So you want to make autoflower strain seeds?

[boho]

There is a lot to be said about taking your time and doing the trail an error, willing to throw away a batch because your standard was higher.

This method is for the person who just wants to try out autoflower seed of their favorite seed without paying to much in cash or time. A common man's guide.

Stage 1 - you have to procure AF stock there is no way around this.
The assumption is you get regular (Males/Females) AF seed stock
Procure feminizing base CS spray, STS, GA, etc

Stage 2 - take your favorite female and pollinate her with your AF male
I would also create more stock of your AF seeds in-case of failure.

Your Favorite Stain AF recessive F1 seed

Stage 3 - Germinate these seeds and do a normal cross between the two to generate your F2 selection stock. These will probably be normal photoperiods, so 12/12 to make seed.

You now have stock that should mostly show AFs. Now to create a production line you can do a short cut. You forfeit selection however.

Stage 4 - [shortcut] Spray Feminized stock on the immature plants after germinating around week 3 or so. You will probably spray males and females because you just don't know what the sex are but this will save you a couple cycles of seed/harvesting. After you pollinate a female with your reversed female AF female you have your production stock.

Production stock AF feminized seed. Ready for the testing and done in only 3 runs.

I saw many misquoting the time it would take if someone was just trying to produce AF strains seed with their favorite clones. I would personally recommend taking the time to do selections and crosses until you get what you need. But this is the hack, despite the contrary opinions it does produce viable seed that has the same issues any other method I've seen.

Qs? Statements? Insults?

 

[midowo]

This is how everyone should do it, but not everyone has the room to do these kind of trial grows and it takes time!
I prefer to get a well established autoflower strain and make some feminized seeds with colloidal silver, but in this way you cant get new phenotype and new tastes.

 

[-~Wind Walker~-]

There is a lot to be said about taking your time and doing the trail an error, willing to throw away a batch because your standard was higher.

This method is for the person who just wants to try out autoflower seed of their favorite seed without paying to much in cash or time. A common man's guide.

Stage 1 - you have to procure AF stock there is no way around this.
The assumption is you get regular (Males/Females) AF seed stock
Procure feminizing base CS spray, STS, GA, etc

Stage 2 - take your favorite female and pollinate her with your AF male
I would also create more stock of your AF seeds in-case of failure.

Your Favorite Stain AF recessive F1 seed

Stage 3 - Germinate these seeds and do a normal cross between the two to generate your F2 selection stock. These will probably be normal photoperiods, so 12/12 to make seed.

You now have stock that should mostly show AFs. Now to create a production line you can do a short cut. You forfeit selection however.

Stage 4 - [shortcut] Spray Feminized stock on the immature plants after germinating around week 3 or so. You will probably spray males and females because you just don't know what the sex are but this will save you a couple cycles of seed/harvesting. After you pollinate a female with your reversed female AF female you have your production stock.

Production stock AF feminized seed. Ready for the testing and done in only 3 runs.

I saw many misquoting the time it would take if someone was just trying to produce AF strains seed with their favorite clones. I would personally recommend taking the time to do selections and crosses until you get what you need. But this is the hack, despite the contrary opinions it does produce viable seed that has the same issues any other method I've seen.

Qs? Statements? Insults?

Insult: Your avatar is way to green!

Welcome to IC
-~WW~-

 

[Desert Dan]

I am not sure if I understand what this is supposed to be a guide to... Is it

1) A guide for producing your own seed supply of your favorite autoflowering strain?

or

2) A guide for creating your own autoflowering strain from your favorite photoperiod strain?

If 1, then the process is quite simple and one could create enough seed for multiple runs in a matter or weeks. Whether you use a male or reverse a female does not matter. I do not see why this would take multiple generations unless you are trying to isolate a specific phenotype.

If 2, then prepare to be in for the long haul... Speaking from experience I can say that the numbers rarely play out the way you would expect them to on paper.

Example) SFV OG clone x autoflower male = AutoOG F1
-AutoOG F1 will not auto but carries the recessive autoflowering trait. AA x aa = 100% Aa distribution

-AutoOG F1 x AutoOG F1 = AutoOG F2
-AutoOG F2 should in theory present with 25% of the population expressing the autoflowering trait. Aa x Aa = 25% aa, 50% Aa, 25% AA

-AutoOG F2 (Auto female) x AutoOG F2 (Auto male) = AutoOG F3
-AutoOG F3 should be 100% autoflowering, as aa x aa = aa

This is how it should play out in theory, however just because you pop 100 AutoOG F2 beans does not mean you will get 25 plants that will express the autoflower trait. In my experience it well be about half that number after you cull the less desirable plants.

Moral of the story?
-Creating F2's of your favorite auto seedline = EASY!
-Creating your own auto from your favorite clone = Pain in the ASS!

Rant Over...

DD

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Interesting.

Doing the exact same thing right now... only I'm working with early-flowering instead of auto-flowering.

The plan (in the next 4-5 years) is to cross early-flowering genes into Princess Diesel F2's and stabilize them.

With a bit of luck... I'll have tens of thousands of seeds to distribute to the nice people of colorado. Free seeds anyone? LOL

I'm prepared, the opportunity has presented itself... luck need not apply.

Stay Safe!

 

[boho]

Thank your discussion.

Moral of the story?
-Creating F2's of your favorite auto seedline = EASY!
-Creating your own auto from your favorite clone = Pain in the ASS!

Thank you, but I would ask you did you use a feminized solution and/or do selection [breeding]?
The goal with this particular route is to remove the pain that goes with actually trying to "breed" for a particular trait and produce re-usable seed that is stable, reliable, and AF. Taking shortcuts and trusting in the genetics, again it's a hack.

Insult: Your avatar is way to green!

Now it feels like home, thank you.

Doing the exact same thing right now... only I'm working with early-flowering instead of auto-flowering.

I read some of your posts regarding this and actually was going to go all out and have some outdoor quick monsters. Even procured Top 44 and was in process when I got too paranoid over rippers even with all the plans I had in mind. I'm legal mind you but I couldn't get past the idea of the smell and also I would have to setup a [secure] kennel/grow area that would just stick out to any would be ripper. We just have too many stupid kids around here, too many crack heads to chance it when I have people relying on me for their meds.
That being said, I'm really interested in what your conclusion with the early flowers will be. I will be lurking in your threads for certain. As for your extra seed, I'm sure you had seen the seed ball thread.

 

[Desert Dan]

I do not understand your thought process whatsoever... Are you calling me a hack? I wish you the best! LOL

DD

 

[boho]

I do not understand your thought process whatsoever... Are you calling me a hack? I wish you the best! LOL

DD

No, calling myself a hack and this method.

The shortcut is your not actually "breeding" persay then just being a pollen chucker, a genetic tosser, etc.


I'm going to give an example perhaps this will help, using strains that most people know the names of.

Stage 1 - Get Lowryder #2 Regular seeds [an 8 week seed-weed strain], CS/STS, and your favorite strain we will say Trainwreck [a 8 flowering week strain]

Stage 2 - Germinate your Lowryder #2 under 24 hours light, stick your Trainwreck in 12/12 at the same time.
- Pollinate Lowryder #2 with Trainwreck the male AF to female non-af
- Grow out, harvest seed as normal (5 weeks from pollination)


Stage 3 Germinate that cross of LR#2 x TW with the intent of making F2 population. This F1 cross will be regular photoperiod dominate so 12/12 photoperiod for all
- Grow out, harvest seed as normal (5 weeks from pollination)

Stage 4 Germinate LR#2 x TW F2 and Spray Feminized solution on your up coming seeds. Remove the males and let pollinate. Harvest these seeds which was your goal.

These seeds are now LR#2 x TW AF strain that is feminized. It will have a stable pattern and could use in production right away.

In rolling the dice we can assume this will be shorter, take on a pattern similar to LR#2 with a bit longer seed-to-weed time. The recessive expression may pop up and really give you a hassle. That is why I mentioned in the first post if your low on seed etc, it would be good to just make a F2 of your AF strain for future needs.

I hope that helps, if not let me know what part I could explain better.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

So... working with Brickland,

Seeds sprouted under 24/0 and vegged under 24/0.

Pollen kept from males that auto-flower. Bud kept from females that autoflower.

Pollen will be kept from males that do not autoflower under 24/0 and used to make F2's with females that don't autoflower. Seed stock kept for later use.

At this point, would it be better to CS a few females and make some femmed stock of the females that don't auto-flower? In my limited thinking it should produce fems that are the same... photo sensitivity or non-sensitivity as well, no?

Cross Princess Diesel (photo strain) female to Brickland Male that doesn't flower under 24/0? Cross Female Brickland that doesn't auto to male Princess Diesel?? Cross both? Fem the Princess diesel and pollinate the Brickland or vice versa?

LOL So many options...

Stay Safe!

 

[sith44]

Great info! Thanks!

 

[Desert Dan]

So... working with Brickland,

Seeds sprouted under 24/0 and vegged under 24/0.

Pollen kept from males that auto-flower. Bud kept from females that autoflower.

Pollen will be kept from males that do not autoflower under 24/0 and used to make F2's with females that don't autoflower. Seed stock kept for later use.

At this point, would it be better to CS a few females and make some femmed stock of the females that don't auto-flower? In my limited thinking it should produce fems that are the same... photo sensitivity or non-sensitivity as well, no?

Cross Princess Diesel (photo strain) female to Brickland Male that doesn't flower under 24/0? Cross Female Brickland that doesn't auto to male Princess Diesel?? Cross both? Fem the Princess diesel and pollinate the Brickland or vice versa?

LOL So many options...

Stay Safe!

IMO pollen is far too sneaky to have any around that you do not want to use... My advice would be to keep all the females (auto and non-auto) and only use 1 male (or several as long as they are expressing the desired trait ie autoflowering).

Also femming a autoflower f1 is a mixed bag as the genes will be heterozygous.

Example) Aa x Aa = 25% auto, 25% non auto, and 50% non auto but carriers for the autoflower gene.

Hope that helps...
DD

 

[Hydro-Soil]

It does, thanks

Stay Safe!

 

[Cobraa]

Is anyone able to give a good link to CS? I also want to know if using RO is acceptable as opposed to Distilled or De-ionize water? i bought some 500ppm, and diluted with ro.
i have been spraying the auto's and do not appear to be getting any male pods.

Thanks (sorry to bump an old thread).

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

You could just buy two regular auto strain seeds and cross them. It's very easy.

 

[Abider]

Confusing odd post.

'These will probably be normal photoperiods, so 12/12 to make seed.

You now have stock that should mostly show AFs.'

Wait, What?

For someone like me looking to simply make AF seed in a country where there are nos Sprays or potions to force Fem plants I'm left with good old hand pollination -I don't even know if it's that simple from your OP.

Please could you simplify your reasoning.

 

[aridbud]

Confusing odd post.

'These will probably be normal photoperiods, so 12/12 to make seed.

You now have stock that should mostly show AFs.'

Wait, What?

For someone like me looking to simply make AF seed in a country where there are nos Sprays or potions to force Fem plants I'm left with good old hand pollination -I don't even know if it's that simple from your OP.

Please could you simplify your reasoning.

Who are you asking? This post hard to follow.

Smokey summed it up pretty well. Regular auto seeds. One male to pollenate a female. Viola`! Seeds! There's more to it if wanting certain attributes, but in a nutshell, that's what you do.

 

[qzilla]

How works? semiauto/early X dieselryder hermadofrite lets find out next summer!

 

[BruceBanner]

From feminised seed
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=327055

 

[stoned-trout]

no ,,no I don't lol....yeehaw....I have yet to actually try any never mind make some myself...