Since the coco crew won't help me

[Caligrown]

I figure I might try here

OK so, These are clones. They have been in solo cups under flouros for about 10 days. I transplanted to 2 gallon mesh bottom pots with 50% coir dust and 50% chunky Perlite yesterday. They were all well rooted. I had to keep them pretty dry to get them to catch new roots in the cups otherwise I found that I was drowning the root system.

They started out with just le RhizoToniks and then after a bit I added in .8 EC of Canna coco A+B.
I am currently running tap water in my resi at approx. 70ppm (.5 conversion) + 1tsp Cal-Mag/Gallon (approx 250ppm) + Superthrive (recommended dose) + Canna coco A+B (approx 250ppm)

The Cal-Mag is just to season the coco but as I write this I am thinking that the B-Cuzz coir dust is already buffered huh? I should probably freshen up the resi without the Cal-mag today.

I just transplanted so I figure I should not overwater the coir dust until the girls catch roots in their new pots. Right? Maybe once every 2 days?

Temps = 65f-70f night/ 77f-82f day.
Humidity = 65%-70% day/ 70-75 night.
PH = 5.8


Here is table 1 with cuts from the Black Diamond mother.



Here is table 2 with cuts from 4 different strains that the dude I got them from didn't label



and a pic of the setup with the lights hopefully a safe distance to start



Finally a couple of shots of yellowing/chlorosis. This is happening to all my plants including my moms when I bring them in from the flouro veg area. Are they just hungry?








Peace and love - Cali

 

[Legit_User]

I think the coco is locking up your macro nutes.
What is your PH runoff?
Looks like a combination of a iron and MG problem.
I had the same problem 3 times in a row before i gave up. I never could fix it. My PH was always too high and flushing a Coli. was a hard thing to do.
If I were you I would flush 3x the amount of water to container size with the last 1/3 of water having 1/2 strength nutes and calmag.
You need to be at a ph of 5.8-6.3, it varies according to who you talk to.
Coco is loaded with potassium and inherently locks out mag.
You really can't over water with coco and as coco dries out it's ph shifts.
Stay peaceful

 

[Blackvelvet]

Perlite has a high ph to start. You should really flush it at planting to remove flouride. You should be using around 8 ml of both a and b canna coco per gallon of water. You should not need cal mag plus. This will give you 121 ppm nitrogen. Your aiming for maybe 100 on young plants and increase this to 150 on more mature plants. Adjusting the ph after mixing the ferts into the water is a must. At flower, growers add pk 13/14 to the fert water. You may need extra mag if you do this. 1/4 teaspoon epsom salts per gallon of water will give you 30 ppm mag and is a common rate to add.

 

[Caligrown]

I think the coco is locking up your macro nutes.
What is your PH runoff?
Looks like a combination of a iron and MG problem.
I had the same problem 3 times in a row before i gave up. I never could fix it. My PH was always too high and flushing a Coli. was a hard thing to do.
If I were you I would flush 3x the amount of water to container size with the last 1/3 of water having 1/2 strength nutes and calmag.
You need to be at a ph of 5.8-6.3, it varies according to who you talk to.
Coco is loaded with potassium and inherently locks out mag.
You really can't over water with coco and as coco dries out it's ph shifts.
Stay peaceful.

Thanks for your time Legit. I have to ask though.. If you couldn't fix the problem why do you think your advice would work for me? Again no disrespect I just wonder if you reasons you didn't say?

Perlite has a high ph to start. You should really flush it at planting to remove flouride. You should be using around 8 ml of both a and b canna coco per gallon of water. You should not need cal mag plus. This will give you 121 ppm nitrogen. Your aiming for maybe 100 on young plants and increase this to 150 on more mature plants. Adjusting the ph after mixing the ferts into the water is a must. At flower, growers add pk 13/14 to the fert water. You may need extra mag if you do this. 1/4 teaspoon epsom salts per gallon of water will give you 30 ppm mag and is a common rate to add.

Thanks BV

Freshened up the resi on Friday with just tap and Canna A+B at 680ppm(1.36 EC) PH 5.9
Plants are growing moderately but no improvement in the yellowing. Watering daily for 6mins.


How many .5 ppms is 8ml? Better yet what EC?

Ph is not drifting at all. It sits at 5.8-6.0 depending on where I set it.
70 gal resi makes that pretty easy.

Runoff is spot on the resi ph so I can't see that being the problem on this one. Plus these pots with the perlite were flushed like crazy a few days prior to planting.

If its affecting upper growth, its not mag def. Calcium def affects upper growth but burns edges and tips more than chlorosis. Ph is high. Try taking steps to lower ph.

Think it could be Cal? I have some Metanaturals chealated Calcium?

Respect BV -Cali

 

[Ono Nadagin]

:taps foot:


Get back to the coco forum!

And Legit user, the coco is not locking up micronutes.... and if it was it would only be cal/mag and correcting that lock out in coco requires a heavy flushing of just PH's water @5.4-5.5 to correct the PH of the hotspots in the coco where the lockout occured, then the next day returning to the regular nute regime for the clones in question.(that PH causes a lock out everything but the cal/mag iirc and lets the plant uptake what it wasnt getting, after a day they can go back to reg nutes at 5.8)


Some of you might want to check out the coco forum, it is the wave of the future... coco has too many +s and too few negatives for everyone not to use in my opinion... either as a complete soiless medium or as an admendment to s soil grow.

 

[Blackvelvet]

Think it could be Cal? I have some Metanaturals chealated Calcium?

No. Like I said ...calcium def burns edges and tips not chlorosis. Looks like a micronutrient problem.

 

[Blackvelvet]

Try not watering everyday. Water when dry. Roots need oxygen. Micronutrient disorders sometimes occur with overwatering.

 

[Breezy420]

It's very hard to overwater coco, and I doubt that this is your problem. Coco isnt like soil, whereas you do not want to let it dry out.

 

[Legit_User]

I was dealing with 40 cubic feet of Coco and perlite in a coliseum. I couldn't get it flushed.


Ono--It's a micro-nute problem. My advice is sound.

Stay peaceful

 

[bergerbuddy]

:taps foot:


Get back to the coco forum!

And Legit user, the coco is not locking up micronutes.... and if it was it would only be cal/mag and correcting that lock out in coco requires a heavy flushing of just PH's water @5.4-5.5 to correct the PH of the hotspots in the coco where the lockout occured, then the next day returning to the regular nute regime for the clones in question.(that PH causes a lock out everything but the cal/mag iirc and lets the plant uptake what it wasnt getting, after a day they can go back to reg nutes at 5.8)


Some of you might want to check out the coco forum, it is the wave of the future... coco has too many +s and too few negatives for everyone not to use in my opinion... either as a complete soiless medium or as an admendment to s soil grow.

Do the above... then UP UR CANNA DOSE... 8ml.. is PERFECT for now.. and you will see this problem go away... I have had it b4... just up ur fert to provide whats necessary..

Peace
BB

 

[Guest]

micro and mg/cal lockout caused by...are ya ready for this? Under-watering. If the root system is developed stop thinking this is soil and forget everything you know about growing in soil. Start full on waterings. Pot size you could get by with 1 gal easy. One grower on here has a 3 ft plant in a 12 oz beer cup of coco. I have some in flower in 64 oz big gulp cups. From seed. If you let coco dry out the high potassium levels lock out everything. You WILL need cal/mag. Period. If you don't have a one-2 or 3 part system that does not have it included already, 1 tsp cal/mag per gallon of water is what I use in water to waste. Currently I'm using cns 17 which has cal mag in it.. Plants in flower seem to want a little extra IMO ( and IMO only ).I have seen some growers using tapwater who claim you don't need the extra cal/mag. My tap water isn't the same as what they get, cause I get drastically different results when using and not using it. Also is that the ph of your water going in or out? Also every thread I've seen epsom salts used in coco has ended with bad results. For some reason epsom salts and coco don't work.

Flush them with clear-ex, then start regular nutes immediately.

 

[Guest]

oldpeculiar, dude that avatar fucking rocks, lmfao.

CaliGee, you're getting the same advice from the people who really know coco over here as you were over there. Dude, I'm on my first grow but I'll help you any way I can even if it's just giving moral support, man. I don't know a whole lot but I told you what I did that worked. Seriously, the only way I know to do it is to flush a problem away and start back with what you know won't cause a problem and that's about .8ec of A+B and water pH'd to 5.8.

Let the plants regain a foothold which should take all of, oh let's see.... A DAY! After 4 or 5 days of WATERING EVERY DAY - in your case several times a day to runoff, since ya got that sexy looking drip system, hehe, look at the plants to see if you think they can handle more food and up the A+B .2-.3ec and do the same thing again after a few more days. At the point the plants start showing a little nute stress, leaves a really dark green ease back .2 ec and hold it for a while to see how they'll settle in.

Man, I'm someone who likes to keep it simple and coco makes it about as simple as it can get. Only thing you're doing that I can't relate to is the Perlite. Don't know a damned thing about it. Shouldn't change things too much though, at least not in a negative way, but I'm not sure.

I've been busy lately trying to catch up on things I've neglected and sorry I haven't paid attention to the forums like I was. My wife was showing some signs of neglect. Ya know, she had that droopy look just like my plants did when I repotted. Perked right up when I watered her though, lol, hehe.

Anyway, get back to the fucking coco hacienda where you belong. We're a misunderstood group and nobody can misunderstand and neglect you as well as we can, hehe. Besides, gaius has been moping around, all out of sorts and shit. He hates it when one of his fucking babies wanders off. Now quit acting like a fucking baby and come home, asswhipe, lol. We miss ya - well I don't but everybody else does, flol.

Peace out commiefornia kid

PS - Anybody else that wants to come take a look is welcome. We're a pretty house broken kinda group. Lift the lid when we piss, don't shit on the floor (unless we're too stoned to fucking find the bathroom, but everybody has that problem, right?), we even put the toilet seat back down if they're any ladies that want to bee bop over. Gonna have to talk to gaius about his hygiene problem if the ladies start showing up though.