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acespicoli

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grab a seat and see where this ride takes us ?

Most common remark I hear is where is the smell of the skunk funk?

Sweet sk#1 to rks everything in between all inquiries statements welcome please feel free to join in
Luckily @Sam_Skunkman is with us on ic and may be able to answer questions pertaining to preservation etc


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Frank Meyer, a germplasm collector for the United States Department of Agriculture,
collected achenes from Xīnjiāng Region (USDA 1912). The germplasm was cultivated in
Nevada—the first C. afghanica grown in the USA. Plants matured rapidly (109 days), grew 5-6
feet tall, branched heavily, with large resinous tops that “give off a skunky odor” (Kennedy
1915). A photograph shows densely branching plants with wide-diameter leaflets (Fig. S9).
Figure S9. First Central Asian C. sativa
cultivated in the USA. Photo reproduced
from Kennedy (1915).
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'76
  • O Haze
    • »»» Mexico x Colombia x Thailand x India
Who got the original? Here the Haze-Line in a short version:

Haze Brothers -> Sam the Skunkman (Cultivators Choice) -> Wernard (Positronics); Neville (The Seed Bank); Eddie Reedeker (Flying Dutchmen)

Sam the Skunkman, who was the breeder of the first commercial available "Original Haze" out of the Haze-Brothers genetics said the following into the IC-Mag forums:

[...] The main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that [...] and anyway recently he told me he never [...] did not sell any Haze seeds to [...] anyone else ever. The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone [...]. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbours for years, J lived a few hundred meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

(if you find this post please send me a PM to link)
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Originally offered by Sacred Seeds and Cultivators Choice, it is a combination of:
(Afghan x Colombian Gold)x Acapulco Gold

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'78 Skunk

1978 Mendocino Joe Skunk that ohsogreen has preserved ever since he got them from Joe himself in a late night parking lot rendezvous in the Bay Area in 78. I'm reliably informed that it's the original Sacred Seeds Skunk (Mendo Joe being one of the small circle of guys who bred Skunk) the same one that Sam started working with and Sam selected for the sweet sativa side, hence the Skunk #1 came about. The 78 Skunk has been preserved outdoors in Cali through open pollination using decent numbers and ohso tells me it produces 50% indica phenos (that stink BAAAAAAD!), 25% Acapulco Gold phenos and 25% Colombian Gold phenos.
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https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/PGT-209219/robert-c-clarke/panama (added in place of CG click for more info on CG)


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Logo Alaska Cannabis Cache
Originally sourced by Dirty Jim in the early 80s in Mendocino California at Fort Bragg California this stinker certainly lives up to its name, it got many folks who grew her out in the 80s and 90s busted, Lime green colored buds with Orange hairs glisten with trichomes and stank to high hog heaven, this one is a bit harsh on the pallet but puts out a heady punch to the head, watch out for 80s style munchies, this one gives it in spades not a daywrecker just a great old school commercial strain that is nowdays hard to find due to its reputation of narcing out its growers
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Nevil
Nov 29, 2010
Garlic bud came from Jim Ortega, as did Maple Leaf. You'll notice from the photo of pure Garlic from my old catalogue, how similar it is in structure to the Skunk#1. I suspect they have a common ancestry. I think of Garlic as a pre-Sam Skunk, but maybe Jim knows more.
In any case, the two crossed well together.
Further improvements may be made by putting the hybrid to Super Skunk. The latest versions will add resin and richer smells to the mix. For the lovers of Skunkoids, there is plenty of good material to play with. UK Cheese may also benifit from a cross to the Garlic line. They are all variations on a theme. Beginners stuff really, but not to be sneezed at. For many, it's where the money is. Heavy yielding, clean limbed Skunkoids make good breeding material.
N.


Nov 30, 2010


Garlic bud came from Jim Ortega, as did Maple Leaf. You'll notice from the photo of pure Garlic from my old catalogue, how similar it is in structure to the Skunk#1. I suspect they have a common ancestry. I think of Garlic as a pre-Sam Skunk, but maybe Jim knows more.
In any case, the two crossed well together.
Further improvements may be made by putting the hybrid to Super Skunk. The latest versions will add resin and richer smells to the mix. For the lovers of Skunkoids, there is plenty of good material to play with. UK Cheese may also benifit from a cross to the Garlic line. They are all variations on a theme. Beginners stuff really, but not to be sneezed at. For many, it's where the money is. Heavy yielding, clean limbed Skunkoids make good breeding material.
N.
Actually I just harvested quite a few Garlic Bud dominant phenos from my Skunks and you my friend will be the sole benefactor of these fine gems once again.
ortega

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Flagstaff male
Deer Creek#1 thought to be Mass Super Skunk or NL
One of 2 bag seed males found from a bag bought by my dad at the 1992 Grateful Dead Deer Creek show in Noblesville Indiana and also the Dad to

Defcon D
ChemTrails
Fart Blossom
Banana Whammy
Mint Condition
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clone-only Texas Shoreline?​

Everything’s bigger in Texas, and if you talk to devotees of this Lone Star State strain, they’ll tell you that the marijuana is better, too. Shoreline is a strain of legend. Supposedly first appearing in the early 1980s, it is known as a true “old school skunk.” Fittingly, its name is rumored to come from the state’s Shoreline amphitheater after the strain made a successful debut there during a Grateful Dead concert. Its super strong skunky smell may border on unappetizing, but its large, hairy buds make up for it with equally potent effects. Sativa-dominant, this strain will free your mind and may verge into the psychedelic for some. A clone-only plant, true connoisseurs wonder if the original can still be found. In an effort to continue its lineage, Shoreline has been crossed with many other strains. If it’s found outside of its Texas homeland, a mix is probably what you’re getting.
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clone-only Albert Walker?​

The strong roadkill skunk-meets-lemon funk of Albert Walker will overwhelm the smell of many other plants in the grow room. Originally from the Pacific Northwest, but of unknown lineage, this Indica-dominant strain has a positive, relaxing, mood elevating effect that lasts longer than most.

Albert Walker was made popular at Grateful Dead concerts throughout the 19802s and 19902s, but was thought to have originated in the Pacific Northwest earlier than that. The structure and scent suggests that it’s an Afghani Skunk, but nobody knows for sure.

Albert Walker is a finicky and demanding strain that is tough to grow, requiring heavy feedings to maintain healthy growth. It yields well and is very rewarding if properly treated though. Possibly due to the old age of the clone, it is very difficult to clone and grow, but makes great breeding stock. (growing information courtesy of MoonshineMan)


Scent: Pungent lemony-garlic skunk
Flavor: Strong and thick-tasting lemony skunk
Effects: Coming on strong with a wave of heat to the head and chest, Albert Walker uplifts the mood and provides a good deal of mental energy at first. It changes it character after a short time though, turning into more of a euphoric and relaxing Indica effect. Good body relaxation, anti-anxiety, mood elevation, and appetite stimulation qualities.

Type: Indica-dominant hybrid
Genetics: Thought to be an old Afghani Skunk
Geographic Origin: Afghanistan, then to the Pacific Northwest
Flowering Time: 60 - 67 days
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clone-only Cheese?​

Cheese originated in 1988-89 as one unique female phenotype out of packet of Sensi Seeds Skunk No. 1 grown somewhere in the Chiltern Hills. This one plant produced impressively large buds and had a very distinctive cheesy odour. It was quickly cloned and named Cheese.

Around 1995 a Cheese clone was passed on to Exodus, an alternative community living in Haz Hall on the edges of Luton. Exodus organised free parties, championed the legalisation of cannabis, grew cannabis themselves and protected each other from the law. They also started CANABIS (Campaign Against Narcotic Abuse Because of Ignorance in Society). Because of all the people that passed through the Exodus community many clones were handed out to visitors and the strain continued to grow in notoriety.

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RFK (aka RFK Skunk) is a mostly sativa variety from unknown origin and can be cultivated indoors and outdoors. .

Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91
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The D-lines - more on the OG later

DNL {RFK x Hawaiian} x Northern Lights


D DNL
Chem D d x DNL
DNL BX
DNL x Unknown Strain
DNLD
DNL x Tres Dawg
Sour Diesel
Original Diesel x DNL
 
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Nannymouse

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Took me decades before i would try anything with 'skunk' in the description. Mostly because of the smell and not having odor controls. When i tried sk#1, the cantaloupe version, by ISS, i liked it...sweet, with just a little skunk flavor, but very light. Not overly potent, but pleasing high type.

The most garlic odor off any Cannabis plant that i've experienced, was a G13 x Oasis. (Oasis is NL#2) I don't know if Oasis is related to what you call 'garlic bud'.?

woops, ISP
 
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willydread

Dread & Alive
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Took me decades before i would try anything with 'skunk' in the description. Mostly because of the smell and not having odor controls. When i tried sk#1, the cantaloupe version, by ISS, i liked it...sweet, with just a little skunk flavor, but very light. Not overly potent, but pleasing high type.

The most garlic odor off any Cannabis plant that i've experienced, was a G13 x Oasis. (Oasis is NL#2) I don't know if Oasis is related to what you call 'garlic bud'.?
One little bird told me hindu kush from sensi is nl2:smokey:
 

goingrey

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Frank Meyer, a germplasm collector for the United States Department of Agriculture,
collected achenes from Xīnjiāng Region (USDA 1912). The germplasm was cultivated in
Nevada—the first C. afghanica grown in the USA. Plants matured rapidly (109 days), grew 5-6
feet tall, branched heavily, with large resinous tops that “give off a skunky odor” (Kennedy
1915). A photograph shows densely branching plants with wide-diameter leaflets (Fig. S9).
Figure S9. First Central Asian C. sativa
cultivated in the USA. Photo reproduced
from Kennedy (1915).
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Wow, that's fascinating. 1912 Chinese Skunk.

Achenes huh, never heard that term before... Achene definition, any small, dry, hard, one-seeded, indehiscent fruit. Ah, scored some bud.
 

acespicoli

Well-known member
Took me decades before i would try anything with 'skunk' in the description. Mostly because of the smell and not having odor controls. When i tried sk#1, the cantaloupe version, by ISS, i liked it...sweet, with just a little skunk flavor, but very light. Not overly potent, but pleasing high type.

The most garlic odor off any Cannabis plant that i've experienced, was a G13 x Oasis. (Oasis is NL#2) I don't know if Oasis is related to what you call 'garlic bud'.?
The northern lights lines are a interesting topic
One little bird told me hindu kush from sensi is nl2:smokey:

The progress in the NL # 2 line has been tremendous this year. The backcrossing and inbreeding has now produced an F-3 of remarkably pure Hindu Kush phenotype, with just a hint of sweet piney Sativa mixed with the rich Kush pungency. We find the NL #2 to have surprising vigor for an inbred line,
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(makes you wonder?)
That is the University of Washington( U-Dub) clone that has been held in Oregon for many years,this is the indica version.
There's another U-Dub clone floating around the PNW that the locals call "G-13" that has an open structure that looks more sativa.
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Our good friend NDNguy gifted us 88 G-13/HP stock to make fresh stock and share the love freely.
This is an IBL line mostly done by NDNguy and friends with the wishes that no one profit from the pure seedline.
Wow, that's fascinating. 1912 Chinese Skunk.

Achenes huh, never heard that term before... Achene definition, any small, dry, hard, one-seeded, indehiscent fruit. Ah, scored some bud.
indeed very early gene bank score
thanks for sharing amigo……seeds will do…..
ganj on….
more to come,

Glad to see you here friends, thank you for mentioning the NL clones maybe someone can add more about the origins and breeding of each line
As it does fit into the OG breeding part quite well and the resources available to the historically significant seed banks:smoke out::huggg:
 
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acespicoli

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Several plants were grown from a
local California “skunk” variety, which was likely a 3/4 NLD and 1/4 BLD hybrid
(e.g., Colombian/Afghan x Mexican)
and then all the females were crossed with a single select male.
A female identified as skunk plant number one was selected as the highest yielding and most potent,
and became the founder of all subsequent generations.

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acespicoli

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Somewhere there is a 1980's terpene report of skunk I was looking for that and found this... while it had the terpenes theres some new scientific reports available
You'll probably notice the chem 91 profile in the graph below


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Skunk smells in cannabis not caused by terpenes but sulfur-based compounds: study

Terpenes are only part of what gives some types of weed their unique smells and other related properties


By
Natalia Buendia Calvillo


Published
December 3, 2021
That skunky, gassy scent that some cannabis cultivars emit is thanks to recently identified scent-producing sulfur compounds that are almost identical to the ones found in garlic and skunk spray.
That’s according to a recent study published in the journal American Chemical Society that took a deeper look at what causes the distinct skunky smells in some types of weed, given that no combination of terpenes seem to produce this particular odour.
Researchers from terpene-specialized extraction company Abstrax Tech, identified that the skunk smell comes from a family of seven scent-producing molecules called volatile sulfur compounds (VSCs).
“The combination of multiple detectors, in tandem with two-dimensional gas chromatography to analyze cannabis, gave us the tools needed to parse through data and identify trends between certain compounds and the aromas of various cannabis cultivars,” lead author Iain Oswald said in a statement.
“Our data conclusively establishes a link between this new family of VSCs in cannabis and its pungent aroma.”
VSCs are part of a family of volatile organic compounds which also includes the terpenes and terpenoids that are responsible for stimulating your nose when you sniff dank buds of weed.


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Graphic via ‘Identification of a New Family of Prenylated Volatile Sulfur Compounds in Cannabis Revealed by Comprehensive Two-Dimensional Gas Chromatography’
The study found that production of the skunk-smell molecule increased significantly toward the end of the flowering stage, peaked during curing and dropped substantially after 10 days of storage.
“It confirmed everything I had thought about some cultivars I have bred — that they are some of the most pungent and medicinal on the market. These compounds are the reason Gelato and subsequent crosses are some of the most highly sought after out there.”
For the study, researchers analyzed 13 cannabis cultivars using two-dimensional gas chromatography (2DGC), coupled with other techniques to analyze substances such as mass spectrometry and sulfur chemiluminescence, a method that detects only compounds with sulfur.
A panel of four people smelled and ranked the pungency of the cultivars on a scale of 0-to-10. The panel found that the most pungent cultivar was Bacio Gelato, and had the highest concentration of VSCs.


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The skunky secent-producing compounds in cannabis are chemically similar to those found in garlic

VSC3 is the skunkiest compound​

The study discovered seven kinds of VSCs that gave cannabis its skunk-like aromas, but VSC3 was most abundant in the cultivar with the most stank.
To confirm that VSC3 was the main source of the skunky smells, researchers added a mixture of 10 other major aroma compounds from cannabis and were able to reproduce a weed-like aroma.


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Cannabis cultivars have various levels of VSCs
 
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chilliwilli

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mexweed

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yeah I found the DP description

"Our original Mazar is a 1980's classic made from a special Skunk#1 crossed with a prized Afghani, the genetics were upgraded in 1997 and Mazar remains one of our best selling varieties of all time. Mazar has a Christmas-tree appearance, the heavy side branches ensure large harvests. The growth vigour and toughness make Mazar a good choice for less experienced growers. Mazar is a real Afghani hash plant with extremely heavy resin production and great potency. She may need supporting at the end of flowering and produces notably strong odours."

so they revamped it 2 years before winning the cup, they also refer to the original as a "prized Afghani"

and Sam bred with it? this makes me wonder why it was referred to as a flop, or maybe he meant that Nevil trying to continue the original selections as seed flopped
 
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acespicoli

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'Chef Ra' Enjoyed The High Life​

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Thursday, December 28, 2006
by Paul Wood
The News-Gazette
Lots of people knew James Wilson Jr., whether they knew him as Jimmy Wilson, Urbana's three-sport star; Rasta James, the reggae promoter; H. Rap Wilson, the radical; or Chef Ra, the High Times food columnist.
"If you're from Urbana and you don't know him, you don't get out much," said Maarten De Witte, an old friend who usually called him Jim.

Mr. Wilson brought reggae to Champaign-Urbana, set a high jump record that lasted for years, was known internationally for his cannabis-infused recipes and ran for president
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on a legalize-marijuana platform.

As recently as last Saturday, Chef Ra was his usual ebullient self, dancing in an aisle of the Esquire Lounge in Champaign. He died in his sleep Monday night or Tuesday morning at the age of 56.
He was born Oct. 10, 1950, in Charleston, W.Va. His father, James C. Wilson Sr., was an assistant track coach at the University of Illinois when he died in 1967. His mother, Winnie R. Wilson, a teacher and administrator in the Champaign Public School system, retired in 1996 and lives in Urbana.
Mr. Wilson, a cab driver,
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WEFT radio personality, ganja cooking expert and man-about-town, never married but had a million friends.

De Witte and another friend, Mick Woolf, agree he had a strong streak of privacy.
The public persona was impossible to separate from his various pursuits. His sister, Karen Wilson, recalls a streak of kindness in her older brother.
"The old ladies from the North End always asked for him when they called for a cab," she said.
De Witte said his friend was also brave. They grew up in faculty housing in Urbana and went to Yankee Ridge and Urbana High School together.
"To my recollection, he was the only black student at Yankee Ridge" (at the time), De Witte said.
His senior year, Mr. Wilson was co-captain of the football team and president of his class. When he rode on a float next to a blonde female counterpart, there were hisses and boos from some, De Witte recalled.
The family thrived on breaking barriers. Karen Wilson, an attorney in the U.S. Department of Justice, recalls an idyllic early childhood in West Virginia, where her father taught at a historically black college.
When James Wilson Sr. came to the University of Illinois to earn his doctorate and coach track, Junior was in fifth grade and ripped from a cocoon, she said.
His friends recall that Mr. Wilson set an Urbana High School record in the high jump that stood until Olympian Tyke Peacock broke it. He was also on the basketball and football teams.
But he was 17 when his father died, and girls, radical politics and reggae became more interesting to him than sports, De Witte recalls.

He studied film and communication at the UI, discovering Bob Marley in the process.
Reggae, Rastafarianism and marijuana were all of one culture, and Mr. Wilson segued into Rasta James, growing 5-foot dreadlocks and introducing the community to the music on WEFT.

"He may have been the longest-running personality on WEFT," said station manager Woolf, who added that the Rasta personality was a draw in fundraising for the community radio station.
He ran for president in 1984,

friend John Lindell recalled, and while Ronald Reagan may not have paid much attention,
the Rasta balloons attracted local interest.

Through an Urbana friend,
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Steve Hager,
In 1988, Hager was hired as editor of High Times magazine. He is most famous for removing hard drugs (e.g., cocaine and heroin) from the magazine, and concentrating on advocating personal cultivation of cannabis. Hager became the first editor in the world to publish and promote the work of hemp activist Jack Herer. Hager also created the Cannabis Cup, a cannabis awards ceremony held every Thanksgiving in Amsterdam,

Chef Ra enjoyed a long career at High Times magazine, writing recipes, visiting Jamaica and Amsterdam to represent the magazine, and appearing in videos.
His cookbook included such recipes as Springtime Ganja Nachos, Rasta Pasta Pesto, the Ultimate Hash Brownies and "the secret to making perfect Ganja Butter."
Funeral services will be at 2 p.m. Saturday at Wesley United Methodist Church, Goodwin and Green, Woolf said. Visitation will be from 4 to 7 p.m. Friday at Renner-Wikoff Funeral Home, 1900 S. Philo Road, U.
WEFT will play a tribute to his musical interests today from 8 to 10 p.m., his regular timeslot.
Copyright The News-Gazette.
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In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 and The Berne Convention on Literary and Artistic Works, Article 10, news clippings are made available without profit for research and educational purposes.

Here is one of his recipes for “High Times”. Easy to baker, and delicious cookies.


Chef Ra’s Magic Peanut Butter Cookies


– 1 bag peanut butter chips
– 1/3 cup smooth peanut butter
– 2 cups biscuit baking mix (Bisquick mix will do)
– 7 oz sweetened condensed milk
– 1 tbsp vanilla extract
– 1/2 stick butter or margarine
– 1/4-oz finely chopped ganja buds or fan leaves
In a large bowl, mix the peanut butter and milk until mixture is smooth. Add in the biscuit mix and vanilla, and mix until smooth. Set aside. In a double boiler pot (one pot that fits inside the other separated by water), slowly heat the butter or margarine over a low flame. Add ganja and cook for 45 minutes, tending to the cooking process to make the butter never burns. When finished, strain out all the ganja particulate and save the sweet ganja butter. Set aside and allow to cool slightly. Then stir the butter into the dry mixture until it’s smooth. Roll the dough into small balls, flatten them out, and place them on an ungreased cookie sheet. Preheat oven to 375°F (190°C). Bake cookies for 6 minutes or until they’re light brown. Makes about 4 dozen.

cookbook
Thankful Grateful

-RIP JIM WILSON
 
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mexweed

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the quote is from the first page of that hindu kush thread and I paraphrased it from memory, it actually kind of sounds like Sam tooting his horn and dissing Neville's breeding

"Mazar was not collected by me, Neville bought the seeds in Pakistan from Afghani or Pakistani smugglers. It was a flop, he dropped it after a few years. It was Neville's first attempt to create his own variety from scratch, after that he stuck to retooling others breeders work, or making simple hybrids of other breeders work, and calling the new hybrid his own."
 

acespicoli

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it actually kind of sounds like Sam tooting his horn and dissing Neville's breeding
seems they went back and forth... I have read some bad quotes...in poor character
haters will only make you a better breeder...
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Jim Dogless Ortega ....

Nov 29, 2010 #12

Garlic bud came from Jim Ortega, as did Maple Leaf. You'll notice from the photo of pure Garlic from my old catalogue, how similar it is in structure to the Skunk#1. I suspect they have a common ancestry. I think of Garlic as a pre-Sam Skunk, but maybe Jim knows more.
In any case, the two crossed well together.
Further improvements may be made by putting the hybrid to Super Skunk. The latest versions will add resin and richer smells to the mix. For the lovers of Skunkoids, there is plenty of good material to play with. UK Cheese may also benifit from a cross to the Garlic line. They are all variations on a theme. Beginners stuff really, but not to be sneezed at. For many, it's where the money is. Heavy yielding, clean limbed Skunkoids make good breeding material.
N.
Actually I just harvested quite a few Garlic Bud dominant phenos from my Skunks and you my friend will be the sole benefactor of these fine gems once again.
ortega

Nov 30, 2010 #18

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R, J, @Sam_Skunkman , Joe, Jim :respect:
 

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