Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[led05]

I don't think I'm the only one of anything and I don't think I "get" anything more than any one else could but I like to read and experiment in the garden and actually create data sets instead of doing how most forum participants do and just copy what someone posts even though they may not know why they are doing that or even for their situation if it's good.

All the other answers aren't good ones... like I said ... what y'all think you're putting on as available probably isn't moving in to the sap the way you think...

Dude, you know your shit, it's clear... FKIN SHARE IT and certainly don't criticize others for when they do.

I get you feel your knowledge gained is invaluable but if you think for a fucking second that dropping a few sentences here undermines that, well then.... You don't know nearly as much as you think or you're scared of what's happening in this AG space (the pinch is coming down and sadly many decent farmers are going to get squeezed). Farming is HARD, and not always about who knows the most science but often who is the most RESOURCEFUL.... !

Have you ever tried to compete in a real AG space where ridiculous margins, rules etc aren't the driving factors? This plant and market is currently in a vacuum vs every other AG product I've ever seen / personally been involved with.

Sharing a few tidbits isn't what you need to worry about...

Your piss poor attitude and arrogance will be what bags you, not your extensive knowledge of "trade secrets" as you'd like to believe

what a joke..... Not enough tractor time for you lately Eh'......

 

[caterpillar710]

All done with the tractor for a bit and kitting out three new structures since all this showed up last night ...

I don't have a poor attitude but I have no patience for people who want layups.

Not sure how a guys gonna get bagged when his production costs are lowest in the industry fixed labor overhead is low because almost every thing is mechanized down to transplanting bucking and trimming even and product demands a premium based on branding and is already heavily distributed at a retail level buuuut thanks for your good vibes!!

LoL this guy said resourceful... call me a surge protector cuz I'm so plugged

 

[led05]

All done with the tractor for a bit and kitting out three new structures since all this showed up last night ...

I don't have a poor attitude but I have no patience for people who want layups.

Not sure how a guys gonna get bagged when his production costs are lowest in the industry fixed labor overhead is low because almost every thing is mechanized and product demands a premium based on branding and is already heavily distributed at a retail level buuuut thanks for your good vibes!!

This will be the last of it.... I hope you do well, like everyone else.

I'm not trying to send bad vibes (sorry) but more responding to the ones you've been dropping in here for months, attacking the thread starter etc ---- YET YOU JUST CAN'T SEEM TO LEAVE?

I agree with a lot of what you say BUT If you treat your labor, your dist channels, customers etc like the way you do people in here, well it amazes me if anything above is then true or will last...

So what's the deal then...? Tough guy on the internet type of thing, it doesn't suite you well....

Pay it forward bud and be confident in what you know / what you have. If you have it all locked down, as you say above, clearly you have no worries anyhow, right?

Squashed - share more, fear less, your brain seems to have a lot to offer !!

 

[MrBungle]

can we talk more bout the root exudate cycle?

 

[reppin2c]

Let me be the first to say i am also an arrogant ass. So can we stop with the name calling.

Zinced and tainio water last night to make sure the soil is saturated. Now a quick hit to further saturate the soil and let foliar Friday commence cuz Im taking the weekend off. Got that albion Ca and fertinitro. By the time I'm done fising these fuckers are gonna be off the chain

 

[led05]

All done with the tractor for a bit and kitting out three new structures since all this showed up last night ...

I don't have a poor attitude but I have no patience for people who want layups.

Not sure how a guys gonna get bagged when his production costs are lowest in the industry fixed labor overhead is low because almost every thing is mechanized down to transplanting bucking and trimming even and product demands a premium based on branding and is already heavily distributed at a retail level buuuut thanks for your good vibes!!

LoL this guy said resourceful... call me a surge protector cuz I'm so plugged

Nice GH btw and delivery..... Are any of them on wheels? Have you looked into this and benefits of winter weathering of your native soils?

 

[caterpillar710]

This will be the last of it.... I hope you do well, like everyone else.

I'm not trying to send bad vibes (sorry) but more responding to the ones you've been dropping in here for months, attacking the thread starter etc ---- YET YOU JUST CAN'T SEEM TO LEAVE?

I agree with a lot of what you say BUT If you treat your labor, your dist channels, customers etc like the way you do people in here, well it amazes me if anything above is then true or will last...

So what's the deal then...? Tough guy on the internet type of thing, it doesn't suite you well....

Pay it forward bud and be confident in what you know / what you have. If you have it all locked down, as you say above, clearly you have no worries anyhow, right?

Squashed - share more, fear less, your brain seems to have a lot to offer !!

What you don't understand is I've paid it forward on this site for almost the last decade under different handles and have freely given away sooooo much good info that I just don't feel like I need to share any more so instead i just show what I do and try and steer the conversation toward some real shit like I did just now... cause seriously we get it... gyp all the soils lol

 

[led05]

What you don't understand is I've paid it forward on this site for almost the last decade under different handles and have freely given away sooooo much good info that I just don't feel like I need to share any more so instead i just show what I do and try and steer the conversation toward some real shit like I did just now... cause seriously we get it... gyp all the soils lol

I haven't been here long. My bad if that's true... I just see a guy who knows a lot and has a lot to offer and when he does, it's enjoyable and even more so beneficial to read....I'd like to see more of it..........

I'm Sorry if we got off on wrong foot, I'm known to be an arrogant ass myself... fisherman spotting fisherman type of thing.....

 

[caterpillar710]

No they have to be concrete in for permitting here ... so silly ... weed farmers gotta do shit no other farmers do for permitting and everything has weed tax on it. It sucks. There's 2 more identical ones next to that and a Gothic arch same dimensions , 60x120 auto blackout getting built next after 1000amp 3 phase drop gets done... building a commercial Nursery is fun

 

[MrBungle]

So root exudates is what the plant uses to communicate with the rhizosphere? And we can manipulate the root exudates with foliar feeding?

 

[jidoka]

http://bionutrient.org/library/audio-archive

Go to 2012 and 13. Listen to kempf

 

[leadsled]

So root exudates is what the plant uses to communicate with the rhizosphere? And we can manipulate the root exudates with foliar feeding?

Plants and soil have a symbiotic relationship. The roots exude sugars that feed the microbes.

By foliar feeding exudate production is increased. and therefore the microbial life in the soil is enhanced.

In addition if there is an issue with uptake via the soil. For example combined sodium and potassium is above 10% base saturation. Then the plant will have issues with manganese via the soil.

In that case, Foliar spraying Mn helps get the mineral into the plant and also helps to boost the microbial life.
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[kelly1376]

I like to read and experiment in the garden and actually create data sets instead of doing how most forum participants do and just copy what someone posts even though they may not know why they are doing that or even for their situation if it's good.

I've read this entire thread and have been reading Tiedjen's book and you do bring up a valid point. Id like to see more people doing simple side by side experiments & documenting the results. Tiedjen's did simple controlled experiments on everything in every situation. It's the only way to know for sure whether any change is additive.

 

[canna.ballistic]

Thanks for explanations ...

... here are some articles I quickly found ... don't know how good they are, but at least they provide a starting point for further research for those new to the concept (like me !!).

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/132/1/44.full
http://aglifesciences.tamu.edu/root.../06/2014-Huang-et-al-review-cjb-2013-0225.pdf
http://www.academicjournals.org/article/article1380721793_Shukla et al.pdf
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.713.4852&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://www.plantstress.com/Articles/min_deficiency_i/root_exudates.pdf

Cheers

 

[caterpillar710]

That's why I stop sharing if you share people copy they don't try to progress

 

[led05]

That's why I stop sharing if you share people copy they don't try to progress

what's your take on UVB Cat? Are you like Sam (and his one experiment, quasi, them controls sounded real weak) and say no effect or do you see what I think to be obvious differences, some good & bad -

for me I personally think UVB helps Terps develop more fully and have tested this to the best of the my limited abilities in many different herbs (no GC)... and have anecdotal support, Basil seems to be one that really benefits, Canna as well.... UVB was Med grade Psoriasis lamps, very little to no UVA, just UVB sweet spot 3 & 4 hours per day at mid-day, UV Index was measured at 12-15+ with a reliable meter in most places for those 3 /4 hours, control didn't have nearly the smells, flavors etc...

I think we've all read many places supporting outdoors and ripening while UV is still decent (more trichs) but is it the UV that's the cause or the many other variables more favorable during same times? Very few if any decent / recent studies have been done, I'm always curious on peoples take here.

I realize this is a bit off topic but an area I personally think hasn't been vetted nearly enough.... For instance I think GH tomatoes (In the ground so same exact soil for most part) don't ever compare to the ones right out in the Sun I've grown, I think UVB is at play here to some extent among other things, none of it in the soil though...

 

[caterpillar710]

Summer light dep is the best because UV index is through the roof. Yeah GH diffuses some UV but you can't stop the trinity county sunshine

 

[slownickel]

Plants and soil have a symbiotic relationship. The roots exude sugars that feed the microbes.

By foliar feeding exudate production is increased. and therefore the microbial life in the soil is enhanced.

In addition if there is an issue with uptake via the soil. For example combined sodium and potassium is above 10% base saturation. Then the plant will have issues with manganese via the soil.

In that case, Foliar spraying Mn helps get the mineral into the plant and also helps to boost the microbial life.
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Lead,

What do you mean the plant will have issues with manganese via the soil when Na+K>10? You mean need more?

It seems that when Na+K>10, that Fe and Al go toxic quickly. One of the responses to that is Mn. Interesting to hear what you have noticed.

 

[plantingplants]

Was trying to give ya some props for coming up with the real answer because every other one was some reductionist NPK mentality that is like 1+1=2 but with plants it doesn't work like that.

You gave me props while simultaneously being elitist af. Not elitist because you pick and choose what when and how you share (i get that) but because of how you act and treat others. You used it as an opportunity to put down other people and elevate yourself. By elevating me and denigrating everyone else who tried, you implicitly elevated yourself. It was a good play. Just depends what game youre playing. We're all insecure. It feels really good to know stuff. Feels even better to be an authority and know more than others. Probably feels the best when everyone is giving you handjobs until you shoot your secret load. But fuck off with all that. Not sayin you have to share, but we could do without the condescending attitude.

 

[oct]

^ I can't spend much time on here anymore. I might post once a month. Maybe skim threads once a week. I've done combat sports my entire life and there is more ego in growing weed than any mat-room you'll step into. Not directing this at cat or anybody on here. I sell large quantities of fertilizer and see growers everyday of the week for a good portion of the year. EVERY SINGLE ONE thinks they are the greatest, their technique is unrivaled, their plants and quality are A++.

I'm a pretty real dude but at this point it's nothing but bullshit for me.. "wow you really are the greatest. I bet thats a 20 pounder. Shit you'll probably have a 20 pound average!!." When in reality I'm thinking pay me my cash so I can get the fuck out of here and no I don't want to see your other greenhouse because this shit is covered in russet mites and I'm not trying to bring anything home. Did I mention your the greatest!!