after seeing the thread title again.

 

[Easy7]

First off on flushing it's not running water through the soil to rinse it void of nutrients. Flushing is a period that is not required for smooth smoking organic herb. Is required for chems. If I were growing with chems it's good to just give a watering here and there.

Flushing is a period up to 3 weeks of simply giving water. Allowing the soil chemistry to mellow out and be absorbed by the plant. I considered very weak feedings to be like a flush. Kelp meal or castings tea's aren't going to add a great deal of NPK.

 

[ICELAND-DREAM]

See I'm going to be honest with you. I am currently checking PH ec ppm's etc.. And would want nothing more than to just Chuck it all and start organic growing. But.... Every single time I begin to research simple KISS methods on the subject I get inundated with tons of info and conflicting methods. Please refer me to a "simple" source. Thank you. (ps. I have a decent amount of growing experience so it's not that) lol

 

[Easy7]

Try growing organic plants that you're not as excited about. I go super cheapo organic methods with the veggies. As long as the fruits come in and are ok there's no problems. Not all bud needs to be a picture perfect plant. As long as the nugs are ok it's a good start.

 

[packerfan79]

You flush your plants, not the medium. 400 ppms is pretty low depending on what you are using for light. I would like to see 600 to 700. Some people go crazy high like 1300 or more not nessesary.all the flush products are just sugar water. Glucose or sucrose = sugar read the label. 1 week of straight PhD water is fine. No need to swamp the pots.

 

[paranoidnz]

Hi guys, me again, new question, but kinda the same question.
I am planning on flipping this weekend
was doing 16/8
have a slow count down 15/9 for a day 14/10 etc until I get to 12/12
then will do a full 24 hr dark,
I have a question, I made 25 clones for funsies about 3 weeks ago, all rooted,
had planned all these wonderful experiments which would make weedkind a better place to be. But im all of a sudden lazy and will just flower them with the rest,
just wondering how large they will grow and if it would be better to veg them for a bit longer.
they range between 6-12 cm,

 

[Levitationofme]

Hi guys, just about to put a scrogg net up in a week,
but I have a question that I cant find a answer to.


Once I put the scrogg net up, everything is stuck in place.
when it comes to flushing, how am I supposed to put 15 gals of water through my pots? (using 5 gal pots and just standard pot holders? is there some sort of trick.


one more question, when it comes to ppm,
when I check water from tap it comes out at 150 ppm,
I read somewhere that im aiming for 400ppm, (plants are only about 4-5 weeks atm)
so do I only increase it by 250 ppm?
or do I add 150 ppm base + the 400 ppm taking it to 550 ppm.


do I count calmag/seaweed extract and molasses into this factor?
or do I get my required ppm, then add the extras? taking it even higher,
reason why I ask is
I got my tap water @ 150, added in 400 ppm on top of that taking it to 550 then put in molasses, seaweed extract and cal mag.
next day my new growth was all twisted and very dreadful looking,
have since flushed x2, when I checked the ppm/ph of the runoff it had a ppm of 1600, but I kinda told myself it was the soil particles making it that high...... not sure if that new growth is going to make it, they seemed stunted, still a neon green and just awful looking


any pointers tips anyone?

What type of soil are you using? Are you starting with a commercial soil like Happy Frog or mixing up your own?

What methods did you grow in before using soil?

 

[Levitationofme]

See I'm going to be honest with you. I am currently checking PH ec ppm's etc.. And would want nothing more than to just Chuck it all and start organic growing. But.... Every single time I begin to research simple KISS methods on the subject I get inundated with tons of info and conflicting methods. Please refer me to a "simple" source. Thank you. (ps. I have a decent amount of growing experience so it's not that) lol

The problem is there are lots of conflicting methods that work.

 

[paranoidnz]

Hiya Levi

I couldnt get my hands on the good stuff, so i made a home mix of
Pumice, potting soil, vege soil, worm castings, organic compost, nothing super great, but seems to be going okay.
I have never grown before so have made quite a few mistakes.

On a up note, out of all the plants ive thrown down only 1 male.
so im excited about that, Looking forward to making a whole bunch of seeds with the little clones i made.

Next run i will be doing 9-12 plant nft, with 2 extras in soil, gonna try mainlining, scrog

I am enjoying the science of this

 

[Levitationofme]

Sounds like a solid start for the dirt.
Quality soil is definitely a big deal, but not difficult to do.

I am having a great time as well. Im not being very scientific is some ways.
But I am trying to understand. Not a whole lot of scientific method going on here.

I have managed to bring things into a balance. I removed reasons for failure by starting with a solid light proof chamber with good ventilation. Added the best quality light I could afford, so I cant blame that. I got R/O filter, can't blame the water. I tried hand watering in coco, DWC and now dirt.

Im going with soil as I like the pace and as I learn about soil ill keep making better ones.
Also it's recommended by the guy I get my seeds from. Now that I reduced the reasons for failure, it's down to ME. LOL

You might not need to feed a whole lot in the beginning, your soil probably has a decent charge. It shouldn't need Cal/Mag. The Molasses and Kelp juice sounds good. Grow those
microbes.

What nutrients will you use when you need to feed?
I am using an Organic line now. Lots of calcium. Not Salt based

 

[paranoidnz]

Heya Levi, how did you find DWC? I would love to give that a try, but im thinking its a bit advanced atm for me. But the growth looks insane, of course im only seeing ones that have made it to a spot where they want to show it off etc.
When I do finally make the switch to some sort of hydro set up ill ensure I keep a bit of space in my tent to throw down a couple in soil just in case, it seems the soil has let me get away with minor penaltys with all the mistakes ive made on them.
Plus I think ill need quite a few grows in soil to actually say I know what im doing in soil.

as for the nutrients im using

for veg its just a hydro shop mix.
Power grow A+B in powder form (was cheaper to mix up myself)

flow its Flora Nova Bloom, Flair form Bud storm

and flairform CMX
this sea kelp thing and molasses,
I did find when I use the molasses my leaves would get all weird looking and stunted.
not sure if it was molasses fault, but I haven't used that in a few weeks and im at the stage where I don't want to risk it again

no actual reasons why them, they looked good and were a decent price, I don't know anyone that grows so im just doing basic research what they need and try to follow advice,

day 10 in flower, sites are developing, but they don't seem to be stretching, is it a slow thing? from what I read I thought they "Exploded with growth" during this time