Small concern

[SpookyGrow]

Ok so I've got a plant still in veg for about 3 weeks now, and some of the middle section leafs are starting to turn a BRIGHT green, neon I'd say, from the base of the leafs toward the outsides (from where the leafs connect to the stem, in the center, not on the outside of the leaf - its spreading toward the leaf ends). Its not really progressive, and its stoped for the most part (I think). I'm using MG slow release ferts, the PH is 6.9 on the dot, I haven't fed them anything yet, 200W CFL of mixed spectrum, the plant next to it, which is 4 weeks old, has no signs of this - and is looking wonderful - on that note its BAGSEED. For the most part I was wondering why this is happening? I'm not overly concerned about it - but it appears to be in the upper section of the plant only. Bright green, no yellowish tint. The newer smaller leafs are not showing signs of this (YET), but the middle of the plant/middle aged leafs are - and I'm wondering why. Its my first grow...

I would upload pictures but I'm abit paranoid. I think its the weed that has me feeling this way.. Har har har.

 

[MynameStitch]

With this situation we would have to see pics.... if you can't trust this site to upload pics too; then there is NO Site on the net to upload grow pics too!
It's ok it's safe to upload them here......

 

[SpookyGrow]

Well

Well

Well looking at the sick plant photos by you - It looks similiar in color to the Magnesium deficiency photos, but the only differ is that instead of starting fron the outsides working its way in, its starting fron the insides (base area) of the leaf and working its way toward the end. Still not very stressed about it. I'll be starting to add food the next watering, as shes around 3 weeks old anyways.

 

[MynameStitch]

Ok, well that is a micronutrient issue; sulfur is the only one that works it's way from in to out like that and if it's on top of the plant it's sulfur..... but you won't fix the problem just by adding it; mostly small micronutrients like that are caused by a lockout or something else..... you will hae to fix that before you can do anything else.

You growing in a hydrohut?

 

[SpookyGrow]

This is my setup 3/4 weeks prior to current events. It only contains those 2 long potter bins now - alot of the plants have been put down (due to space issues, I went by strongest selection of 15 plants to 6 at 2 weeks into it - FROM GERM in paper towel - ) I have more lights as well, this time around I'll be completeing with CFLs, HPS and other lights I'll play with next time...

The one bin which I am encountering this discoloration is the MG slow release ferts (only 1 of the 3 plants suffer) - the other bin is my own mix, MG Organic (which had gnats in it that I had to handle) with bone meal / blood meal added. This first time around is more or less a learning experience - I've even stoop'd so low to torture the smaller plants VIA really cold water, ferting them, drying them out, FIM'ing them WAY to early... using them like a monkey in a lab. (tested the ones I didn't put into the bigger pots, the ones I left in the small peatmose pots)

The temp is around 80-85 during the day, and around 70-75 at night. Humidity ranges from 42-51%, and the PH of the soil is all within a 6.5-7.0 range, test was done with one of them rods ya stick in and wait for 60 seconds. It hasn't stunted growth, it doesn't look sickly, its just discolored, and I'm a question man, filled with questions. I plan to start using ferts next water (I believe off hand is 2 days from now) but I might leave that one plant be for abit and see what happens / if its on the new leafs. These pictures are from eariler on before I got paranoid about adding pictures...

Might add more - either way I was also wondering of a good, compact, cost-effective odor control. Right now I have a small ozone converter thing, ment to help breathing and what not (which I believe was proven to make conditions of breathing for humans worse in the room due to the produced ozone...) and its not doing its job. I only might end up with 3 plants total (have 6, but I am hoping atleast 3 will be female) so its a rather small setup...

Sorry for the lengthy reply. Could it be the pure genetics of the plant at which this discoloration are happening? I've noticed that some of my bagseeds just look abit... well, "retarded" compaired to others...

 

[MynameStitch]

You most definatly have to have those lights closer dude; those seedlings will stretch badly and from the height the light is you won't get much down to the plant so your plant is going to stretch and end up being very lanky and stunted.

From the pic you posted I don't see what is wrong with the plant; sounds like you did some research and got everything right...... as for the odor control you can create a cheap carbon scrubber for around 40 50 bucks including the carbon......

 

[Core]

you can not go by the ph you are pooring in...you will need to actually measure the PH of the medium..before you can act on anything else...and what type of medium are you using ...add the brand plz...not every bag that is labeld potting soil is earth..

 

[SpookyGrow]

Like to take the time to state that I am new - with that said... words like medium throw me off abit - is that refering to the soil - I thought it was a hydro term. Either way I'll check that and get back to you. I would say its the soil, but it wouldn't make sense... there are 2 more additional plants in the soil right beside this girl thats showing discoloration...

As for the lights, the picture is abit unforgiving. It has a 60W cool CFL, and trust me, it is almost laying on that plant.. I move them just close enough to feel abit of warmth from them, but not heat. I've already burned one of them from leaving it abit to close - infact thats the plant I burned shown. Right now they are maybe 14" - 16" tall, and BUSHY AS HELL.

At this point I guess I'll have to upload pictures. Some people say check the run-off of the pots, but I only have a soil-based tester (with the metal probe).

again - the photo that is pictured is a setup picture, not a current plant picture.

 

[Core]

you don't answer my questions ...so i'll leave it to stich......hope you find it ...dude

 

[SpookyGrow]

You didn't even give me time to answer your questions, its MG's potting soil (the one with slow release ferts, "feed plants for up to three months") the other is MG's moisture potting soil (at which I'd like to state I'm not having moisture problems like people said the stuff causes, it dries out just as fast as the regular stuff, keep in mine I added 30% perlite to the mixture.) the organic potting soil did however contain gnats. But either way back to the problems.... Core you didn't answer my questions, about your questions if that makes any sense. Feel free to try and help if you want...

Stitch my friend, long awaited pictures... had to work up the nerve.

Here are the babies today - they are over crowd'd and the largest is about 12-14" tall. There are three per pot. Not all will be female so the issue of over-crowding my space will disappear once they hit flower... I'm sure they will all be girls though...

Well here are the ladies, they don't get let out much... I'm a selfish father.

all of them now (the small tortue pots have been removed from the picture)
The oldest is around 4 weeks old, from date of placed in germed paper-towel.

The problem girl is in the center back, here is more detailed pictures.









Mid-section leafs are getting this color, the new top leafs growing in might not be showing this, or just might be entirely this odd color, still waiting for them to come in.

 

[MynameStitch]

I was going to say to answer cores stuff too since he is taking the time to help out; but then you posted so I had to erase my post!

Those metal probes you can never go by those; those things are such the cheapest gimmick in the world! Core will explain to you what you need to do with that situation.

The only kind that holds in too much moisture is the MG moisture control mix; cannabis does not like the way the mixture holds in water... those perlite pellets that designed holds in too much keeping the soil a little to moist.

So if your not using that; your fine


There are three per pot. Not all will be female so the issue of over-crowding my space will disappear once they hit flower... I'm sure they will all be girls though...

See; this pic makes a perfect example how one always takes over the other
Not only is it nearly impossible to keep the plants happy if they are diffferent in terms of the amount of nutrients... but they fight for root space and the ones that are not growing as fast gets left out when it involves root space.

Even if you pulls the ones that are not males..... you will still have to transplant,because the root space will be rootbound and it won't grow easily; you would have to wait for the roots to die and compost in the soil before any roots could grow in the space where the other plants roots were at.

Once a plant gets overtaken it gets faster and faster overtaken the the small plant does not grow.

It's got a micronutrient problem; and since they are all in the same pot; this problem is going to be hard to fix.... This could either be caused by the plant not liking the pH since you don't know what the pH of the soil is......

Zinc is used in small amounts of the plant and with there are more plants in this mixture.... it may either be caused by lack of, because you got more than one plant per pot; or the pH is locking it out......

First before ya do anything I would check the pH like Core said..... this way we will know if it is indeed caused by that or the plants taking the amounts of zinc and this plant is getting the short end of the stick......

You may have to foliar feed this plant; you don't want to go adding zinc to the rest of them..

You can get some earthjuice microblast; that has zinc in it and has many other micronutrients....... if you don't have access to a hydro shop I can tell you some other things to use; like something from a hardware store.....

Since it's bagseed you don't know about the strains..... also the leaves are cupping a bit so that tells me there may be some lockout going on...... But honestly I think the plants are fighting for nutrients.......

 

[SpookyGrow]

Ok so I'll look into a pH tester that really works... any suggestions welcomed. With that said though I thought ahead about the root systems fighting each other. There are two dividers in each long pot, each plant has around 6 liters of soil to grow in, and the roots cannot touch one another. I figured I would have enough soil for my grow (my space limits maybe 20" at the MOST from the top soil level.) so I figured 6 liters per plant would be fine. Adding ferts to one plant and not the other shouldn't be much of a problem either. The watering of one plant doesn't effect the other so far. In the full photo shot if you look right by my hand you can see one of the dividers in place.

But like you said I guess I need to invest in a real pH tester. I've been watering them with spring water from the store... don't want to mess with this city water.

Gah I keep forgetting small details. The size difference is the start date difference in the plants, almost none are of the same age, and some I've stunted at the start as well. The other small players (the middle one with the problem) is 1.5 weeks behind the larger one, and the one off to the far right in 1 week behind the sick one.

 

[Core]

for the record....the only questions you askt woz ...you where wondering what woz happening to ya plants and the odor thing.....and this is infirmary so i'm not comming here to answer equipment Q's.....i just wanted to help/reply so thats why i askt you the brand.....so don't say i did't answer yea Q's my friend......Nway its x mass and we need to stay in the sprit ey :smile:...

So what Stitch said about those metal bars is true....they are total crap....better take a bit of distilled water in a cup and add a bit of soil ...dig a bit deeper then the topsoil...let it sit a bit and test that....but as said before a decent ph pen would do wonders....something you can't miss while growing...
i'm telling this coz taking runoff is't intirely accurate....you gotte work it from there to pinpoint the cause...

ohw and my bad for being short temperd....happy hollidays to ya ...


ohw yea check the bay for a ph meter...

 

[SpookyGrow]

Well got a real tester from a bud, pH is 6.6ish - with that said I went ahead and added a very small amount of ferts - I believe I did 1/8th the recommended dose, first time ferting and I heard that alot less, is alot more (at first atleast). Either way its been a day since I've added it, (it had zinc and other micros in it) and the new leafs seem in good standing, as if the problem went away. I think thats all I needed fellas. If I am wrong and the problem comes back, I to will come back.

I also asked if you wouldn't mind defining the word medium for me Core... so I asked more then 1 question. I still am not sure what it means entirely, I assume it means the 'part' I am using to grow my plants, soil, hydro rocks? I'm most likely wrong...

Have a good one.