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So you want to live in France

Hammerhead

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You better read up on there new proposed tax codes before you decide to do that.. Anyone that makes over 1m euros has a new proposed tax of 75% and anyone that makes over 150k euros is taxed at 45%..

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_ne...s-to-slap-rich-with-75-percent-super-tax?lite


PARIS - President Francois Hollande's Socialist government unveiled sharp tax hikes on business and the rich on Friday in a 2013 budget aimed at showing France has the fiscal rigour to remain at the core of the euro zone.

The package will recoup 30 billion euros ($39 billion) for the public purse with a goal of narrowing the deficit to 3.0 percent of national output next year from 4.5 percent this year - France's toughest single belt-tightening in 30 years.
But with record unemployment and a barrage of data pointing to economic stagnation, there are fears the deficit target will slip as France falls short of the modest 0.8 percent economic growth rate on which it is banking for next year.

The budget disappointed pro-reform lobbyists by merely freezing France's high public spending rather than daring to attack ministerial budgets as Spain did this week as it battles to avoid the conditions of an international bailout.



"This is a fighting budget to get the country back on the rails," Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said, adding that the 0.8 percent growth target was "realistic and ambitious".
"It is a budget which aims to bring back confidence and to break this spiral of debt that gets bigger and bigger."
With public debt at a post-war record of 91 percent of the economy, the budget is vital to France's credibility not only among euro zone partners but also in markets which for now are allowing it to borrow at record-low yields around two percent.
France's benchmark 3.0 percent 10-year bond was steady, yielding 2.18 percent after the announcement.
The government said the budget was the first in a series of steps to bring its deficit down to 0.3 percent of GDP by 2017 - slightly missing an earlier target of a zero deficit by then.
But early reactions were sceptical.

"The ambitions that were flagged are very audacious," said Philippe Waechter at Natixis asset management "I struggle to see how we'll find the growth needed in 2013 and afterwards."
Of the total 30 billion euros of savings, around 20 billion will come from tax increases on households and companies, with tax rises already approved this year to contribute some 4 billion euros to revenues in 2013. The freeze on spending will contribute around 10 billion euros.

"Sick" model
To the dismay of business leaders who fear an exodus of top talent, the government confirmed a temporary 75 percent super-tax rate for earnings over one million euros and a new 45 percent band for revenues over 150,000 euros.
Together, those two measures are predicted to bring in around half a billion euros. Higher tax rates on dividends and other investments, plus cuts to existing tax breaks are seen bringing in several billion more.
Business will be hit with measures including a cut in the amount of loan interest which is tax-deductible and the cutting of an existing tax break on capital gains from certain share sales - moves worth around four billion and two billion euros each.
"The government is impeding investment and so will block innovation Entrepreneurs Club head Guillaume Cairou said of the preference for raising taxes rather than cutting spending.
"France is sick because of the model it has ... but is choosing to preserve it."
Four months after he defeated Nicolas Sarkozy, Hollande's approval ratings are in free-fall as many French feel he has been slow to get to grips with the economic slow-down and unemployment at a 10-year high and rising.
Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici defended next year's growth target on French radio. But, highlighting the bet on growth underpinning the entire budget, he added that it was achievable "if Europe steadies".

Data on Friday confirmed France posted zero growth in the second quarter, marking nine months of stagnation, as a pickup in business investment and government spending was offset by a worsening trade balance and sluggish consumer expenditure.
Despite a rise in wages, consumers - traditionally the motor of France's growth - increased their savings to 16.4 percent of income from 16.0 percent a year earlier. In another setback, other data showed consumer spending dropped 0.8 percent in August
 

lost in a sea

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i live near enough to france to get all of the drawbacks and non of the benefits and i can definitely tell you that living there would not be something i would not want to do..
 
Z

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No, I don't want to live in France... never did!
It's not like I make $1.5+ either, but you should be able to live quite luxuriously on 25% of that anyway! Actually I live just fine off of 5% of that..
It's not an idea I disagree with except that governments waste the money on wars and banker bailouts instead of using it for the people (infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc)
 

DuskrayTroubador

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That's great news in my opinion. Though of course I'm sure many of my fellow Americans would disagree considering the relentlessness with which the corporations disseminate their capitalist gospel.

When will we conclude that the yachts and multi-story garages filled with Bugattis of hedge-fund managers and corporate CEOs are not so important as to be worthy of the destruction of the Earth that they cause and the widespread deprivation they cause?

Also, when will people realize that there's more to life than paper chasing?
 

Floridian

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Live in France?

Live in France?

Why would I want to live in a country where the talented are penalized so that the government can spend more?O wait a minute I have for 4 years now lol.High taxes never improved an economy
 

yesum

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The angry immigrants have a bonfire party every so often. Use cars for firewood.
 

Hammerhead

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Im not rich by any means but taking 750k out of every 1m I would not like that if it was me.. Im sure they will find a way not to pay that...

If that was here in the USA what would you say then...
 

dizzze

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Damn i would rather the rich choose how they want to invest there fortunes compared to the gov taking 75%, the gov. always seems to terribly mismanage funds. I Cant believe so many people in the states support shit like this.

Socialism doesn’t work, not even when American politicians and bureaucrats are running it. It inevitably produces crises, which are then used as the excuse for more government intervention. Moreover, it is inordinately expensive, as Americans have discovered with Medicare, much to their dismay.

Socialism basically turns into a war in which everyone is doing his best to get into everyone else’s pocketbook, while doing everything he can to protect his own pocketbook from being plundered.
 

FirstTracks

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So instead of getting a smaller percentage of taxes on 'the rich', France will get next to nothing once all these people at the top of the scale, who obviously can afford good accountants and lawyers, make sure to divert their earnings to some island or tiny country.

Since when did making 150k a year make you 'rich' and not upper-middle class? If someone has a family with multiple kids and is trying to send them to college, they're not really coming out that far ahead.

I guess you just donate anything over 149k to charities and sit in the lower bracket until you make enough to divert your earnings overseas
 

bombadil.360

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FirstTracks,

exactly, all that sort of law do is just create a new black-market or grey-area round-about way to keep that money out of that 75% tax, wow, crazy! 75%, why not just 85%? or 98%? fuck...

hehehe...
 

Tudo

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What about retirees? How serious are they about cannabis?
 

Floridian

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Whaaa lol.{My best simpsons}Well cannabis aside my attitude hasn't changed one little bit on this subject.When you penalize the brightest smartest hard working people in a society for being successful it will never lead to anything positive.Nothing about cuts,just spend spend spend.And don't ever forget to despise your rich neighbor for being successful!Very well put dizze
 

bombadil.360

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What about retirees? How serious are they about cannabis?


An American retiree in France? First time I have heard of such a thing. Unless you already have pretty good french, and are staying out of the big cities, it could be doable... where is Rosy Cheeks anyways? He can school us on the issue.
 

Tudo

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An American retiree in France? First time I have heard of such a thing. Unless you already have pretty good french, and are staying out of the big cities, it could be doable...



I did a little research and there's more Americans there than one would expect. The British are certainly there but depending on the strength of the franc or sterling, the retirees have gotten hammered in certain years. We would not be relying on any of that and as such don't care . Actually do care and if it became a viable move for us, ( mostly for health ), then we would look for one of those opportunities to buy when the market is getting hammered . :)


The healthcare is supposed to be tops. I also suffer from what they think is "ibs" which is like a fate worse than death sometimes and we think that the gmo's and some of the foods in the states nowadays can be at least partially attributed to this mess. If that's true and we can avoid the gmo's by living in France, obtain the best healthcare and find a smaller village that has an abundance of English speakers, AND I don't know what the attitude is toward someone from Vietnam........I can tell you that I've had a couple of near run-in's here and at one point went and had a conversation with one jerk off.....he was stupid enough to judge a book by it's cover.


The only French I've ever met were in Asia and they seemed decent people but don't many of us expats and I was one then, have similarities? I don't know how the French would treat my wife at the market for example. If I can make some headway with my health in the next year or so I'd love to go and see it. Before all this started I was really into food and besides living full time in NYC , Vietnam, Thailand...........France would be a logical evolution from a gastronomic point of view? Heh


Not pleased about the cannabis laws either and that's a near dealbreaker as I KNOW I can do that with the laws permission in Vietnam. 100%. But the healthcare isn't what I'm willing to try and endure unless I'm missing something as I really liked living there and have all kinds of friends and business there so it's a natural . The fockers, you would think they would all recognize the sheer amounts of moolah they are not getting merely by keeping this gift from G-d illegal . Truly shortsighted.


Food.........and Cannabis, what a motivator though
 

Floridian

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Tudo do you feel nauseous most all the time?Not heartburn or reflux but sour stomach like that feeling you get you've drunk too much and the room starts spinning?Fucked up bowel movements all the time?I suffered from that shit for years and years and went from one gastro guy to another trying different stomach medications that didn't do jack shit.I thought I'd be nauseous for the rest of my life.Not fun if you have to work for a living.Then I saw a gastroenterologist and told him my deal and he said no problem seen it a hundred times and put me on 50MG nortriptyline.The day after I felt better,the second day I was totally cured.This is after over 10 years of being sick on a daily basis.Don't let the fact that its an anti-depressant fool you,it's crossover use is specifically for IBS and it was nothing short of a miracle for me.Never had I taken any medication that worked so thoroughly and perfectly.This was a dozen years ago and I take one every morning still.I'm not even thinking about stopping it.And it doesn't make you feel weird at all like some anti-depressents do,zoloft comes to mind lol.No this did nothing to my mind and everything to my chronic stomach problems.I have been able to turn one other person on to it who had symptoms like me and it cured him 100% too.If the feeling you have is sour stomach,nausea and fucked up bowel movements,you really have to give it a try.I've never experienced anything so thorough and life changing.Google it man.If your symptoms are indigestion and reflux it's not for you.Its for nausea.You can thank me 2 days after starting it lol
 

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