SOG with seeds ,commercial grow

[atmosphere]

You don't have to use clones to get high yields from a SOG !

How to SOG with seeds ,and do it in a short time ?

-An Indica/Sativa (about 50/50 ) strain , best to choose is an F1 hybride.

-Dont use a veg-period , but put them on 12/12 from the start

-One large container for all plants , never have to repot (minimizes stress)

This way you can go from seed to harvest in about 11 weeks , and have great yields . You won't ever need to keep moms and root cuttings. What you do need are decent seeds that are as stable as possible . This method has a lot of advantages.

critisism and questions are very welcome !

 

[Guest]

Some years ago I used to do a seed sog....

but I vegged for 4 weeks or so....

and used individual containers...

Of course now and then you could move them around so some werent being shaded...

ONe container.... you will have empty spots from removing males...

and smaller females being shaded.....

Its not something I would consider....

Maybe a good plan would be to use containers till they sex....

then put them in big dirt....

 

[atmosphere]

On a good quality soil and good conditions you almost always get more females from your seeds . And when you start with enough seeds ( about 50 on a square meter ) open spots won't become a problem . Males will be removed when they are only about 5 inches tall !! after 2 to 3 weeks from the start.




a removed male , only 2 weeks old ( most of the time it takes 3 weeks to show sex)


Your plants will be just this big when they show sex :


why should you veg ?? they become tall enough anyway .

Important is that they recieve strong light from day 1 (immediately after they break the surface) . Confront them with for instance a 600 watt HPS at 20 inches distance . as long as the air around them keep smoving they can handle this very well .

 

[Guest]

Hi

I like this idea. I have read your posts on the other long thread.

I might try this method next time.

I have a 400W HPS light. I'd like to optimize light on my grow tray, which is 56x56cm square and 18cm deep, with a drain. I'd prefer to use individual pots. I can put 16 square pots(13x13cm) in this tray. Assuming a 50/50 m/f ratio I will get 8 females.

If so, what size pots should I finish 8 plants in? I know it's strain related to some degree, but any guidance on that question? I'd like to grow something like C99.

Or put simply, I want to contain my grow in that 56x56cm tray. What would be the sequence of pot sizes? How would you utilize this size tray, using individual pots?

Are feminized strains stable enough for this 12/12 method of growing? That would make things much simpler in some respects, wouldn't it?

 

[thc43]

im hunting for a good male fast will try the same style of grow with recently cracked beans. 12/12 after about 1 week from germ.

good luck AtMo

 

[atmosphere]

Just use the maximum potsize possible to do the last part of your 8 plant grow in .

feminized seeds would make it possible to start with the biggest pots right away, or even better fill the whole tray with one large amount of soil allowing the roots to go far sideway's . Cannabis roots like to go sideway's ,the root mass of a seedplant outside is wider than deep .
8 plants seems like a good idea in your available space .

Feminized seeds are not always reliable ,you might grow hermies more easy.

 

[atmosphere]

you can outyield a clone SOG by using seeds in a certain manner , thats basicly what i want to say here .

 

[EasyBakeIndica]

I'll bite. How bout some more pictures?
I'm interested in using this method to find some more mommas.

 

[Propoline]

Is it possible to SOG with a 150 hps, or is light penetration to low.Grow area will be 1.5x1.5ft (2.2sft) x 3ft high.Or would be SCROG better?

 

[pico]

You know, I think I might give this a try in one of my beds. I have a few thousand seeds from a recent cross I need to test anyways.

So plant the seeds directly under 12/12 light? Or should I let them sprout in a rooting cube then put them in the 12/12 beds?

 

[Guest]

the issue i see with this is if you're not growing seeds with only one phenotype then you're going to have some plants taller and some shorter, kinda taking away the flat consistent profile advantage of SOG grows. Personally, I'd do it in small individual containers so as not to shock the roots of females when yanking out males.

I think one of the big reasons people love SOG grows is the quick turnaround time. 11 weeks is almost 1-1/2 times the normal cycle of many SOG growers growing quick indicas.

 

[Guest]

You cannot TOUCH the yield from cloning with a seed "sog",think about what you're saying bro.I've stopped growing for awhile,but for the last six years I havent had an empty spot in my flower room doing perpetual cloning not using moms.I don't see any problems with what your doing,I just dont want folks to think it could come close to a dialed in perpetual cloning grow,theres no way Jose.....You may believe you can get more harvests with no veg time resulting in more yield but its just not to work out that way.I get awful close to 2 lbs per 1K every 120 days and you cant do that with seeds,no way possible on this earth

 

[highonthechroni]

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[Brother_Monk]

you can outyield a clone SOG by using seeds in a certain manner , thats basicly what i want to say here .

You can say whatever you like, dosen't mean it is true. You are gunna hafta prove this one. What is the "certain manner" to use seeds, that you are speaking of? Special tips or tricks you will be implimenting? Be specific, your generalizing here will only confuse folks and cause a flame fest I'm afraid. Because there are some heavy weight clones that will out perform any hybrid vigor seed runs.

Which strain will you be running for this show?