Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[led05]

What??? Just one question prior to termination of this go no place discussion. Where do you get bog from?

If you do not know what river valley bottomland flooding is and its benefit to farming, then you do not know farming.

I thought I read a flooded loamy valley bottom, lots of bogs exist in this exact place, at least in these parts (loam on sides of the bogs, Organic/bog sits on top of the Loam etc which are at valley bottoms - there a terrible mess to work in, horribly drained, CEC is super high etc)) - I understand mineral deposits in the native you describe above (i was being serious your spot sounds amazing, just not that common), I think we were just on diff pages and I read too quickly.... Wasn't trying to poke, sorry....

I responded to you as well in PM - but honestly, where can you not get Gypsum?

 

[jidoka]

What??? Just one question prior to termination of this go no place discussion. Where do you get bog from?

If you do not know what river valley bottomland flooding is and its benefit to farming, then you do not know farming.

Reduction of micros vs oxidation comes to mind. I love the strategy...respect

And while MM and i might disagree about balancing, and I definitely agree don't totally focus on a single thing. Number one far and above for me is microbes

It is said 80% of human health is gut microbes. I feel the same about plants. Anybody heard of Pareto?

 

[led05]

Reduction of micros vs oxidation comes to mind. I love the strategy...respect

And while MM and i might disagree about balancing, and I definitely agree don't totally focus on a single thing. Number one far and above for me is microbes

It is said 80% of human health is gut microbes. I feel the same about plants. Anybody heard of Pareto?

Jidoka, I enjoy nearly everyone of your posts - Very informative, always, thanks !

 

[Microbeman]

I thought I read a flooded loamy valley bottom, lots of bogs exist in this exact place, at least in these parts (loam on sides of the bogs, Organic/bog sits on top of the Loam etc which are at valley bottoms - there a terrible mess to work in, horribly drained, CEC is super high etc)) - I understand mineral deposits in the native you describe above (i was being serious your spot sounds amazing, just not that common), I think we were just on diff pages and I read too quickly.... Wasn't trying to poke, sorry....

I responded to you as well in PM - but honestly, where can you not get Gypsum?

My apologies for using short form. Loamy bottomland soil is typically formed by river seasonal flooding. This provides incredible amounts of nutrients.

At times we could barely afford to fuel up the tractor, nevermind cover 40 acres in gypsum or anything else. The closest city with supplies was 100 miles. Things could be ordered at the closest town 30 miles away. Our property was over 100 acres but 40 acres was arable. The neighbors all used chemicals ordered in.

I believe it was a good lesson.

 

[jidoka]

Anybody ever try and construct a tea where Mg was compounded with P? I don't know how to test to see if I have succeeded. My thinking though, is if I can attach Mg to a phosolipid is that I can jam P into the plant and have the plant recognize it as the highly mobile cation Mg until the Mg is cleaved.

I cannot figure out how to even prove the concept. But my experiment has been brewing Mg and P together with a highly fungal tea.

If I can make it happen I can run with much lower P than most...which means much higher micro uptake...which means much higher quality.

Anybody?

 

[jidoka]

Has anyone studied the compounding of Na and Si into NaSiO2? My thinking is reduce the Na to the minimum required input so my Si can do the magic I know it is capable of.

 

[jidoka]

Oh, btw I have done some study. Making a Mg Phosphate tea depends entirely on developing fungal activity...I got my method but would love to hear from someone else on this subject.

I judge by how much yeast forms in the brew. Not as precise as a microscope but you gotta factor in my lazy ass

 

[jidoka]

Has anyone studied the effect of actual liquid carbon from the photosynthetic reaction vs dumping the right humic acid in the soil? At first glance it would seem to me to be no different. But thinking about it nature has evolved to the point where the plant itself is designed to dump liquid carbon into the soil. My random thoughts may be no match at all for billions of years of evolution

 

[jidoka]

But think about it, you make one little fuck up and the plant quits dumping liquid carbon into the soil. Those carbonic acids no longer form. Mineralization slows down, the plant gets less input from the soil, it says oh fuck I am starving, it sends even less to the soil, less caronic acid means less mineralization. A serious downward spiral begins.

Can you cut that off by simply adding carbon to the soil?

Is it different in eastern soils vs typical western soils?

Or do you also need to add aminos and fatty acids.

Just asking

 

[jidoka]

Anybody ever introduce fatty acids into their teas? I ani't sayin shit beyond that...do your own research. But check it out.

If you got the question...short chain, medium chain or saturated...what you think?

 

[jidoka]

OR...do you just chuck either gypsum or compost at it? Who the fuck knows right. I am really high on some tested by 3 labs 36% thc Chem D x I95...quite possibly rambling and will regret it tomorrow.

 

[led05]

But think about it, you make one little fuck up and the plant quits dumping liquid carbon into the soil. Those carbonic acids no longer form. Mineralization slows down, the plant gets less input from the soil, it says oh fuck I am starving, it sends even less to the soil, less caronic acid means less mineralization. A serious downward spiral begins.

Can you cut that off by simply adding carbon to the soil?

Is it different in eastern soils vs typical western soils?

Or do you also need to add aminos and fatty acids.

Just asking

Think of the nice eastern soils of the shale regions where the shale (Shale Silty Loam) is literally at the soils surface or dang near it, we don't worry about free carbon - lack of sun, too much snow, high soil PH (limestone) etc, we do - give and take ....

 

[jidoka]

Fair enough...think of that high altitude, pure blue spectrum coming vitually straight down on my black boxes in late July, early August.

Plus and minus to everything in life. You gotta take what you got and turn it into lemonade...or money...or pussy...or whatever you like.

 

[led05]

Fair enough...think of that high altitude, pure blue spectrum coming vitually straight down on my black boxes in late July, early August.

Plus and minus to everything in life. You gotta take what you got and turn it into lemonade...or money...or pussy...or whatever you like.

Your weather situation is much better for this plant, no questions about it weather wise on the west coast vs. east, daily sun integral is nuts the difference at same latitudes.

GH's in temperate locations (w good sun, lighting, year round) could be ideal though once going mass (good humidity, less cooling issues, heat stress etc) --- will be interesting how it all shakes out ---- I just hope the tobacco men don't own it all in a decade or two, think there's always going to be room for primo - wine on steroids

 

[jidoka]

I am not implying at all excellent weed cannot be grown everywhere by somebody other than cocksucker corporations. I merely meant we all have pluses and minuses. The trick is in making the most of the hand you are dealt.

I have great sun. But low humididity...I got to deal with respiration issues. You have great soil and better temp/humidity but not so great sun...lighted greenhouses come to mind.

We all need to work with what we got to keep the true cocksuckers out of our business.

And yea...naybe we (I) should share more to do that. The siren song of the illuminati is strong though.

I am torn.

 

[jidoka]

https://www.advancingecoag.com/our-team

While I am really high...there is woo woo and there is this guy

edit..fuck me that did not work. Bill Cisneros...particle physicist turned Ag. You know how John never/cant answer technical shit. Ask this guy.

edit dos...and then buy shit from somebody that don't lie to you constantly

 

[slownickel]

https://www.advancingecoag.com/our-team

While I am really high...there is woo woo and there is this guy

edit..fuck me that did not work. Bill Cisneros...particle physicist turned Ag. You know how John never/cant answer technical shit. Ask this guy.

edit dos...and then buy shit from somebody that don't lie to you constantly

wow

 

[led05]

https://www.advancingecoag.com/our-team

While I am really high...there is woo woo and there is this guy

edit..fuck me that did not work. Bill Cisneros...particle physicist turned Ag. You know how John never/cant answer technical shit. Ask this guy.

edit dos...and then buy shit from somebody that don't lie to you constantly

Not to overly generalize, but for me personally, I would never buy anything from the Amish and I live around a lot of them - there is a serious lack of personal hygiene, lack of cleanliness, science etc in their AG practices / products (basically just spray manure everywhere for everything) and they drive young kids, very young to do some really nasty work, I can only imagine what else..... They are extremely astute salesman though and will tell you whatever you want to hear, to close a deal....

I don't intend to offend but these are well known things in these parts

 

[Sokan]

Anybody ever try and construct a tea where Mg was compounded with P? I don't know how to test to see if I have succeeded. My thinking though, is if I can attach Mg to a phosolipid is that I can jam P into the plant and have the plant recognize it as the highly mobile cation Mg until the Mg is cleaved.

I cannot figure out how to even prove the concept. But my experiment has been brewing Mg and P together with a highly fungal tea.

If I can make it happen I can run with much lower P than most...which means much higher micro uptake...which means much higher quality.

Anybody?

I play with low pH AEM to further brew with lots of rock dusts, granite dust, bone meal together with molasses. Not sure if that works as my intention is.
I had observed a very interesting thing when I had tea aerated tea with lots of life, added molasses brought it down and mineralized/cysted but then added biochar and beet lime brought pH back and diversity appeared again....so thats why I thought you could make mineral teas this way, solubilze calcium and so on...

I like you all guys, thanks for sharing.

 

[led05]

I play with low pH AEM to further brew with lots of rock dusts, granite dust, bone meal together with molasses. Not sure if that works as my intention is.
I had observed a very interesting thing when I had tea aerated tea with lots of life, added molasses brought it down and mineralized/cysted but then added biochar and beet lime brought pH back and diversity appeared again....so thats why I thought you could make mineral teas this way, solubilze calcium and so on...

I like you all guys, thanks for sharing.

I use wastewater diffusers (plumbed w PVC) for my tea aeration and a large pond pump driving them in 150G feed bins (this is home use size on wheels, then use a Wayne inline pump to spray through hose with old school style brass spray nozzle, very mobile setup for a half acre I use at home personally to feed the fam), the aeration and life it brings in a few hours is amazing (why wait 12 or 24) and a relatively cheap solution to make at home with items avail at hardware store or amazon in 2 days....

The inline Pump and Pond pump are affixed to side of tank, diffuser in tank of course.... It makes delivering teas very easy when at times it can suck