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herbal essences

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
Orange Diesel

What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
seed

What is the age of your plants?
almost 3 months old

How Tall are the plants?
3.5 feet

What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
flower

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
none

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
3gal

What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
COCO

What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
GH Flora micro + bloom, 6ml/gal micro and 9ml/gal bloom with 1ml/gal Cal-Mag, Once a day with runoff

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
not sure

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
not sure

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
ph pen

How often are you watering?
everyday

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
yesterday,everyday

What size bulb are you using?
600

What is the distance to the canopy?
12''

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
40

What is the canopy temperature?
79

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
day 79-night 75

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
249

Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
not directly

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
no

Is your water HARD or SOFT?
soft

What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
tap water

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
no

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
no

Are plant's infected with pest's?
no









 

mudvaynefan

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shit bro, those are killer looking plants.

I would love to have those as a issue. Aside from some clawing\curling, what is your plants problem?

Looks green, healthy, actually looks like it ;belongs in the not sick plants section.

Like the "this is how you grow a healthy plant " section. :muahaha:

Im not the most observant person around, but what is the problem in the pic?
 
G

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id say you are over feeding them. try cutting back to about 4 ml/gal micro and 6ml/gal bloom. i see you are using the lucas formula how long have you been running the lucas formula?

also if you are using tap water is the ppm of it in the acceptable range i.e= 200 ppm and under if it is not within this range id not use the cal mag every watering.

try this flush first real good.

then use the amounts above that i gave you and water with it one day and the next use the calmag at 5 ml per gallon the nest and alternate like that also id through some bloom boosters in there like kool blooms or whatever gh has now days, or any other companies bloom booster. big bud is awsome. but dont think you have to get all kinds of other advanced nutes. stuff to use it. just use it with what you have but when using the bloom boosters with the gh micro and bloom cut them back each 1 ml from what i gave you to try.

i think this may help from what im seeing
 
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herbal essences

Thanks evil indica, I pretty much was planning on doin what you said cut back alittle on the nutes, especially the cal-mag... Since the beginning of this grow I've been using greatfulhead's modified lucas formula for coco


mudvaynefan said:
shit bro, those are killer looking plants.
Im not the most observant person around, but what is the problem in the pic?

Yea it's the curling, thanks for the comment tho :)
 
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MynameStitch

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Yes, everyone is correct; you are over feeding your plants.
Ya, the green color is a little too dark and see how the top of the plants are showing a cupping downwards? this is related to watering everyday, the bottom's of the pot if not being allowed to dry out before another watering; you need not to feed everyday that is nuts, If you were using soil your plants would be so burned it would look ugly.

I would get them into a bigger pot if I were you, add some more coco and water every few days.

Is the reason you water everyday because the pot gets light and the mixture is dry? Why are you watering everyday?

Feeding needs to be stretched, every 5 to 7 days........

Right now since it's overwatered, wait till it drys out a bit and then flush it with around 3 gallons of water.

It is pretty, but it's got a buildup, I would not use cal mag, but stay with your gh bloom and micros but I would not use anymore than 4 ml of the micros, your using tap water and chances are you have enough in there, but it's always good to use a little extra, the amount you are using is adding too much.
The strength you are using should be stretched every 7 days you are using it everyday and the main reason why they are not burnd is because you are watering everyday and even though you are using nutrients every watering your not giving your plant a chance to sit in the nutrients long enough to show a bad burn.

So you should always give your plant at least 1 drink in between feedings, this helps wash out any buildup or salts left over from the plant removing nutrients from the soil and leaving the stuff they don't need in the soil, a flush helps remove this and when you use water in between feedings, this also helps remove salts and any buildups.

Your pH also needs to be tested, it may be a little alkaline due to you using nutrients everyday..... and you watering, with you watering like that, the pH of your nutrients and water will the the pH value of your run off.

Normally it's not like this, but your watering everyday so you don't give your medium a chance to go to it's natural pH value.

You have a digital pH pen or test strips?
The curling is you over watering and using too much nutrients.
 
G

Guest

Maybe she, the plant, has curled leaves because she, the plant, has a hot date and used a hair curler wanting to look good. You know typical female stuff. Then again, Stitch could be right. Your choice. The smart-ass or the plant doctor. Go with me for an occassional chuckle or her for healthy plants.
Hi Stitch...you do good work. Mucho respect ma'am.
 
G

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also another thing you are using tap water so there is no need to use any calmagplus at all.

they make calmag for combating deficiancies and for correcting RO water so it can have a little bit of mag and cal back in it cause alot of manufactureres of nutes rely on this tap water's mag and cal content to do the trick only thin now is "why use ro anyway when you are just putting back in what you just took out with a 200 dollar machine? right?

well most tap water has way to much mag and cal for the plant and it would lock stuff out. also it has a managerie of other stuff in there that definatly needs to be removed. the cal mag or magical or sensical mg mix grow and bloom add back the essetials, that were removed originally from the tap water, in the correct amounts and well balanced to work in conjunction with you selected nutrient.

also did you know that stuff like calmag plus and magical (technaflora) are both exactly the same except magical has a more chelated form of iron but the cal mag plus is partly organic. but when you add only cal, mag, and iron as micronutes it throws of the balance and uptake of most other nutrients. the calcium, magnesium and iron have to be in precise ratios with almost all of the other micro and secondary nutes to be taken up by the plant in correct proprtions..the answer to this dillema is a produst from advanced nutriets called SENSICAL MG MIX GROW AND BLOOM they have a full complement of the most chelated micros and most are from a protienate souce and that allows the plants to be really really happy

i have grown quite sick of AN lately after running the 2+ program for 2 runs now and by no mean would i let or want anyone to fall into the hype of their bullshit marketing.

but they have more than a few very quality products that have in no way a close copycat formula anywhere out there in the industry. they do make alot of super stuff but you DO NOT need everything they sell.
 

MynameStitch

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THat I will agree with is AN most of there products are nothing but hype.

Yup, bought time I seen someone else besides me say you don't need all there products!

I used there carbo load, b52, big bud and I liked them all, there is about maybe 5 or 6 products I would use and that would be it.
Never tried nor do I want to try there 3 part.

Normally if you use tap water that has over 300 ppm's you could start to cause lockout but if you use anything less than 250 ppm tap water, normally it would not cause a lockout issue.......
 
G

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yes stich especially for the guys who are kinda new at this growing growing pot stuff. lol

they might have tried once or twice germinating seed and growing and got terrible resluts. then they start reading about the web for nutes and stuff and stumble upon the AN website. "well heres my problem, HA i was using gh instead of AN and AN says that plants cant grow unless you use all of their stuff" they buy a shitload of an stuff, then mix it all together and think they got the magic elixer and nothing can go wrong now.

FALSE you kinda have to really know what you are doing to use everything an recomends or youl have no luck at all with it. im ranting a little.

now dont get me wrong i use an and love their stuff, for one they are pharmecutical grade chemicalls and they are designed for cannabis, which is great.

but you can grow great looking and smoking pot with just sensi grow and bloom 2 part, or even the sensi one.

the problem with newbs is that they read all this yeild incressing produst and stuff and they become hell bent on increasing a eyild that they have not even had yet

stick with base nutes maybe a bloom booster or a catlyst. thats it and once you get them down tweak it with all the special shit an has but DO NOT do it unless you have a couple "just base nutes grows" down. then play with all the other stuff

hell sometime youll be suprised that the very simple base nutes only growns outperformed the hellidied additive grows. this is because you really have to know how to apply special supplements. and if you dont they will do more harm than good, actually if you dont know how to use them right they wont do ANY good and just harm and headaches.

and knowing how to use them is not following the back of the bottles recomendations. casue most of the time the bottle of an stuff is way way way off target on how to use and how much and when.

trust me guys i used to be one of these guys. then i said the hell with al this and started mastering just PBP and gh flora series and it wasnt quick work either it took a good year or two. but now i can bet my teeth that i could out yield remo!
 

MynameStitch

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HAHA, you are not kidding there, people have been growing pot for 1,000's and 1,000's of years before AN came along!

Hell when I grew for the first time I was using miracle grow ferts, but I did some research before I plopped some seeds in there and read up about nutes and nute burn, I never have burned my plants, but MG can and does grow some nice buds if you want to use chemicals to grow with, mine grew out over 6 feet tall and I was growing in a phone booth style grow room so I had a hell of a time growing it out and trying to control it.

I used to watch remo's grow show and at first I did not know it was sponsered by AN, the grow show is used to help promote AN.
The show always says how yo achieve 2lbs+ per light, but only once does it mention it and the only reason why is, because one person sent an email asking, because they never said how to do it in there show before.

It's common sense on how to do it, but you need a lot of light to do so.
 
G

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now dont get me wrong stitch i love the an stuff that i have and use it is invaluable in some instances a select group of products have definate purposes and cant be compared to anything else. they are bottom liine the best product to do the job you need.

like the over drive and big bud
or the voodoo and pirahna and tarantulla
sother earth lines
revive
sensi cal mg mix grow and bloom
bud blood
their ph adjusters are really concentrated and go a long way
thier sensi 2 part grow and bloom are very good
as far as stuff like scorpion juice and nirvana and hammerhead pk, clone it colosal bud blast and a lot of others are just ridiculous in my opinion for some on eto buy they really make not much of a differance.

by the way their enggy line of stuff is really good to
 

KABBAGE

Member
Too much N - how big are those pots?

As for the discussion on AN....
Overdrive = good
Big Bud = bad - ratios are improper for cannabis - maybe ok if using everythin they recommend, which is 85% of their products, but the ratio of 0-30-50 for the powder (or whatever it is is incorrect, you want typicially a 1-3-2 ratio for flower.
Voodoo Pihrana Tarantula are pretty legit.
Mother Earth Tea = good
Carboload = give me molasses any day over this crap.
Bud Blood - still out to the jury on this one.
Sensi 2 parts = good, infact using them now.
Sensizyme = Ill take Hygrozyme over that shit any day.
Connossieur - good stuff from what I've read and seen - only to be used at 1/4 strength though
They do have very evil marketing in my mind - comparable to the cigarette adds of Joe Camel and the lot and do posses many useless products. Gramma Engy's line is OK as said, hard to fuck up Fulvic and Humic acid I suppose though. Hornby's stuff is good as well - Iguana and whatnot. I think Paul actually left AN to deveop his own consumer friendly line. AN seems to be too focused on putting out NEW products every other day. Just money hungry.
 

MynameStitch

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I Have seen plant to plant clone to clone tests on hydrozymne and sensyme and from what I have seen seen I would personaly take sensyme over hydrozyme, I have seen some grows with hydrozyme not being as stable or working like it should.
Big bud works good for me, I used it on all my grows and I loved it.

Carboload, I bought that and yes I will have to agree with you on there, molasses would be better!

All the rest I have never used, but I have seen good results with overdrive.

There enngy organics work good?

You would think organics is organics or something...... but since they make it, I don't see how theres is any different from other organics.
Just some may mix theres and sit out better or something.
 
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stitch kabbage was talking about HYGROZYME not HYDROZYME (grotek) hygrozyme is made by the guys who make bushmaster gravity and purple maxx
 

MedResearcher

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herbal essences said:
. Since the beginning of this grow I've been using greatfulhead's modified lucas formula for coco




Yea it's the curling, thanks for the comment tho :)

I use greatfulhead's modified lucas formula for coco as well. I also was using it with CalMag and getting a nitrogen toxicity the leaves looked just like yours. I beleive H3ad uses it with Epsom Salts which compared to the CalMag doesnt add any Nitrogen.

I switched from using CalMag, to using Sweet. I use 6ml micro, 9ml bloom, 6.5ml sweet. This puts me at almost the identical numbers as H3ad without that excess Nitrogen the calmag was giving. Plus the sweet has sugars which the plants seem to like^^

It took me a while to get the GH in CoCo dialed in, and honestly I dont think I could have done it without H3ads information. Although chasing small toxicities and deficiencies like these has me thinking about switching to CSN-17. It seems so simple 1 bottle, no ratios, only have to watch the PH and EC. Maybe when I switch over ill document it, since not many have tested it out around here.

Good luck, and nice garden^^
 

KABBAGE

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Sensizyme doesn't even come close to Hygrozyme imho fyi. AN has to have their greedy lil fingers in everything. When they see a product is selling, they come out with something similair to get their chunk of the market, even though their product is inferior, they bump the shit like its the best.
I like AN's products, but DESPISE their marketing.
 

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