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Single leafs, curled leafs... What could've caused this?

Hello everyone, TrickHomie here.
Now I have kinda strange problem. I'll start from the beginning, and then get to the problem.

Last year was my first grow (outdoor). In the winter I planned a massive outdoor + guerilla grow for this summer. I've collected lots of bagseeds all coming from top-notch buds... And I also had a bunch of seeds that came out of one of my last years guerilla grows (since I was lazy, I missed one male, that polenated my entire GG).

So, at the end of January I sprouted 2 seeds from my last GG. Here they are in early February under 4000K CFL's



Those are two plants. In the pot in front there is a California Orange Bud seedling, which was still very small.

Next pic... This one should be somewhere at the end of February or early March. I started to put them under sunlight during the day, since there wasn't enough space under the CFL's




So there you see from left to right: The two plants from the previous picture, next two new seedlings, and the Cali Orange which was a very slow grower in the beginning.

So they grew up, by the start of April they all showed sex. It was time to take clones. So the first two plants (the oldest) were both female, I had to cut one of them, since they were very close and would compete with each other. Since the shorter one smelled more like it's mother I decided that it will live, and the other one will go (offcourse I took a few clones of it before I cut it).
So I took as many clones as I could, and at the end of April I moved the mother plants to a place of mine where they could grow outdoor under sun. I found the a nice place where they woild get sun from 7am until 8pm.

So... One week later:
That's the plant that was in a pot with another one, now alone


Still looking pretty normal although a bit bushy. It already had a few single leafs, but it didn't look too alarming.

Abd that's the Cali O



And some clones...





Soo, 2 or 3 weeks later, here's the bushy plant once more



Notice that almost all of the newly grown leaves are single...

And a week later...





zooming down




Notice the curled in leafs that look like beans!

Anyways I thought that this might be a mutation or something. Here's a clone of this plant, having the same characteristics.



So far so good. BUT!!! I left two Cali O clones back at my place, keeping them for a friend... And guess what they did...


The popped out some cursed single leafs, and a few curled ones. And up to this day tha mother Cali O doesn;t show single leafs. I assure you I didn't git the wrong clones. Those are Cali O's and even I I wasn't sure, I could tell by the smell.

So now for the grow medium and nutes... As they were in pots I used standart potting soil. When they grew up a bit I transplanted them in larger pots with the same soil + some coffee leftovers. Same soil mix (potsoil + coffee) was used for the clones.
The older plants, that were transplanted outdoors, have been put in fertile soil (used for growing tomatoes) + some sheep manure.

And I used this stuff
http://www.orvital.it/pages/Inglese/Prodotti/Radicante.html
For cloning and accelerated root development.

Water was always Ph'ed at 6.5.

Now I take it that the strange plant you see on the pics is simply some mutation. But what about the California Orange Bud clones? Their mother shows none of these signs, and yet the clones are popping out single leafs?

first I thought, Maybe I've put too much coffee. As far as I know coffee leftovers are rich in Nitrogen, I checked MyNameIsStich's tread for Nitrogen intoxication, but it doesn't say anything about single or curled leafs.
And I think since Coffee leftovers are organic, they shouldn;t be a problem for the plants.
Those clones are on my balcony, and the get 6+ hours of direct sunlight. I've grown plants on that balcony last year and they were fine... So it isn't insufficent light.

So what could possibly cause this, and is it dangerous?
 
Well the plants have showed sex... and had some pistils at the future budsites, but it's still way too early for flowering. (those are grown outdoors under sun)
I expect they'd start flowering after mid-July.
The cuts had a few pistils on them, do you think this could be the cause?

And if so, is there any hope that those plants can reach maturity and flower properly?
 
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spiral

I would say the plants are re-vegging. You can tell by the curled leaves that look like "beans".
 
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spiral

Somehow the plant started flowering maybe when you put them outside. It'll take awhile but the leaves will start growing normally. 1,3,5 etc...
 
Thanks for the input @spiral. That is a reasonable explanation, I hope you're right.

Anyone else with different explanation for this? Come on, don't be shy :)
 

BudLove

Member
Hmmm.... well let me be the first to say that the last few pics of that 'plant' have got to be the most fucked up looking pot plant I think I've seen.

Dont get me wrong but hell, even the leaf structure doesnt look right.

Compare the branching of your Cali O picture - nice 5 leaf arrays, multiple branching out - perfectly normal looking lady.

Now the pic of your busy plant with the beans - hell, if I took a few more swats of this bowl I might be convinced it simply WAS a damn bean plant. The leaf structure just looks all wrong to me.

Then again...I haven't grown nearly every strain out there, so maybe there's a bean-strain I missed somewhere...hahaha
 
BudLove, yep you're right. It really looks nothing like MJ. It only smells like it :)
If this lady yields well and is potent, that would be the perfect Guerilla Growing plant, cause noone will ever suspect it :rasta: Good thing I still keep ~20 seeds from that batch. I might try to achieve the same effect and produce an "undercover" strain :muahaha: As for now I call it the "cabbage" cause from distance it looks like just like cabbage :rasta:

Back on topic. Take a look at this plant


parfectly normal plant. It's much bigger now. Anyway, since it was started early, I didn't have time to take much clones before transplanting it outside. I managed to take only 2 cuts (cause there were only 2 long enough branches at that time). I f*cked up one, so only one remained, and I gave it to a friend. It also sprouts single leafs now (although it's general structure is good unlike the "cabbage").
The clone had 4 pistils, that are now dried/brown... is this a sign it's going in VEG again?
The mother plant also sprouted some single leafs, here's a pic from a week ago





As you can see it already has mini buds (that's a pic of a branch, the top bud is much bigger but there aren't any single leafs there)... so maybe there is something about that revegging thing. I hope those plants start popping 3/5/7 leafers soon. And as for the "cabbage" I'm really intrigued if this thing can produce buds (hope so).

I probably really forced them into flower, when taking them away from the 18h CFL light and put them under sun, and since sunlight time is now increasing, they're going in vegetative state once more. :bashhead:

Still it would be nice if someone else confirms that revegging is the cause of the "single leaf sindrome", or maybe any other explanation?
 
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Dr.Snow

Member
i've seen the same symptoms on plants infected with thrips. check very closely with magnifier to make sure... they're very small. if you're outside some neem should convince them to find something tastier. good luck
 
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Huey69

You're plants are re-vegging. They started to flower becuase you had them under 18/6 then moved them outdoors in late april when the lighting was still too short. They then realized it's no time to flower yet, hence the re-vegging. My plants are doing the same thing, just now starting to really re-veg and get back into growing up.
I've noticed that when re-vegging you'll get a few single bladed leaves here and there, then get the curled leaves in several spots, then it starts to really spit out single-bladed leaves.
 

MynameStitch

Dr. Doolittle
Mentor
Veteran
I never seen plants do that from changing light cycles...

But will say single bladed leaves means the plant was taken from near the top part of the cola when it was cloned.

I have seen mutation many times when taken single bladed clones.....

It's caused by the plant trying to grow and gets confused.

Did this happen to all the single bladed plants?
I had single bladed plants later curl, produce little sickle shaped leaves and curl just like that, there are many factors that can cause this, strain is the biggest...... and enviroment it is in.... single bladed clones are not stable and can do many things, the stems never get woody enough and get stretchy and it's also like the end of a gene code..... where when you clone it, random things can happen, if the strain is not stable it will be more like to show it when taking clones.
 

Cali smoke

Member
spiral said:
Somehow the plant started flowering maybe when you put them outside. It'll take awhile but the leaves will start growing normally. 1,3,5 etc...

I agree with spiral here, I've had this happen to me when taking clones late in flower.

if you keep vegging them, they will eventually start growing regular offshoots that you can clone for a normal mother.
 
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thc43

Active member
Veteran
agree she/ he is just head f%^ked or confused hasnt adjusted to light cycle, now outside we are between seasons where u are rite. ifso going from 18/6 indoors to say 14/10 outside with day light hours increasing not decreasing in light hours would cause some sort of reveg effect. mi2c

feed well ready for a long veg/ summer.
 

moonunit

Member
1 fingered leaves are almost always the first new growth on a reveg plant, especialy sativa influenced plants. I know this through the experience of 100s of reveges, changing the photoperiod from 12/12 to 18/6-24/0.
much respect
Moonunit
 
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