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led05

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caterpillar710 said:
Lol damn do you got a family like the Branch Davidians in Waco feeding em off a half acre hahaha
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haha, extended too, give some to neighbors as well, the only food things we buy at store are proteins for most part..... Ever grow Serviceberries, delicious and earliest fruit there is around here
 
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calisun

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slow, jodoka, cat, leadsled,led hazy,orech or anyone else. Would you mind discussing your thoughts and course of action you would take with my soil and water. All posted on this thread page 173 #1722
Thanks :tiphat:
 
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calisun said:
I got my soil tests back. I have 12 spots and tested 3 of them. Each spot is about 2 yards. I had spectrum test three spots #one,two and three. Number one the plant did not do well at all last year and spots two and three performed very well on average with the other 9 spots. The soil test shows that spot # one isn't much different from the others so I think I either had a sick plant I planted their or I did have some ants in that spot and another spot. I am looking into nematodes as it sounds like the ants were farming insects in the soil and may of hurt my root system? I also had logan lab do a test in spot # two so I can cross reference with last years logan test. I am having a hard time reading spectrums test as it is new two me but I am slowly working through it. It looks like i'm low in cu and n maybe b and zn. My Mg looks pretty high again. I did apply gypsum a couple times last year but it's still high. I also attached the water test from my well. My well does test positive for coliform. Was debating of running my water for the garden through a uv light? What do you guys think. I always appreciate any and all input. Sorry I haven't contributed much I'm still in the learning phase of balancing soil and minerals but I have been growing successfully for many years and will contribute more tips and things I have learned over the years more often.
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Is this a soil or a mix?

What has been added here?

Please explain what we are looking at?
 
superx

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This thread has a great wealth of knowledge,

most of it seems to disappear over my head, my brain is similar to a sponge
its fine for absorbing and retaining certain information.

I do enjoy popping in though, anyway sorry for the side track and thanks for keeping it real everybody...
 
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calisun said:
slow, jodoka, cat, leadsled,led hazy,orech or anyone else. Would you mind discussing your thoughts and course of action you would take with my soil and water. All posted on this thread page 173 #1722
Thanks :tiphat:
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If you want my opinion go to another thread. This is SNs and my advise is not in tune with his thread. AEA thread
 
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calisun

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slownickel said:
Is this a soil or a mix?

What has been added here?

Please explain what we are looking at?
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This is a soil mix made of approximately
25% humus compost
25% pumice, rice hull, perlite
25% peat moss
5% coco fiber
5% worm castings
15% top soil a silty loam
This is the 4th year in this soil.

First year had 5' x 30' x 2' deep trenches. Had a lot of gophers bothering my plants. Must of killed 20 the first year on 1 acre.
So I built 4'x 8" redwood boxes with 4x4 as corner posts that were two feet long so they exteded 1' below the box and wrapped them with hardware cloth and droped them in the trench and filled them most the way up with soil. so each box is a little under 2 yards of soil. but the roots can go out further.
I use some age holy mic and mac last year and I top dressed as needed with organic ferts, such as seabird guano pellets 12-12-1 I think. I addend gypsum a couple times last year. I made act a few times with alfalfa, worm castings some sst corn and barley and a little molasses Oh and used some K2SO4. I'll ad to this if I think of anything else.
Thanks slow
Jidoka I'll post my tests in aea in a couple hrs.
 
HillMizer

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HazyBulldog said:
Been messing around with seed starts. You can mix Black gold 75 black gold/25 with gypsum and plants grow just fine. No joke. Look into Ca excess, bet you can't find it.
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Vermifire is really bad this year. Added gyp and foliar phos and any fuelly plants HATE it. Had to cull a bunch clones in 5 gal, they seemed too mad to try and rescue. I got lazy and wanted something to plant in without making it from scratch.
 
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I will tell you what. Getting enough Ca into salt fed coco plants is a motherfucker. Step one you better wash some gypsum through there to drive k and Na off the cec sites. And supplying all of your N with CaNO3 don't get it done either...you end up with high NO3 problems before you satisfy Ca.

Actually trying a very fine grind of gypsum dihydrate in the fertigation now. We will see how that goes. Plus foliars of course.

And dropping k and mg to levels I would have never believed so as not to block Ca uptake

but on the path concentrate yield has doubled and thc production is up 30-40%
 
led05

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jidoka said:
I will tell you what. Getting enough Ca into salt fed coco plants is a motherfucker. Step one you better wash some gypsum through there to drive k and Na off the cec sites. And supplying all of your N with CaNO3 don't get it done either...you end up with high NO3 problems before you satisfy Ca.

Actually trying a very fine grind of gypsum dihydrate in the fertigation now. We will see how that goes. Plus foliars of course.

And dropping k and mg to levels I would have never believed so as not to block Ca uptake

but on the path concentrate yield has doubled and thc production is up 30-40%
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Mg & K are overrated/used, think I mentioned that a while back when someone asked my base ratios and my Mg & K were super low vs Ca (Ca ratio > 10:1, K at 2 or 3% max, ), there's a reason, I favor other things as well vs those
 
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led05

led05

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HazyBulldog said:
Been messing around with seed starts. You can mix Black gold 75 black gold/25 with gypsum and plants grow just fine. No joke. Look into Ca excess, bet you can't find it.
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I think it goes without saying that what you start your seeds in is the critical step to everything (kind of like genetics, you start at say 100 and can only fk it up from there)...


It's amazing how hot you can actually start seeds at across the board, I kill a lot of plants testing silly things but hot soil to begin with and seeds is one that blows my mind how far you can push it..... Then again it kind of makes sense in a ass backwards way, but grounded in reality and view able facts...


Your seedlings are much more cold, rain, even snow hardy etc than your plants will ever be at the end of the year, this is for nearly all plants that are annuals, why would it be any different down below...?
 
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jidoka said:
I will tell you what. Getting enough Ca into salt fed coco plants is a motherfucker. Step one you better wash some gypsum through there to drive k and Na off the cec sites. And supplying all of your N with CaNO3 don't get it done either...you end up with high NO3 problems before you satisfy Ca.

Actually trying a very fine grind of gypsum dihydrate in the fertigation now. We will see how that goes. Plus foliars of course.

And dropping k and mg to levels I would have never believed so as not to block Ca uptake

but on the path concentrate yield has doubled and thc production is up 30-40%
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IME, this is when paying close attention to the ideas behind VPD come in handy. maybe more so than manipulating ionic ratios in the soup.

temp, relative humidity, ppfd uniformity, moisture status of the media in between irrigation events ect.

Anything that could slow or limit transpiration or the flow of water into and through the plant.
 
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