Sickly Leaves...Whats Wrong?

[jujubebe420]

Most of this is occurring on the bottom 12 inches of the plants. They are also still have this overall droop look to them.
I am using half the recommended amount of nutrients and i water every third day.
Temps are 75-80 during lights on, 65-70 with lights off.
Leaves are weak, they fall off just by touching them and LOTS of them are starting to fall off within the last three days.
The big fan leaves on the bottom show these signs of necrosis first, then it goes to the other little ones.
And also notice the yellowing of veins and base of leaf near stem.

 

[ganjaLeaving]

Hi jujubebe420,

First, welcome to IC. You need to have two posts to upload pics.

Sounds like you are underfeeding OR overwatering. The "droop look" indicates overwatering.

Try to upload a photo and people will help you.

Good luck

 

[MynameStitch]

Can you answer some of these questions since you can't upload the pics yet?

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?

 

[jujubebe420]

Reply

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Ok thanks for the info, ill try to get some pics up soon as i can.

 

[MynameStitch]

Looks like a possible Iron issue going on; sulfur tends to start on the top part of the plants but when it yellows from the petioles to the front of the leaves and is not on the top part of the plant then it can be an iron issue.....
From the looks of the rest of the pics it looks like some possible pH issues going on and you may have some possible lockout/nutrient burn issues and the plants may have some moisture stress related issues going too.

Can you fill out the questions I asked so we can help you get the problem fixed?

 

[BigAl]

You is underfeeding your plant.

 

[jujubebe420]

What STRAIN are you growing?
Top 44

What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
Seed

What is the age of your plants?
3 months old

How Tall are the plants?
5 1/2 feet - 6 feet

What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
14th day of Flowering

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
None, i dont think.

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
One plant to a 4 gallon pot.

What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
Fox Farm Oceanic, not sure about percentages.

What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
General Hydroponics, FloraMicro, FloraGrow, FloarBloom.
Half dosages, once every other watering.

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
Not Sure

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
Haven't tested the run-off for ph
Soil was tested between 6.5-7

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
Chemical Solution

How often are you watering?
Once every two days.

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
2 Days ago, once a week normally.

What size bulb are you using?
2x 250 watt MH

What is the distance to the canopy?
4 inches

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
45-60%

What is the canopy temperature?
80

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
75-85 Daytime, 65-70 Nighttime

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Not Sure exactly

Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Somewhat

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
It was...

Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Hard

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Yes Cloned and Pruned

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
No

Are plant's infected with pest's?
No

 

[MynameStitch]

What exact dosages with how much water are you using of each one?
You using RO water? tap?

Chemical solution pH testers are crap; I would get a pen or some ph test strips......
4 gallon pot and it's 6 feet tall? I had a plant like that and it was hella root bound.....

But I think that is only part of a problem, you may need to increase your dosages; depending on the amount you are using for a plant that size they need more nutrients...

 

[jujubebe420]

First off... Thanks for your help MynameStitch i really appreciate this..

Now for the Nutrients lets see...

FloraMicro - 5-0-1: I use 1tsp per gallon of water
FloraGro - 2-1-6: I use 1/2 tsp per gallon
FloraBloom - 0-5-4: I use 1 1/2 tsp per gallon

There are four plants and i only use one gallon of water to water all of them.
I use regular tap water after i let it sit out for 24 hours or more.

 

[MynameStitch]

dude, you gotta water your plant more; 6 feet tall plants need run off everytime you water them; I would use nearly 2 gallons of water on my trees if not 1 1/2 gallons everytime I watered...... they are not getting enough from your watering you are not giving them enough water and thus not getting enough nutrients.


How many plants you got?

There is no way they are getting enough with the small amount of water you are giving them.....


your nutrients you are using should be fine, just beef up the amount of water and use 1 1/2 teaspoon of micros per gallon

 

[jujubebe420]

So how much runoff are we talking here, just enough so fill the tray liner completely or just a slight amount of run off?

I used to water these guys everyday, i would do one day of regular water then another day of nutrient water. Well i kinda thought that was to much water so i dumbed it down to watering them every 2nd or 3rd day alternating days of nutrients (water one time nutrients the next watering). I was using this watering regime since they started pretty much. Could this have had some adverse side affects and do i still need to water them more water when i do feed them.

Ive also had other people tell me that im WAY over watering them, im so confused. But i think im gonna go with what you tell me, let me know if this new information changes what you told me in your last post. Thanks again.

 

[MynameStitch]

enough to fill the liner but not overflowing; the trail should have enough run off at the bottom, just not dripping out but you know a little coming out.

If drips are coming out and that is it, it still needs a little more, probable about 2 to 3 oz of run off will be good enough.

Ya, the reason why you used to water everyday is because they were rootbound; I had to do the same with my trees I had to transplant 4 weeks into flowering from a 5 gallon pot to a 10 gallon pot.

I got so sick of having to water her every day like that 2 gallons of water a day is what she took; If I did not she would wilt.

I would feed them every 6 days, they need fed a little more when they are this size.....
If your plants stop flowering and look like they are not growing anymore in the middle of flowering; you will have no choice but to transplant her into a bigger pot....

Only do that if it's the last option, because transplanting in flowering can be tricky with that size of a plant; it took 2 people to do it......
me and my boyfriend.

Well, ya I see why people say you are over watering them, but the size of the plant and the pot size tells me differently and I have a lot of experience growing trees; so trust me you are not over watering them. normally you are supossed to have 12 in tall plant to a 1 gallon size pot minimum; that is the smallest pot you can have safely without having problems...... say your plant is 6 feet tall; that would be 72 in tall which means your plant should be in a 6 gallon size pot minimum.

So she is rootbound; rootbound plants need more water. If you want; lift that plant up out of the pot a bit and check the roots; it won't hurt cause that plant has rooted the whole pot and you won't have to worry about it ripping roots. If you want to do that, squeeze around the pot a bit to get the soil unstuck from the pot so you can lift the plant right out, or put the pot on its side and squeeze it and slide out the rootball while the pot is on it's side; this is how I had to transplant, I transplanted it on it's side so no weight was put on the plant and it's rootball,

If the plants roots are twisted around and around at the bottom and sides, it's rootbound.



You don't see many people here growing trees in soil; when they get rootbound like that there is a lot of roots and the soil will not be able to hold in as much moisture because the amount of the root mass which causes it to dry out quicker; the plant will absorb so much of the water when you water that there is not much there to keep the roots moist enough. That is why they wilt when they are rootbound; not to mention when they are rootbound nutrient absorption is cut and is harder for the plant; which is again why I say to transplant if you have too; if your watering the plant and the dosage of nutrients I gave you does not help, you will HAVE to transplant to fix the problems.

 

[jujubebe420]

OK so i just checked out my plants out to see if they were rootbound and all that they have are a bunch of fine white roots around the out area of the rootball so i dont think i am root bound but they were really really dry and i watered them yesterday. So i soaked them until i got drainage out of the bottom. Im gonna water them again tommorrow night with nutrients adding more micro nutrients and i will see how they turn out.

 

[jujubebe420]

Wilty Plants

Wilty Plants

These are some pictures of one of my plants that are wilting like crazy. It has been doing this since i planted it pretty much. This plant is also a hermie, which i pretty much found out today. What are some possible reasons for this. And i was wondering if you can take cuttings from a feminized seed. Thanks.

 

[MynameStitch]

Don't water her everyday...... does she wilt if you don't water her everyday? Like she is under watered? IF so then YES you are rootbound; the plants need more space; can you take a picture of the rootball?

 

[jujubebe420]

Pics Of Rootball

Pics Of Rootball

I wont be able to get pics of the rootball until tomorrow because they are in their dark phase right now. But i will get them first thing in the morning and i will get pics of all my plants root ball.

 

[jujubebe420]

Ok so i went to take pics of the rootball but the soil is still wet from last night so im going to wait until tomorrow to let the soil dry out but the pics will be coming soon.

 

[jujubebe420]

ROOTBOUND!! HOLY CRAP!

ROOTBOUND!! HOLY CRAP!

After long last i finally got some pics of the rootball and im not to pleased.....





These two are from one of the healthier looking plants.(above)






These two are pictures of the sickly looking plant with droopy leaves.....(above)


I think i have a problem....

 

[MynameStitch]

ya, it's called being rootbound, Told ya they were!
Get them out of there pots and into bigger ones......

When you do get them into bigger ones you won't need to water like you are now, well I mean like every day or every other day, you can stretch them out a little longer like every 3 to 5 days depending on how big the pot is.....

If you up it 1 gallon size you can stretch the watering to every 3 days

Your issue surrounds the plants being rootbound, because when they are rootbound they are not happy..... so get them into bigger pots and they will be a lot more happier

 

[jujubebe420]

Ok, im going to put them into some 8-9 gallon pots. Think that will be enough or can i go a little less than that because they are already into their third week of flowering and dont have much time left?